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Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels Solitaire.
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Posted - 2017.07.25 18:31:25 -
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well?
looking at 3.5m thats a 700m increase in a few months. in 2009 it cost 300m, i came back november it was only 900m. how does plex go up 800m in a few months and to a larger degree that it did in nearly 10 years.
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Lura Zara
Worlds Without Boundaries Special Forces
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Posted - 2017.07.25 18:36:47 -
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Matthias Ancaladron wrote:well?
looking at 3.5m thats a 700m increase in a few months. in 2009 it cost 300m, i came back november it was only 900m. how does plex go up 800m in a few months and to a larger degree that it did in nearly 10 years.
The market is run by players with supply and demand. Plex itself is a currency that is used for services. The price will rise and fall as the market dictates. CCP probably does not intend to change how the economy functions in this free form.
If you dont wish to pay that much for plex, Consider a subscription instead.
Keep in mind prices 5-10 years ago are reflective of less ISK in circulation (Inflation) aswell. 300m then, may be 900m now.
The last few months have shown that plex is now worth many services than just game time (skins/multi training/injectors), Increasing its overall value. |
Kosoku
3Ra Syndicate
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Posted - 2017.07.25 18:49:11 -
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I thought Eve market was player driven? What does CCP have anything to do with it? I don't see them getting involved unless there is a glitch going on. |
Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels Solitaire.
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Posted - 2017.07.25 18:50:26 -
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Kosoku wrote:I thought Eve market was player driven? What does CCP have anything to do with it? I don't see them getting involved unless there is a glitch going on. theyre manipulating the markets to skyrocket the prices |
Kosoku
3Ra Syndicate
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Posted - 2017.07.25 18:59:04 -
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Very well, proof please. |
Anna Maria Yolo
Neutron Blaster Solutions
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Posted - 2017.07.25 19:30:54 -
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Matthias Ancaladron wrote:Kosoku wrote:I thought Eve market was player driven? What does CCP have anything to do with it? I don't see them getting involved unless there is a glitch going on. theyre manipulating the markets to skyrocket the prices
cool story bro |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
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Posted - 2017.07.25 19:32:05 -
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Keep in mind, the players in the null sec cartels pay for a month's game time (at least at today's price, who knows tomorrow) in about 6 hours of semi-afk playtime.
The rest of the player base, well forget it.
But you have to understand CCP ONLY cares about the null sec portion of their player base. Their propaganda wing within the cartels will jump on that comment, but CCP's actions for years have proven that statement. |
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
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Posted - 2017.07.25 19:37:03 -
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Lura Zara wrote:The market is run by players with supply and demand. Plex itself is a currency that is used for services. The price will rise and fall as the market dictates. CCP probably does not intend to change how the economy functions in this free form.
Kosoku wrote:I thought Eve market was player driven? What does CCP have anything to do with it? I don't see them getting involved unless there is a glitch going on.
CCP gets involved all the time. Everytime they add an item or mechanic that increases demand. Everytime they do a PLEX sale to increase supply. Everytime they announce a big change that makes players hoard or dump PLEX.
CCP created skill trading. They allow SP farms. They leave huge ISK faucets unchecked. They made the change to granular PLEX. They allow AFK/low effort incomes on a huge scale (multiboxing Rorquals, AFK ratting VNIs, smartbombing BSs, ...). They do nothing against PLEX hoarding.
You could say its the players who ultimately use these tools to unbalance the economy and increase demand for PLEX, but can you really blame them? If you give players the tools to generate huge amounts of ISK with little effort and risk AND a perfect gold item to store/increase value, they will use them! |
Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2017.07.25 21:34:17 -
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2:1 odds that, if a dev responds, it'll be "What we're doing right now is reading, very carefully, all of these posts you, dear capsuleers, are making, so that we can have a firm grasp exactly on what your concerns are. That's what we are doing, and rest assured that we are doing it, and looking into the issue."
Paging CCP Falcon for C/D. |
Ebony Texas
The Knights Armada Sev3rance
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Posted - 2017.07.25 22:44:34 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:2:1 odds that, if a dev responds, it'll be "What we're doing right now is reading, very carefully, all of these posts you, dear capsuleers, are making, so that we can have a firm grasp exactly on what your concerns are. That's what we are doing, and rest assured that we are doing it, and looking into the issue."
Paging CCP Falcon for C/D.
lol falcon has better odds at growing chicken feathers than responding here. lol |
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Cypherous
Liberty Rogues Aprilon Dynasty
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Posted - 2017.07.26 01:20:05 -
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Well considering you can make 180mil an hour in empire killing NPC's you could afford a plex in a single day, ISK is very easy to make :P |
Thomas Lot
Astrocomical Warped Intentions
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Posted - 2017.07.26 14:08:27 -
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You are wrong that we need dev answer... what we need is an ISD to LOCK EVERY THREAD THAT COMPLAINS ABOUT PLEX PRICES!
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Arcelian
Metentis
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Posted - 2017.07.26 16:36:58 -
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Hey, look another thread about plex. I for one am really liking these high prices.
But, seriously, is $15 USD per month really so much to complain about? |
CMDR-HerpyDerpy Hurishima
Debitum Naturae Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.07.27 00:48:26 -
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Arcelian wrote:Hey, look another thread about plex. I for one am really liking these high prices.
But, seriously, is $15 USD per month really so much to complain about? about 26 bucks a month for me because of US to AU conversion still affordable though. |
Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.07.27 03:54:41 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Keep in mind, the players in the null sec cartels pay for a month's game time (at least at today's price, who knows tomorrow) in about 6 hours of semi-afk playtime.
The rest of the player base, well forget it.
But you have to understand CCP ONLY cares about the null sec portion of their player base. Their propaganda wing within the cartels will jump on that comment, but CCP's actions for years have proven that statement.
Even CCP backed down from that figure, as not sustainable, AND carrier ratting requires the pilot to target every ship, its by definition not afk feasible.
2017.07.25 09:34:40Bounty Prizes23,425,931 ISK
thats a typical active subcap solo ratter, and even that is ~50% more than a vni shoots.
You'd need 12 vni's on the go to shoot a plex in 6 hours, and you'd need to do that 12 times, or 72 hours in order to keep the vnis plexed AND then do another 6 hours to come up plex positive.
I'l leave it up to someone that understands rorqs, but by the time we get down to rorqs only, we are beginning to talk about a very small percentage of all nullsec players.
IMO its being driven by injectors, and I imagine injector demand comes from all sectors of space.
I don't actually know why you persistently post stuff that is by and large debunkable. |
Peta Chieve
White Partyhat Headquarters White Partyhat Trading Company
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Posted - 2017.07.27 10:05:55 -
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The prices will eventually stabilize, it may be all over the place right now, however that is due to it now being linked to more services than before. Thereby making it more valuable and likely increasing it's trade volume. Demand is currently high and supply is lagging, once demand slows it will level out.
Proud CEO of White Partyhat Trading Company
We look forward to meeting you.
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Clockwork Robot
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
183
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Posted - 2017.07.27 19:37:15 -
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I'm no market analyst here, but if ITEM costs too much for my tastes or means, generally, I don't buy the item.
And even if I'm a special snowflake, who should have ITEM because I really want it...
If it costs too much for me to afford it... I go without.
So! In conclusion, Stop Whining About PLEX prices.
Accept the things you cannot personally control. |
ISD Stall
ISD STAR
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Posted - 2017.07.29 22:52:54 -
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Matthias Ancaladron wrote:well?
looking at 3.5m thats a 700m increase in a few months. in 2009 it cost 300m, i came back november it was only 900m. how does plex go up 800m in a few months and to a larger degree that it did in nearly 10 years.
CCP Does not interfere with PLEX prices directly. They do however make changes to the game overall that does lead to price changes, not just in PLEX but in all items on the market.
Changes that have increased the price can be something as small as an item re-balance to a new feature like Citadles.
At the end of the day, if the players want the price of PLEX to go down, they need to stop paying high levels for the PLEX.
For example, if no-one is willing to pay more than one billion, the price will eventually drop. It's basic economics.
ISD Stall
Member, STAR & CCL
Interstellar Services Department.
SEE YOU ON THE NEW FORUMS
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2017.07.30 03:26:23 -
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ISD Stall wrote: At the end of the day, if the players want the price of PLEX to go down, they need to stop paying high levels for the PLEX.
For example, if no-one is willing to pay more than one billion, the price will eventually drop. It's basic economics.
Sounds like you are advocating people quit the game. Because that's how it's going to go if CCP keeps a mechanic in place where inflation is so bad that PLEX is the only thing that holds its value.
Look at the buy/sell orders. No one needs to put up a buy for 40,000 PLEX unless it's for manipulation purposes. As long as ISK is so easy to obtain that it's pretty much valueless, the 1% will hoard PLEX and the price will only climb.
That means, of course, that people who can't sub (for many more reasons than they're poor losers) will be forced to find another game to play. In fact, it's already happening.
Mr Epeen
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Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.07.30 16:37:34 -
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why anything should be done? |
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
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Posted - 2017.07.30 17:20:01 -
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ISD Stall wrote:At the end of the day, if the players want the price of PLEX to go down, they need to stop paying high levels for the PLEX.
For example, if no-one is willing to pay more than one billion, the price will eventually drop. It's basic economics.
Sure, it will drop because those same people you are councilling to not play the game will have quit and left, probably forever. PLEX isn't a Battleship or something you can live without - it is requirement for many players who cannot afford a subscription to play the game. Less players equals less demand for in-game PLEX but that isn't good for anyone.
What would be healthy is for players that want the price of PLEX to go down to be buying more PLEX from CCP and selling it to their fellows. More PLEX sales equals more activity in game, and pays the bills for CCP and is thus better for everyone. The trick is for CCP to make a game where players both want and need to buy PLEX from them to sell on the in-game market. While you can blame the players for not buying enough PLEX from CCP, or paying too much for it in-game, it really falls to CCP for failing to deliver an economically balanced game that people want to both play and spend money for PLEX on.
The 8 Golden Rules of Eve
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
3513
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Posted - 2017.07.30 18:00:44 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:ISD Stall wrote: At the end of the day, if the players want the price of PLEX to go down, they need to stop paying high levels for the PLEX.
For example, if no-one is willing to pay more than one billion, the price will eventually drop. It's basic economics.
Sounds like you are advocating people quit the game. Because that's how it's going to go if CCP keeps a mechanic in place where inflation is so bad that PLEX is the only thing that holds its value. Look at the buy/sell orders. No one needs to put up a buy for 40,000 PLEX unless it's for manipulation purposes. As long as ISK is so easy to obtain that it's pretty much valueless, the 1% will hoard PLEX and the price will only climb. That means, of course, that people who can't sub (for many more reasons than they're poor losers) will be forced to find another game to play. In fact, it's already happening. Mr Epeen
True statement. The fact that the null sec cartel members can leverage the massive ISK they get ratting into plex manipulation is a direct result of CCP intervention, specifically creating the ISK machines in null.
The fact that this particular ISD is saying "HTFU", speaks volumes of the direction of the game, which is a downward spiral. |
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues Aprilon Dynasty
323
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Posted - 2017.07.30 21:10:08 -
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Black Pedro wrote:ISD Stall wrote:At the end of the day, if the players want the price of PLEX to go down, they need to stop paying high levels for the PLEX.
For example, if no-one is willing to pay more than one billion, the price will eventually drop. It's basic economics.
Sure, it will drop because those same people you are councilling to not play the game will have quit and left, probably forever. PLEX isn't a Battleship or something you can live without - it is requirement for many players who cannot afford a subscription to play the game. Less players equals less demand for in-game PLEX but that isn't good for anyone. What would be healthy is for players that want the price of PLEX to go down to be buying more PLEX from CCP and selling it to their fellows. More PLEX sales equals more activity in game, and pays the bills for CCP and is thus better for everyone. The trick is for CCP to make a game where players both want and need to buy PLEX from them to sell on the in-game market. While you can blame the players for not buying enough PLEX from CCP, or paying too much for it in-game, it really falls to CCP for failing to deliver an economically balanced game that people want to both play and spend money for PLEX on.
Supply has to exceed demand, pretty simple really, but its not going to be something you easily achieve, hell, the cheaper it becomes the more i'll buy to stock up before the next price increase :P
Buying game time with ISK has always continued to get expensive, i remember buying GTC's from people for 80mil back in the day :P |
Kosoku
3Ra Syndicate
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Posted - 2017.07.30 21:53:12 -
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There is no way supply will exceed demand. Almost every newbie thread have plexing their account as one of their goals.
More and more people want to plex their account because it is considered to be free. So, it's only logical that plex price goes up. |
Aedaxus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
92
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Posted - 2017.07.31 05:37:31 -
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Matthias Ancaladron wrote:well?
looking at 3.5m thats a 700m increase in a few months. in 2009 it cost 300m, i came back november it was only 900m. how does plex go up 800m in a few months and to a larger degree that it did in nearly 10 years.
People buy skill injectors. And they are addicted to it. Not me, I can quit anytime I like. Just need a few more years of learning injected in. Then the prices will probably drop soon. Also, it's not me, it's the other skill-injecting junkies that drive the price up.
CCP has nothing to do with it. It's not that the prices rose from the moment the drake was nerfed.
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