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de Obliviator Preon
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.07.26 02:51:42 -
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Algos is a probably well-known droneboat. As we know, most drone boats have an extra low slot. I am kind of disturbed that Algos does not. Yes, it is a destroyer and, yes it has 6 high slots, but still, it is a drone boat, which most players would expect to have an "extra" low slot. I request support. |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
1474
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Posted - 2017.07.26 04:34:54 -
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Let's go through a checklist
[x] Is a member of the FDU
[x] Flies drone boats
[x] Drone boats are good for the FW plex mechanics (drop drones and afk)
[x] Literally wants more stabs/dps on the algos
[x] Literally asking for a straight up buff to gallente ships
Yeah... nah.
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Boldly Gone
Winfield Star-Tech
Affirmative.
8
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Posted - 2017.07.26 08:59:09 -
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In my dark room at night the screen is the only light I see. So if I accidentally turn to the sun in the system I am, I'm dazzled.
The suns are too bright, I request support.
And yeah, the Algos should be given another low slot AND at least two additional turrets, for the catalyst has 8! |
Neuntausend
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1766
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Posted - 2017.07.26 12:09:58 -
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Give it a Covops Cloak and Bomb launcher as well, while you are at it. |
Memphis Baas
3076
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Posted - 2017.07.26 12:18:19 -
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Nerf the Algos, it has too many low slots. Corax, its missile equivalent, only has 2 low slots. Remove a low slot from the Algos. |
Gneeznow
Ship spinners inc
251
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Posted - 2017.07.26 12:29:26 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:Let's go through a checklist
[x] Is a member of the FDU
[x] Flies drone boats
[x] Drone boats are good for the FW plex mechanics (drop drones and afk)
[x] Literally wants more stabs/dps on the algos
[x] Literally asking for a straight up buff to gallente ships
Yeah... nah.
The likes of you is why these forums are a ghost town |
Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
202
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Posted - 2017.07.26 12:41:13 -
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I fly mostly drone boats. I don't really think the Algos is in a spot where it needs a buff. |
Tristan Valentina
Moira.
Villore Accords
128
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Posted - 2017.07.26 13:46:27 -
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I mean you only get what you ask for right? |
de Obliviator Preon
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2017.07.26 14:05:52 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Give it a Covops Cloak and Bomb launcher as well, while you are at it.
That'd be too much... |
de Obliviator Preon
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2017.07.26 14:07:09 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Nerf the Algos, it has too many low slots. Corax, its missile equivalent, only has 2 low slots. Remove a low slot from the Algos.
There is a difference there, Algos is a droneboat, not missile boat! Plus, that's why Caldari ships are junk. |
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Hallvardr
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Posted - 2017.07.26 14:16:33 -
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pssst - de Obliviator Preon, they were being sarcastic. (ie you got punk'd) |
Fedor Arnoux
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2017.07.26 16:59:46 -
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I like Algos....for a noob like me |
JC Mieyli
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
138
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Posted - 2017.07.26 17:09:51 -
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why would it have an extra low slot
whats so special about drones that they need an extra low compared to other weapons
name these drone boats with extra low slots |
JC Mieyli
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
138
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Posted - 2017.07.26 17:11:00 -
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Boldly Gone wrote:In my dark room at night the screen is the only light I see. So if I accidentally turn to the sun in the system I am, I'm dazzled.
The suns are too bright, I request support.
And yeah, the Algos should be given another low slot AND at least two additional turrets, for the catalyst has 8!
tbf this is actually a valid complaint
space is really bright sometimes i cant even look at parts of it because it blocks out the ui and i cant see a damn thing
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de Obliviator Preon
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2017.07.28 03:42:22 -
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Fedor Arnoux wrote:I like Algos....for a noob like me
Don't say that. Algos is a versatile ship, that many players have used! |
de Obliviator Preon
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2017.07.28 03:43:17 -
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JC Mieyli wrote:why would it have an extra low slot
whats so special about drones that they need an extra low compared to other weapons
name these drone boats with extra low slots
Tristan, Vexor, Myrmidon, etc. |
de Obliviator Preon
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2017.07.28 03:44:18 -
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Hallvardr wrote:pssst - de Obliviator Preon, they were being sarcastic. (ie you got punk'd)
Waht? |
erg cz
ErgoDron
611
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Posted - 2017.07.28 07:35:31 -
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Gallente ships has more low slots cause they are usually armor tanked, not because they are drone boats. Check amarr ships - same picture.
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Marcus Binchiette
Federal Vanguard
I Aim To Misbehave
167
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Posted - 2017.07.28 13:23:00 -
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Algos is in a good place right now. When you look at how the ship performs you'll find that it is very versatile and perhaps the most capable of any destroyer. This is largely due to the 6-3-3 slot layout. 3 slots is a majical number for midslots, as this makes it quite capable. On the contrary to this the 8-2-3 slot layout on a catalyst can be quite limiting.
IMO moving the Algos from 6-3-3 to 6-2-4 would be a bad idea. As this would change the ship from being a well rounded versatile platform to being a eHP/DPS monster which lacks versatility (*cough* Coercer *cough*). The ships versatility is what makes it unique. It's the Trisan of the destroyer world, and IMO, should remain so. |
erg cz
ErgoDron
611
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Posted - 2017.07.28 14:18:27 -
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Marcus Binchiette wrote:
IMO moving the Algos from 6-3-3 to 6-2-4 would be a bad idea..
OP was thinking about 5-3-4, with 5 guns hard points, IMHO.
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Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
204
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Posted - 2017.07.28 15:01:22 -
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erg cz wrote:Gallente ships has more low slots cause they are usually armor tanked, not because they are drone boats. Check amarr ships - same picture.
There's also the fact that Amarr and Gallente are the two "drone" factions (with equivalent Amarr ships having a larger drone hold but Gallente having larger drone bandwidth).
The Dragoon (the Amarr equivalent to the Algos) is 6/2/4 (with messed up turret/launcher setups in the high) with 75m3 capacity and 25m3 bandwidth.
The Algos is 6/3/3 with 60m3 capacity and 35m3 bandwidth.
I personally think changing the Algos to 6/2/4 would be a downgrade. I like where it's at now. |
Serylda Skor
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2017.07.28 18:01:24 -
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the Algos is a destroyer. they are supposed to have low defenses as drawback for pulling high damage against frigates. now, the gallentean droneboats usually have a dual combat role. they dont depend solely on drones for damage and usually have some bonus for their other weapon system.
that, and that gallente as a whole has this style of evenly matched mids and lows which allows them to build shield or armor depending on the pilot's flavor.
amarr droneboats are mainly an EWar platform. they have less weapon hardpoints in order to make space for energy or tracking disruption while depending solely on droneboats for damage. to compensate they can use any other weapon platform but without any combat bonus on it.
since amarr is mostly about heavy plated armor their ships tend to be the most lowslot intensive in the game. and on top of that, their droneboats dont get the same amount of bandwidth compared to Gallente. this is supposedly compensated by having a bit more of space on the bay. but still, more drones on field > more drone storage.
also, the dragoon gets a 4th low at the cost of pitiful 2 midslot layout. which means no web+scram unless you take out prop mod.
the Algos is fine. now. the Dragoon on the other hand. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1709
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Posted - 2017.07.28 19:38:55 -
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de Obliviator Preon wrote:Memphis Baas wrote:Nerf the Algos, it has too many low slots. Corax, its missile equivalent, only has 2 low slots. Remove a low slot from the Algos. There is a difference there, Algos is a droneboat, not missile boat! Plus, that's why Caldari ships are junk.
In that case, maybe we should try to level the field and make drones shoot missiles too.
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de Obliviator Preon
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2017.07.30 02:07:54 -
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Scialt wrote:erg cz wrote:Gallente ships has more low slots cause they are usually armor tanked, not because they are drone boats. Check amarr ships - same picture. There's also the fact that Amarr and Gallente are the two "drone" factions (with equivalent Amarr ships having a larger drone hold but Gallente having larger drone bandwidth). The Dragoon (the Amarr equivalent to the Algos) is 6/2/4 (with messed up turret/launcher setups in the high) with 75m3 capacity and 25m3 bandwidth. The Algos is 6/3/3 with 60m3 capacity and 35m3 bandwidth. I personally think changing the Algos to 6/2/4 would be a downgrade. I like where it's at now.
Put my personal opinion in place, even though Algos is a destroyer class ship, I think, it doesn't require 6 high slots. My decision would be to remove one in order to gain a low slot. |
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
3258
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Posted - 2017.07.30 02:19:23 -
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Scialt wrote:erg cz wrote:Gallente ships has more low slots cause they are usually armor tanked, not because they are drone boats. Check amarr ships - same picture. There's also the fact that Amarr and Gallente are the two "drone" factions (with equivalent Amarr ships having a larger drone hold but Gallente having larger drone bandwidth). The Dragoon (the Amarr equivalent to the Algos) is 6/2/4 (with messed up turret/launcher setups in the high) with 75m3 capacity and 25m3 bandwidth. The Algos is 6/3/3 with 60m3 capacity and 35m3 bandwidth. I personally think changing the Algos to 6/2/4 would be a downgrade. I like where it's at now.
The dragoon highs are fine imo, 3-6 neuts/nos, and if you really want 3 guns or launchers. Its the 2 mid slots that is hard to deal with. There are 4 mods you would really want in those slots, but you can only chose two of prop, scram, web, or cap injector
and anyways destroyers get rather strong bonuses, however they are rather slot limited. I think that is a very intended built in drawback.
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Marcus Binchiette
Federal Vanguard
I Aim To Misbehave
169
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Posted - 2017.07.30 17:28:16 -
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erg cz wrote:Marcus Binchiette wrote:
IMO moving the Algos from 6-3-3 to 6-2-4 would be a bad idea..
OP was thinking about 5-3-4, with 5 guns hard points, IMHO.
Re-reading the OP's post I can't confirm that. I would however make the precautionary note that the Algos is already a strong ship with 6-3-3. Making it 5-3-4 could make it too powerful. Though, more commonly I find the ship suffers from a the lack of CPU. Many of my Algos fits commonly feature downsized guns and a Processor Overclocking Unit. Sometimes also Current Routers as well.
The idea of it having very strong armour tanking goes somewhat against the stated function of this ship.
Quote:The Algos, as is custom with the Gallente, relies on swiftness of action - preferably at a respectable distance - to accomplish its goals. In this it reflects well-honed Gallente values, which include taking independent action without taking forever to wait for a committee decision,
Of all the ships in game none of the descriptive statements is more true than the Algos. It's supposed to be light, fast, hard hitting, and long ranged. The Algos pilot is supposed to be faced with the dilema of choosing between good tank and good DPS - and 3 lowslots kinda goes with that. |
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