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Natsuki
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.11 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ifni In normal time, I would have trouble raising 100m, let alone 2bil.
Also;
Make Faction Medals. And ships.
well there are medals already, I just hope they are going to be given out to the old winners too :P -----------------------------------
btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai |
Bobbechk
Spontaneous Defenestration
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Posted - 2007.07.11 15:47:00 -
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Edited by: Bobbechk on 11/07/2007 15:49:42
Originally by: Ifni In normal time, I would have trouble raising 100m, let alone 2bil.
Also;
Make Faction Medals. And ships.
OH yeah faction ships would be awsome!... hmmm wait isnt there already loads of them?
well to the topic, sound great lots of nice options out there
5 Hurricanes ftw!
no wait! Maulus's and griffins ftw!
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Vanakov Mek'lanavar
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.07.11 18:29:00 -
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This all seems a bit 'low key', GM Nova, may I suggest:
1. You update your original post with the info now supplied on page 6 2. A post is made on the Events channel 3. A news item is put on Player News
good luck with the tourney War is a conflict that determines not who is right -- but who is left. |
DHB WildCat
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.07.11 22:00:00 -
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The new rues are great, but the prices are BS. I mean really! Just one of the Corvens sold for like 180 bil or something stupid like that. This is just stupidity. The alliances in this tournament dont NEED ISK. Prizes should reflect the hard work through the tournament, not something you can buy over the internet.
Bravo
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Sli'co Scoser
Gallente World Order The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.07.11 22:12:00 -
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Will this be a Fri/Sat/Sun tournament over 2 weekends like the last tournaments, or could matches take part on Mon-Thurs? Those who may need to take work off to participate/watch would like to know as soon as possible.
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Ifni
Applied Eugenics
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Posted - 2007.07.11 22:48:00 -
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It's a Fri/Sat/Sun over two consecutive weekends.
You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough. |
Ifni
Applied Eugenics
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Posted - 2007.07.11 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Natsuki
Originally by: Ifni In normal time, I would have trouble raising 100m, let alone 2bil.
Also;
Make Faction Medals. And ships.
well there are medals already, I just hope they are going to be given out to the old winners too :P
And presenters plspls
You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough. |
Ephemeral Waves
The Nine Gates Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.07.12 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: GM Nova We will use EVE voice if possible.
Get real. None of the people even remotely interested in this tourney are going to be using EvE Voice.
Set up a TS or Vent server like a real alliance does.
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Sli'co Scoser
Gallente World Order The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.07.12 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ifni It's a Fri/Sat/Sun over two consecutive weekends.
Thank you very much.
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Pokerizer
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.07.12 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 12/07/2007 01:27:13 The new rules are great, but the prizes are BS. I mean really! Just one of the Corvus sold for 180 bil or something stupid like that. This is just stupidity. The alliances in this tournament, DONT NEED ISK. Prizes should reflect the hard work through the tournament, not something you can buy over the internet. divided amongst the 10 pilots, assuming I read everything right, each guy gets 1.8 bil? As soon as I pod them with thier 2 bil implant sets, then they actually will lose isk even though they may win the tourny....lmao
Bravo
OMG back to the isk, dont you have enough shiny toys? :P
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Ambo
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Posted - 2007.07.12 07:26:00 -
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Hi, I'm somthing of an outsider here but I enjoyed watching the last tournament and was looking forward to this one.
Now I may be wrong here but it seems to me as if very little thought and preperation is going into this from the organisers. There are a ton of legitimate questions in this thread that seem to have simply been ignored.
I'm not even going to bother restating them all because it seems they won't get answered here.
Maybe there is lots of info going to the signed up teams behind the scenes but from this thread it seems that there is very little thought going into this at all, are the organisers subtly trying to kill it off or somthing?
I hope I'm worng and I hope it'll be as fun to watch as the last ones but the apparent lack or information and organisation is worrying.
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.12 09:14:00 -
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These prizes humiliate and demean us all. 18 billion? What the hell?
First two had carriers and motherships and CNR's. Then we got unique ships. Now we get... lol? Is this how CCP views the tournament, as a tedious but necessary event that everyone wants to get over with, but hopefully without having to affect the game or think much about it? Because that's how it looks.
You can make this grand and spectacular, or you can make it low-key and uninteresting. It's starting to look like the latter, and my care levels are rapidly dropping because of it.
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gerku
Priory Of The Lemon R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.12 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: gerku on 12/07/2007 11:54:18
Originally by: Tulayia As a participant in last tournament I will give my opinion on the new rules. (This chracter im posting on is not my main)
1. Point system needs to be looked at. There is a big difference between a tier 3 battleship and a tier 1 battleship.
2. Podding allowed. I see many problems with this. Poor alliances will no longer use implants in this tourney. Rich alliances will use implants every round and wont mind losing their pod as they will just replace them. I know I for one will not use my Full crystal set like I did last tournament. I may have 10bisk, but im not willing to just give up my pod and lose 2b isk especially when there is a warp disruption bubble there. Three, people who lose thier ship will have to die or warp out and cant watch the match finish.
3. Why not T1 Rigs? They are pretty cheap no?
4. Not having a player meeting to discuss the rules like last 2 tournaments? Bad Idea. Its like not beta testing a game.
Just my opinion.
/signed
edit:
- tier3bs and faction bs same points
- Tier 2 a bit less and tier 1 a bit more less
- same with tier 2 and tier1 BC
make the point system a big bitter adjust a bit
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Shadow Serpent
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Posted - 2007.07.12 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie These prizes humiliate and demean us all. 18 billion? What the hell?
First two had carriers and motherships and CNR's. Then we got unique ships. Now we get... lol? Is this how CCP views the tournament, as a tedious but necessary event that everyone wants to get over with, but hopefully without having to affect the game or think much about it? Because that's how it looks.
You can make this grand and spectacular, or you can make it low-key and uninteresting. It's starting to look like the latter, and my care levels are rapidly dropping because of it.
/Signed
I am not in an alliance, but if I were in one, I would not even bother with the tournament this year. In all honesty the prizes are a joke. This is suppose to be a prestigious event and winning it means you're alliance is declared the top PvP alliance in the game (until next year's tournament). Where are the prizes to justify this prestigious title? You're giving away a handful of isk, where's the thought process here?
As it's been stated, the prizes in the past were Carriers, Motherships and Elite Faction Battleships. You're handing out 18 billion isk to the winner. Did you ever think that to win the tournament, the winning team most likely would have dished out that amount of isk to begin with? So the most you are going to gain is a few isk unless by some miraculous feet, the winning team only fits T1 fitted cruisers and plugs in no implants throughout the entire tournament.
Also, I totally agree with Pilk, Trevedian and all the others, COSMOS modules should be allowed. They are nowhere near as good as most Officer/Commander mods. Also Rigs should be allowed. Rigs are a part of the game now and have now become a basic fitting for a top notch PvP ship setup.
By the way GM Nova, don't take this personally, but I am going to call you out on something. You were absent from May 25th to July 10th. Not one post, not one word. And then when you do post on July 10th, you tell everyone that the tournament has been rescheduled and will occur in 3 weeks time (2 weeks ahead of the previously scheduled date). As the person in charge or this event, you are accountable to the EVE Player Community and to CCP to give us proper updates, answer questions and provide feedback. You were completely absent for more then 6 weeks. Where is the focus, dedication and organization here? If I were this disorganized in my own job, I would quickly find myself on the unemployment line.
On top of it all, in your July 10th post, you vaguely state that you'd like for everyone to meet you next Sunday on Sisi for a discussion and some test fights. There's no time listed, no location stated, and contrary to what you may think or believe, I don't know of a corp or alliance in game that uses EVE Voice.
I think this needs to be looked at and addressed. What's the point of watching or participating in a tournament when it clearly looks like CCP doesn't care to make it a grand event?
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GM Nova
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Posted - 2007.07.12 17:43:00 -
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Hi all. The rules as they are posted at the start of this thread are NOT final. They may and will most likely be changed.
Regarding COSMOS modules. Some cosmos module will allow pilots to bypass the restrictions on some ships, such as CPU restrictions. The idea was to not have them in as some ships would benefit immensly from them and some ships not at all. We may yet allow them.
Regarding Podding. I do not believe that Implants will be the deciding factor in the tourney and fielding a full set of something may cause players considerable financial loss should they lose them. Pod kills will also award teams with extra points. This means that some contestants may want to fit warp scramblers on their ships and thus lose a bit of tanking capability.
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ookke
Gallente 0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.07.12 18:09:00 -
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Shadow Serpent... I completely agree with you. I mailed [email protected] regarding the same issue, asking for Nova to be replaced by someone else. I suggest everyone else feeling the same way should send a mail too.
To GM Nova: the rules have been "not final" for 6 weeks now, with zero changes. When are they going to get updated?
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.12 19:22:00 -
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Prizes are bull****. You can't seriously give half a trillion isk to the last tournament winners, and then make their prizes worth MORE by never reissuing any more. And the idea of 1.8b per participant (assuming it's always the same ten pilots) doesn't even cover a full set of piwwat 'plants and 5% hardwirings.
Sponsoring looks suspiciously like bull****. Why would I not be sponsored, exactly? Does it matter who I pick? I guess I'll go Amarr, because their women are pretty? I mean, seriously.
Podding is just ridiculous; short of a 'dictor sphere or mobile bubble, you CANNOT catch a pod with anything short of a sensor-boosted 'ceptor, a stupid opponent who doesn't know how to spam the warp button, and lag on your side.
The part of all this that really ****es me off, though? I'll still be there, I'll still be wearing a full pirate set, for every match, as will every other member of my team, right down to the last tech1 pilot. If we take first place, it'll probably be at the COST, AFTER PRIZES of several tens of billions of isk. So I guess what really ****es me off, then, is that I'm stupid for wanting to participate?
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Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. |
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GM Nova
Game Masters
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Posted - 2007.07.12 19:24:00 -
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I do apologize for the lack of replies.
The tourney is scheduled for 31. August whish is more than 6 weeks from now, not 3 weeks. It was moved because EVE TV is to cover a gaming convention in the US at the time it was set to take place.
Next Sunday I would like to meet all of you on the test server at 15.00 hrs for a discussion and for testing of the point system. In the test I would like to use EVE voice.
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New Zim
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Posted - 2007.07.12 20:27:00 -
[199]
Edited by: New Zim on 12/07/2007 20:27:25
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GM Nova
Game Masters
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Posted - 2007.07.12 20:28:00 -
[200]
The following issues need to be addressed and I will do so now.
- No warping inside the arena. This is simply not technically possible. In order to allow the EVE TV client to maintain lock when a target warps requires core programming changes. We do not have the resources to spend. As I have already noted, this is something I really wanted to allow.
- Cosmos that has been allowed for the last 3 tournaments without any problems is now suddenly not allowed. Why? This is still under consideration.
- Rigs have been introduced properly and balanced since last years tournament, why are they still not allowed? Rigs allow ships to excel in certain ways, most notably tanking. We fear that rigs will drag the fights on unnecessarily.
- You implemented drugs, why not allow them in the tournament? Drugs are very expensive and hard to come by. They would give certain alliances that have easier access an unfair advantage over others. Still under consideration.
- the rules mention 8 brackets of 4 teams each, still the total number of alliances says 64, why? Bad wording on my part really. These 32 teams are the one advancing from the preliminaries. The preliminaries can unfortunately not be televised.
- His OP still states the wrong dates for the tournament. Fixed.
We could simply allow everything with no interference. That would actually be easiest on us and would lessen the workload on those involved. However, the championship would become less of a test of skill than a test of wealth and power. Perhaps that is the way to go. Perhaps best would be to allow tech one stuff only. Please tell me your thoughts.
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ookke
Gallente 0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.07.12 20:33:00 -
[201]
Thanks for the reply, better late than never ;)
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BLOOD THIRSTY
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Posted - 2007.07.12 21:12:00 -
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Edited by: BLOOD THIRSTY on 12/07/2007 21:15:13 Nova my only input to you is this.
The rules are up to you and your team. Everyone will have to follow them, and everyone will have the same foothold.
PLEASE ALLOWING PODDING! Nothing would give me greater pleasure to watch Pilk win the tourny but lose ISK cause I podded his ass 8P.
Which brings me to my next point. ARE YOU SERIOUS!!! As stated in the previous point, I can pod someone with a full set of pirate implants and they will LOSE ISK even if they win everything!? Get us some real prizes because that is some of the biggest bull I have ever seen.
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Ambo
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Posted - 2007.07.12 21:25:00 -
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Marvelous.
Thanks for the replys. At least we know that these things are being thought about now. Given 6 weeks to work things out and a few discussions with the players involved I'm sure things will turn out well.
Oh, and I promise I'll donate 100 isk to the winners to bolster your prize fund
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Sli'co Scoser
Gallente World Order The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.07.12 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: GM Nova The following issues need to be addressed and I will do so now.
- You implemented drugs, why not allow them in the tournament? Drugs are very expensive and hard to come by. They would give certain alliances that have easier access an unfair advantage over others. Still under consideration.
Just like the pirate implants that are allowed that drop in certain 0.0 areas and are quite expensive? Either make both drugs and implants illegal for the tourney or allow them. At the very least, drug use has the possibility of disaster for the pilot, whereas pirate implants are always a bonus.
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QwaarJet
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.07.12 22:04:00 -
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Quote: Bad wording on my part really. These 32 teams are the one advancing from the preliminaries. The preliminaries can unfortunately not be televised.
That's new, why are we having prelims?
"Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
Ace Frehley
Minmatar Trinity Nova KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.12 22:32:00 -
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2 bill isk and the reward is 18??
Eh, give some real prices, and you scare away smaller alliances. Btw when is the last day for an alliance to be created if you wanna join? _______________________________________________
Beer, Eve and no shaved babes!!! |
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GM Nova
Game Masters
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Posted - 2007.07.12 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: BLOOD THIRSTY Edited by: BLOOD THIRSTY on 12/07/2007 21:15:13Which brings me to my next point. ARE YOU SERIOUS!!! As stated in the previous point, I can pod someone with a full set of pirate implants and they will LOSE ISK even if they win everything!? Get us some real prizes because that is some of the biggest bull I have ever seen.
That is kind of the point. While allowing implants we wanted to discourage their use by allowing podding.
Another point is this; if podding is forbudden, pilots will not be able to use smartbombs. If smartbombs are out of the picture, Drones become the flavour of the day. I would really like to see at least one disco-phoon.
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SATAN
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.07.12 22:45:00 -
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GM Nova,
First and foremost thank you for this tournament, and the ever changing rules.
My only concerns are the following.
1) The prizes, Is the 18billion if you win the actual isk given for that one match? Or is it the sum collected from every match won up to that point including the final one?
If 18 billion is the total winnings through out the tournament, then I must agree with everyone else here in saying that its a very poor payout compared to the last 3 tournaments.
2) Faction sponsor, Please explain how this benefits the team besides the 1/2 entry fee cost. And are there limitations? Such as only being allowed to fly your factions ships? Will the faction's be giving teams bonuses on their behalf?
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GM Nova
Game Masters
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Posted - 2007.07.12 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN
1) The prizes, Is the 18billion if you win the actual isk given for that one match? Or is it the sum collected from every match won up to that point including the final one?
If 18 billion is the total winnings through out the tournament, then I must agree with everyone else here in saying that its a very poor payout compared to the last 3 tournaments.
2) Faction sponsor, Please explain how this benefits the team besides the 1/2 entry fee cost. And are there limitations? Such as only being allowed to fly your factions ships? Will the faction's be giving teams bonuses on their behalf?
Hello SATAN
18 Billion would be the total accumulated ISK won yes. Note that this is roughly the price of a mothership. Also note that even if a team is not in the top 3 places, it still receives a bit of ISK.
Faction sponsor could grant standings bonus to all members of the alliance, should the team win, and possibly reward the Alliance with some special items benefitting the alliance. (Gurista Deathstar anyone? - possibly)
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SATAN
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.07.13 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: GM Nova
Originally by: SATAN
1) The prizes, Is the 18billion if you win the actual isk given for that one match? Or is it the sum collected from every match won up to that point including the final one?
If 18 billion is the total winnings through out the tournament, then I must agree with everyone else here in saying that its a very poor payout compared to the last 3 tournaments.
2) Faction sponsor, Please explain how this benefits the team besides the 1/2 entry fee cost. And are there limitations? Such as only being allowed to fly your factions ships? Will the faction's be giving teams bonuses on their behalf?
Hello SATAN
18 Billion would be the total accumulated ISK won yes. Note that this is roughly the price of a mothership. Also note that even if a team is not in the top 3 places, it still receives a bit of ISK.
Faction sponsor could grant standings bonus to all members of the alliance, should the team win, and possibly reward the Alliance with some special items benefitting the alliance. (Gurista Deathstar anyone? - possibly)
GM Nova,
Thanks for the prompt responce, but I feel you need to catch up on some real facts in EvE atm.
Motherships, if you can get them are 35 billion plus several have sold for this price and there is no sign of that changing. The last tournament gave each winning participant roughly 150+ billion isk in value of say a Corvus. The one previous to that gave Mothership/carriers, and such. 18 Billion isk /10 is 1.8 billion each, please reconsider changing the isk value to a Mothership if that is what you are judging by. I know for a fact many more would be interested in winning an actual ship, rather than some isk.
Do you honestly think anyone that enters this tournament cares about faction standings? I can honestly speak for everyone I know in EvE when I say NO.
PS. Can you clarify about being sponsored by a faction, is there limitations to it? Its kinda hard to apply and say you want Gallante sponsorship, and then find out that you are only allowed to fly those faction ships.
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