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J'Mkarr Soban
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.05.24 14:52:00 -
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It'll take me just as long to fly either of these, and I'm unsure which to go.
I've got all my general missiles skills at 4, wouldn't take long to get T2 rockets/standard.
It would take 7 days to get me onto a small energy spec 4, and maybe another week or so to get the general gunnery skills to 4.
How do you determine which is a better inty? Speed? Damage? Cause what I see with the Crow is the missiles will always hit. But is the damage worse than energy guns?
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Scraqp
Advocates
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Posted - 2007.05.24 14:56:00 -
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speed = crusader
dmg = crow (i think)
advantage is if u got good skills u can perma mwd and still hit the enemy with the crow, which is prolly not the case with the crusader.
if its just for tackling, train the crusader
if u wanna do some nice dmg while going at a high speed crow might be the one u want.
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Aries Acheron
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.24 15:01:00 -
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Getting Caldari Frig V gives you the extremely easy to use, powerful Crow. It's a good dogfighter since you can run your 20/24km Scram and MWD without much cap issue, and hit enemies despite your traversal.
Getting Amarr Frig V gets you the combat Crusader, which is a lot cheaper than the expensive crow, but it's a pain trying to hit things while orbitting with an MWD on. Also, the drain on your cap can be pretty harsh. but you can plate up and take damage.
You also get the Malediction, which has the same slot layout as the crow and tackles a little better due to having better cap and speed. And is also dirt cheap, so you can buy several.
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J'Mkarr Soban
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.05.24 15:12:00 -
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My cap skills are all at 4. I don't have AWU though, and I've a suspicion I'd need it for the Crusader, looking at it a bit deeper. Although the Mal is the sexiest of the lot...
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Tamaara
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.05.24 15:36:00 -
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While not the missile specialist that the Crow is, the Malediction can take advantage of missiles as well. That ship is one of the goals that keep this noob going.
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Camulos Redne
Amarr
No Quarter.
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.05.24 16:43:00 -
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missile malediction :D
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J'Mkarr Soban
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.05.24 19:35:00 -
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But it's only got 2 missile slots 
I'd be better going for a Crow, apart from the slight boost in cap which isn't a big deal.
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Tamaara
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.05.24 19:44:00 -
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Isn't it also the 3rd fastest inty?
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Kruel
Save our Souls
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Posted - 2007.05.24 19:46:00 -
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Maldiction cuz it's sexy. 
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter.
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.05.24 20:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Camulos Redne
missile malediction :D
the malie with 2x standard missle launchers and 2x light beam 2s with aurora and a medium shield extender is a joy to fly, but almost impossible to fit and damn expensive.
Originally by: Snuggly
It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
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Camulos Redne
Amarr
No Quarter.
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.05.24 20:49:00 -
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who cares about damage. Inties arn't about damage they're about tackling. Get a Harbringer for damage or a Ret for anti-inties :P
2 missiles (so you get on the km) 1x cloak (for when you go afk)
1xmwd (gistii or II) 1xdisruptor II, cap booster or sensor booster II
1xCPR, 1xOD II, 1xIS II
2xspeed or mass rigs
orbit at 24k and your out of most nos range. Get an expensive 28k scrambler and you're laughing.
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.24 21:06:00 -
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Sader is a nice 1v1 inty, crow is more all purpose...
I'd say go for amarr inties, crows are expensive, crusader is heavily underestimated.
It's faster than the crow, and can do the magic orbiting out of webrange scrambling just as well while dealing more damage.
Also, malediction is a very nice cheap gang tackler...
LMS crow just has sooooo bad dps, and I kinda like amarr inties, even though I fly the crow myself.
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Nixeh
Gallente
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.24 21:06:00 -
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crusader vs crow = dead crow
crow vs most turret ceptors is an easy kill, as most people fly long range crow, but in general i would go crow
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TheAdj
Minmatar
Phillips Transdimensionals Inc
The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.05.24 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tamaara
Isn't it also the 3rd fastest inty?
Claw is the fastest, Crusader is second.
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J'Mkarr Soban
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.05.24 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: TheAdj
Originally by: Tamaara
Isn't it also the 3rd fastest inty?
Claw is the fastest, Crusader is second.
Is that because of the 4th low slot? Or just naturally?
I'm just thinking mainly about transversal at such high speeds - in a crow you don't have to worry about it.
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.24 21:32:00 -
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Edited by: Ryysa on 24/05/2007 21:31:00
Frig size guns hit fine upto really crazy speeds.
What you forget is, light missiles stop doing damage completely if your target is going more than 5km/s.
And I have target navigation prediction on 5...
This is why crusader eats crow alive.
Also, claw base speed is higher than crusader iirc.
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TheAdj
Minmatar
Phillips Transdimensionals Inc
The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.05.24 21:32:00 -
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Base speed, I wasn't calculating slots, skills, or anything else. Fourth low doesn't help as much as you would think with regard to actual speed, Overdrive IIs have a stacking penalty, better to put on 3 and a Nano II or something else (damage mod/rep).
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.24 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: TheAdj
Base speed, I wasn't calculating slots, skills, or anything else. Fourth low doesn't help as much as you would think with regard to actual speed, Overdrive IIs have a stacking penalty, better to put on 3 and a Nano II or something else (damage mod/rep).
Crusader will be running some CPR's otherwise his MWD will turn off with guns firing, never mind his scrambler.
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TheAdj
Minmatar
Phillips Transdimensionals Inc
The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.05.24 21:37:00 -
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Actually I was talking about a claw, should have cleared that up. I'd imagine someone would be using like cap recharge rigs on a sader, those lasers eat up cap. I'd throw in a couple Overdrive IIs and use my rigs for cap, so you get some speed as well as cap.
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.24 21:39:00 -
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Rather use mass reduction rigs :)
Overdrives get stacking penalized, you can still fit 2x od II, 2x cpr and 2x mass red rigs on sader.
If 2 beta cpr's aren't enough to keep cap going, then possibly drop one mass red rig for CCC...
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Altrex Stoppel
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.05.24 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: TheAdj
Originally by: Tamaara
Isn't it also the 3rd fastest inty?
Claw is the fastest, Crusader is second.
Now add in mass and we discover the Claw is a ****** and is actually one of the slowest...
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J'Mkarr Soban
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.05.24 23:24:00 -
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Ok, I'm getting lost now.
From what I've read here, Crusader is the way to go, because it's faster and does better damage. Which will make me a happy bunny, tbh. Sexy sheep. So what's a good setup then? Preferably one that does over 5 km/s to avoid Crow damage heh.
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter.
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.05.24 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban
Ok, I'm getting lost now.
From what I've read here, Crusader is the way to go, because it's faster and does better damage. Which will make me a happy bunny, tbh. Sexy sheep. So what's a good setup then? Preferably one that does over 5 km/s to avoid Crow damage heh.
ive hunted crows to great success with:
4x dual light beam t2 with aurora (24 km range) carrying a t1 crystal set too
mwd, scram (the more money you dump here, the more fun you will have)
and then the lows:
easiest to fit armor rep, best named cap relay, istab, overdrive
mass reduction rigs.
*warning* above requires advanced weapons upgrades lvl5 and depends heavily on what mwd you use.
I usually like keeping a small armor rep there, for after battles.....but you can forgo it for more speed or cap recharge.
Originally by: Snuggly
It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.25 00:11:00 -
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No point in that armor rep at all imo.
Also, istab isn't needed with ceptor agility...
Imo drop armor rep, fit CPR, drop istab fit another overdrive...
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Ifni
Applied Eugenics
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Posted - 2007.05.25 11:25:00 -
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Crusader > Crow in my opinion.
This is based around price, and my experience. I like a challenge when fighting, so naturally a turret based interceptor was ideal, since you don't have to worry about transversal with the Crow. Additionally, since it is only a minority of pilots who tank their interceptors, the Crusader is perfectly disposed to reap havok against the Crow, due to the primary damage type of long range crystals being EM, and the fact that Crows have no EM resistance to their largest hitpoint buffer (shields)
With 1, or even 2, cap power relays, the crusader can run both guns and microwarpdrive. A corpmate of mine has his own varient, with 4 guns, mwd, scrambler, and 4 cap power relays, and calls it the comedy crusader, simply because even when getting nossed, you generally have enough regen to keep your scrambler going to stop the target warping out.
The Crow is the more user friendly of the two, but is the more expensive, and alot of people find the relatively low dps of the Crow to be inhibiting. Even when I was getting my Crows for free, I disliked flying it.
In a pulse laser close range setup with conflagration s, you can get around 120~130 dps from your guns, although you may find tracking a little hard. Alternatively, the beam setup crusader generally has the speed to keep up with all but the fastest interceptors, and gun do damage out to 24km with aurora s crystals.
Unfortunately, the 2 midslots mean that holding a mwding target can be tough, and it often comes down to skill and your ability to read your opponents moves, than trainable advancements.
Furthermore, the Malediction makes an excellent anc cheap tackler. Similar to the Raptor, but with a significantly higher speed and cap amount, and with improved damage output, the Malediction makes a great fleet support interceptor.
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Montero
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.05.25 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: TheAdj
Originally by: Tamaara
Isn't it also the 3rd fastest inty?
Claw is the fastest, Crusader is second.
Under MWD the sader is the fastest inty.
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2007.05.25 12:45:00 -
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The "orbit outside of web range" is an exceptionally dangerous plan for interceptors fighting other interceptors. One tiny mistake and you're done.
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smallgreenblur
Minmatar
Wreckless Abandon
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.25 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Xequecal
The "orbit outside of web range" is an exceptionally dangerous plan for interceptors fighting other interceptors. One tiny mistake and you're done.
And even for ceptors fighting cruisers. I caught a 4k/s crow in a 1.5k/s rupture once. He wasn't a happy bunny.
sgb
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RossP Zoyka
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Posted - 2007.05.25 15:50:00 -
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If you don't go with a malediction I'll slap yo ass!
It is cheap, tackles swell, does a bit of dps, and has insane cap for an inty.
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