EVE Search - Nerf that cloak!

All Channels

Ships and Modules

Nerf that cloak!

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 :: one page
Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
InnerDrive	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:01:00 - [91] Originally by: Shinigami Edited by: Shinigami on 25/05/2007 14:21:58 (Quickly written while trying to probe a raven.) <- says it all Soo someone not abble to find a cloaked player huh , tough luck. im very much against nerfing cloaking at all. with the huge nerfs u get on bs with a cloak on they are no good at pvp anyways.
Shinigami Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:05:00 - [92] Originally by: Elspeth Vigneron I like this the best of all that I've read. Get rid of the local chat early warning system and the quasi-perfect-detector goes away. Evens things up. It is an ideal solution, but what are the chances of CCP actually implementing it? --- Help reduce lag in eve by supporting the Titans. Screenshots
Shinigami Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:06:00 - [93] Originally by: InnerDrive Originally by: Shinigami Edited by: Shinigami on 25/05/2007 14:21:58 (Quickly written while trying to probe a raven.) <- says it all Soo someone not abble to find a cloaked player huh , tough luck. im very much against nerfing cloaking at all. with the huge nerfs u get on bs with a cloak on they are no good at pvp anyways. Who cares if they are fitted for pvp? The problem is that they can rat in our territory without paying rent. They do so with zero risk. --- Help reduce lag in eve by supporting the Titans. Screenshots
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:59:00 - [94] Originally by: Shinigami Originally by: InnerDrive Originally by: Shinigami Edited by: Shinigami on 25/05/2007 14:21:58 (Quickly written while trying to probe a raven.) <- says it all Soo someone not abble to find a cloaked player huh , tough luck. im very much against nerfing cloaking at all. with the huge nerfs u get on bs with a cloak on they are no good at pvp anyways. Who cares if they are fitted for pvp? The problem is that they can rat in our territory without paying rent. They do so with zero risk. Without paying rent. So on the end u sad what is your prob. everyone should pay because u are part of a big alliance or die. Just in your alliance members should play as they like. others just with your enabling. Such players ruins the game of others. I personly had nothing against BoB, but if all others think so i hope u would be soon defeated and pay rents even for living in EVE
Lamias	Posted - 2007.05.26 07:37:00 - [95] I am all for getting rid of local chat OR giving people the option to appear in it like in most other chat channels. If you want to talk in there, then cool you show up. If you don't want to be noticed as easily, then keep quite and your pic won't show. You still have the scanner, so learn to use it and take the risk of being in lowsec or 0.0 . Local chat is unnecessary, makes 0.0 & low sec less dangerous and causes other problems. In EVE danger = fun.
Markus Aurelian	Posted - 2007.05.26 07:49:00 - [96] Originally by: Damned Force Originally by: Shinigami Originally by: InnerDrive Originally by: Shinigami Edited by: Shinigami on 25/05/2007 14:21:58 (Quickly written while trying to probe a raven.) <- says it all Soo someone not abble to find a cloaked player huh , tough luck. im very much against nerfing cloaking at all. with the huge nerfs u get on bs with a cloak on they are no good at pvp anyways. Who cares if they are fitted for pvp? The problem is that they can rat in our territory without paying rent. They do so with zero risk. Without paying rent. So on the end u sad what is your prob. everyone should pay because u are part of a big alliance or die. Just in your alliance members should play as they like. others just with your enabling. Such players ruins the game of others. I personly had nothing against BoB, but if all others think so i hope u would be soon defeated and pay rents even for living in EVE perfectly stated. its not invulnerable because they still have to decloak to make money. so if you want to stop people from farming your systems than perhaps you should actually have a presence in that system. if you dont have sov and a permanent presence the space shouldnt be yours anyways. 0.0 is supposed to be lawless, not risky. if you cant handle someone being a squatter, well thats just too bad aint it. they shouldnt be forced to join your alliance to have access to good rats and belts that you claim. if you cant catch them then your claim isnt all that strong. cloaks arent the i win button for 0.0, and they have serious drawbacks when fitting them.
Mudkest MetaForge Ekliptika	Posted - 2007.05.26 08:00:00 - [97] Originally by: Shinigami - Cloaking devices now require fuel to operate. (I suggest heavy water.) - Activation of the cloaking device uses around 80 - 100 fuel. - After activation the cloak uses 1 fuel per minute. - This only applies to the prototype and improved cloaks. The specialized Covert Ops Cloaking Device II should not be changed. In other words the Covert Ops and Recons would stay the same. big hit for stealthbombers ...
Mudkest MetaForge Ekliptika	Posted - 2007.05.26 08:03:00 - [98] Originally by: Shinigami Originally by: RuleoftheBone Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 25/05/2007 04:36:55 Did you get the Raven?? No I landed 10km away from him when the huge lag spike hit. He logged out and I spent 5 minutes trying to deactivate my cloak to launch a probe. no comment O.O
smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:56:00 - [99] Edited by: smallgreenblur on 26/05/2007 10:54:56 Originally by: Markus Aurelian Originally by: Damned Force Originally by: Shinigami Originally by: InnerDrive Originally by: Shinigami Edited by: Shinigami on 25/05/2007 14:21:58 (Quickly written while trying to probe a raven.) <- says it all Soo someone not abble to find a cloaked player huh , tough luck. im very much against nerfing cloaking at all. with the huge nerfs u get on bs with a cloak on they are no good at pvp anyways. Who cares if they are fitted for pvp? The problem is that they can rat in our territory without paying rent. They do so with zero risk. Without paying rent. So on the end u sad what is your prob. everyone should pay because u are part of a big alliance or die. Just in your alliance members should play as they like. others just with your enabling. Such players ruins the game of others. I personly had nothing against BoB, but if all others think so i hope u would be soon defeated and pay rents even for living in EVE perfectly stated. its not invulnerable because they still have to decloak to make money. so if you want to stop people from farming your systems than perhaps you should actually have a presence in that system. if you dont have sov and a permanent presence the space shouldnt be yours anyways. 0.0 is supposed to be lawless, not risky. if you cant handle someone being a squatter, well thats just too bad aint it. they shouldnt be forced to join your alliance to have access to good rats and belts that you claim. if you cant catch them then your claim isnt all that strong. cloaks arent the i win button for 0.0, and they have serious drawbacks when fitting them. Actually that's a load of rubbish. As stated many times in this thread the problem is with people running 3rd party programs that allow them to go afk and continue ratting, however when somebody enters the system they are automatically warped to ss and cloaked. 0.0 is about risk vs reward. It's not about no risk vs big reward. sgb
Shinigami Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.26 11:04:00 - [100] Originally by: Markus Aurelian cloaks arent the i win button for 0.0, and they have serious drawbacks when fitting them. You mean the small targeting delay? Hardly a serious drawback for a macro ratter. --- Dianabolic speaks about BoB's developer relationship. Lag Killer
Harris Warspite Developments Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.26 11:11:00 - [101] Firstly, I'm not sure that I agree that they need nerfing, but that is because I don't have cause to be frustrated by cloaking NPC'ers. I've come across them but que sera sera and all that. However, if it were to be implented then how about rather than fuel, they use capacitor instead with a bonus to covert-ops class ships (including stealth bombers of course). (if it's been mentioned already, sorry but didn't read past first page) You then have no need to modify the cloaks themselves which are moderately balanced as it is. You would however have to have some sort of value that would apply to each ship class to balance the amount of cap used which is no big deal if fuel had to be used.. same consideration. It would be appropriate by way of the fact that bigger ships could be considered to use more capacitor (power) to cloak anyway.
Gee Lok	Posted - 2007.05.26 11:48:00 - [102] Originally by: NIkis And 'nerf logoff' ? you lot are starting to sound like those junkies with a needle in their arm 24/7. Theres no reason to further nerf logoff now that scanning time (with the proper skills) is comparable with the time a ship vanishes. I was about to agree with someone who said nerf logoffski first, you are right.
NIkis Minmatar W33D Corp. O X I D E	Posted - 2007.05.26 17:52:00 - [103] Originally by: smallgreenblur Actually that's a load of rubbish. As stated many times in this thread the problem is with people running 3rd party programs that allow them to go afk and continue ratting, however when somebody enters the system they are automatically warped to ss and cloaked. 0.0 is about risk vs reward. It's not about no risk vs big reward. sgb Actually what you claim here is a load of rubbish. If the bit about third party programs is true, those are the problem, not cloaking. I smell BS tho. And the bit about BOB not being able to defend its own 'claimed' space is laughable... looks like you guys have too much space for your needs. Care to give some back ?
Markus Aurelian	Posted - 2007.05.26 18:02:00 - [104] Originally by: NIkis Originally by: smallgreenblur Actually that's a load of rubbish. As stated many times in this thread the problem is with people running 3rd party programs that allow them to go afk and continue ratting, however when somebody enters the system they are automatically warped to ss and cloaked. 0.0 is about risk vs reward. It's not about no risk vs big reward. sgb Actually what you claim here is a load of rubbish. If the bit about third party programs is true, those are the problem, not cloaking. I smell BS tho. And the bit about BOB not being able to defend its own 'claimed' space is laughable... looks like you guys have too much space for your needs. Care to give some back ? exactly. if you dont have enough ppl to protect all of the space you claim, then perhaps its not really yours and you should accept that. if you had a permanent presence in these claimed systems, itd be a bit difficult for an npc'er to operate since theyd have to be cloaked all the time to avoid getting hunted down. its not impossible to find someone with a cloak, especially if theyre stupid and warp to SS that has say, cans anchored, or another ship. the problem isnt the behavior of most people using cloaks, apparently the problem is just like macroing. just because a small portion uses 3rd party programs to make money, does not mean you should nerf the cloak for those who use it to say, npc in their own alliance space and avoid that roaming gang of 25 looking for trouble until backup arrives. in other words, the game mechanics are working, but the behavior of some players is not. you want to nerf mining barges in high sec because of macros? sure, itd down their efficiency but probably wouldnt help the system overall.
Kark Shidari	Posted - 2007.05.26 20:41:00 - [105] Seeing as logging out is just as powerful if not more powerful than a cloak, I don't see how fixing cloaks will fix these farmers. They're extremely annoying but like most overpowered things, it's a mix of factors. The Local channel, cloaks, ships which can fight while staying aligned, the way belt rats work/respawn (an integral part of the game), and logoffs (IE, agro timers not being set by NPCs). I am also very suspicious that certain entities sanction the farmers, KoS for instance. Farmer Ravens are easy to kill when they are traveling. Often times they don't even use a scout, and they never put up a real fight. If 0.0 alliances stopped supporting them, their business would probably dry up. Cloaks are an interesting "problem" but I hate the current nerf calls. They are being justified by citing a problem which isn't really rooted in cloaking in the first place.
Blaxxor Tri Optimum Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.05.26 20:50:00 - [106] Cloaks are fine. If you dont like the ISK-farmer then camp him with an ALt use a cloak to. We have done this with a beatrice corp Guy, he lost 3 Raven.We needed 3 Days but just for fun because we like killing ships. IF you camp him he has 3 Options : 1 stay cloaked , 2 logg out , 3 go out of system. Follow him ,camp him if he decloak and hunt move a pvp-ship to System tackle him with the alt and warp the HAC , RECON wathever in ... Problem solved. Cloakes are fine !
pandymen Caldari Red Dwarf Mining Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:02:00 - [107] Edited by: pandymen on 26/05/2007 22:01:19 I have another solution to the rent-free isk farmer problem.....actually have people ratting in your belts. What? This isn't possible because you have wwaaaayyy more belts than you have players to rat them? Well, then too bad. Honestly, many sov 0.0 systems are empty or have 1 or 2 people in them. You obviously aren't having a shortage of belts to rat, and the isk farmers obviously aren't ratting in belts frequented by your players. Otherwise, they would be stuck in their safespots for the majority of the day and they wouldn't be ratting at all. I retract my earlier proposed solution to the cloaking problem. If you don't have enough people to populate all of your systems and rat them regularly, then you shouldn't expect to get rent from every person who pops in.
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.05.26 22:02:00 - [108] Edited by: madaluap on 26/05/2007 22:02:14 I dont like the idea though. Basicly the game is getting ruined/nerfed because macro's are ruining the game, if you are still with me. I used to rat in FIX space in 0.0. My vexor had a nos on it, these days i would probably replace that with a cloak. Now that BOB came into that region, why would it be a problem for a player to rat in a 0.0 system, cloaking when a enemy comes near? Why is that bad? Should all people move to empire to do lvl 4, just to make a bit of money. This will remove even more targets. All that just because some macro's nobody gives a **** about are afk npcing. Just petition em and be done with it. Gamebreaking solutions for a minor problem imo. _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Shinigami Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.27 04:15:00 - [109] Take your anti-bob crap elsewhere. It's obvious a lot of you have no experience with the instacloaked farmers. The problem does exist, and I challenge you to come up with a solution that does not involve camping the system for hours hoping the farmer might give up and leave. Or just tell me why we should be forced to rat in order to secure our territory. --- Dianabolic speaks about BoB's developer relationship. Lag Killer
Blaxxor Tri Optimum Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.05.27 07:35:00 - [110] There is no Anti-BoB-crap , to place an alt in a Assfrig cloaked with 2 Scrambler in System is easy. You havent to hope , the Farmer has no other choice then stay cloaked , leave or hunt. You havent to attack him in the same time if he uncloak just to scann his belt an move a taskforce/ship to this system. Sooner or later he lose so to much ships over time and get no isk. You just want CCP to do your JOB ! adapt !
Shinigami Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.27 09:18:00 - [111] Originally by: Blaxxor There is no Anti-BoB-crap , to place an alt in a Assfrig cloaked with 2 Scrambler in System is easy. You havent to hope , the Farmer has no other choice then stay cloaked , leave or hunt. You havent to attack him in the same time if he uncloak just to scann his belt an move a taskforce/ship to this system. Sooner or later he lose so to much ships over time and get no isk. You just want CCP to do your JOB ! adapt ! Wasn't talking to you. But your solution is the same old "wait for hours and hope he decides to do something" idea. Meanwhile he is just running one of his shop's other 200 farming accounts. --- Dianabolic speaks about BoB's developer relationship. Lag Killer
Guma Victims of Confusion Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.05.27 09:27:00 - [112] Edited by: Guma on 27/05/2007 09:29:54 Originally by: Blaxxor There is no Anti-BoB-crap , to place an alt in a Assfrig cloaked with 2 Scrambler in System is easy. You havent to hope , the Farmer has no other choice then stay cloaked , leave or hunt. You havent to attack him in the same time if he uncloak just to scann his belt an move a taskforce/ship to this system. Sooner or later he lose so to much ships over time and get no isk. You just want CCP to do your JOB ! adapt ! /signed Think, before nerf. That's the way it should go ;). Originally by: Shinigami Wasn't talking to you. But your solution is the same old "wait for hours and hope he decides to do something" idea. Meanwhile he is just running one of his shop's other 200 farming accounts. This problem doesn't depend on "people using cloaks to save their a.." This depends on using multiple accounts....in my opinion this is no argument against the cloak!
Lunaz	Posted - 2007.05.27 10:43:00 - [113] I have looked over quite a few "nerf cloak" threads and i have come to the following conclusion. Many posts in this thread are about killing afk isk makers and many posts revolve around the AFK factor. Well I agree that you shouldnt macro kills/mining i really really dont like that and imo they prob deserve to go boom for not actualy playing the game. BUT here is the ultimate question. WHY the hell should everyone suffer just because of those that use the cloak in an afk escape fassion? Everyone shouldnt suffer because of the actions of a select group of others. I will eventualy be training for a cloak mainly cause i think its fun to just mess around with and i am even thinking of using it after i get more skills to throw on a stealth bomber and mission run JUST FOR A CHALLENGE. But if ANY nerfs happen to cloak and i mean any i am gonna say to heck with it and train something else and if this nerf anything that i cant kill or counter with the greatest of ease trend continues i am gonna say to heck with the game as well. Nerfs are one of the best ways to destroy a game. Dont get me wrong it can save/help it too but too eften it just ****es people off. Its true that you cant please everyone but trying to is probably even worse than just leaving things as is and letting people adapt naturaly over time rather than playing around with stuff. Not saying its easy or hey even possible to counter or adapt too but where there is a will there is a way. You may not be able to kil that macro using raven guy who logs or cloaks or both but then again not everyone does it. Sorry if my post seems like an attack to people but i just feel very strongly about the cloak as it is one of my favorite features that i just cant wait to try out. I loved it in E&B and i am going to love it here. However to be fair if anyone would like to give 5 GOOD reasons why the cloak should be nerfed than i will reconsider my stance on this. By good reasons i dont mean the following: To counter afk'ers To counter Macro Users To counter just not being able to find that certain person to kill that happens to enter the space where you are To counter all of the above or a combo of a few i have listed I consider these bad reasons cause not everyone afk/macro plays or wants to be involved in PVP. NOW if everyone tommarow started using a cloak to do those things then fine nerf it but until then leave me and any others that wanna use the cloak in a AT THE KEYBOARD fassion alone and out of the nerf line of sight. Also i do understand the whole if you go to low sec space there should be risk. But wouldnt using macro's like that be a risk in itself ? And if it isnt or if CCP doesnt activly enforce it then it seems to me that THAT is the problem right there. THey should initiate a system by were if a player suspects a person of afk/macro using they submit it to CCP who would then shadow them and see if its true and if it is.... BAN. Its exactly what they do in DAOC another mmo i play. You submit it and a CSR will shadow them completely invisible to where you dont even know they are there and catch em right in the act. Now for those that use it AT THE KEYBOARD and see you come in and cloak and you cant find em well then they are using the cloak as it is designed to be used or one way i should say and thats to hide and avoid confrontation. No one has the right to say oh hey it aint fair he is in low sec and i cant find and kill him. He is using a mod as it was intended in no way breaking the rules UNLESS he is doing it afk/with macro. IN which case refer to my above statement on how to stop it. Again i am sorry if this post seems harsh or aggressive but please understand some of us want to use the cloak for the fun aspect of just being invisible/unseen. Should we suffer as well ??????????
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.27 11:21:00 - [114] I agree 0.0 is starting to have alot of these chinese isk farmers, (it is brutaly obvious with thier atrocious english), there is basicly nothing you can do exept log an alt in that system which prevents them from uncloaking. Originally by: Rawne Karrde PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login. If you don't like it you're in the wrong game.
Cyberus	Posted - 2007.05.27 11:25:00 - [115] I dont think that it good solution m8. Yes they are anoing but tbh i think better CCP give ability to COVOPS ships to find cloakers and show the ship on tactical overview with 20 km range or so as signature. At this point cloaker can aproch and deaclock ship. Thats actualy the purpose of this ship in game. So simple as that. You got the clocking raven in your space? bring Covops and scan him down. It will land on him get in range gang warp dictor deploy buble covops aproch ship deaclok, gang warp in PAWNAGE.
Shinigami Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.27 11:48:00 - [116] Originally by: Cyberus I dont think that it good solution m8. Yes they are anoing but tbh i think better CCP give ability to COVOPS ships to find cloakers and show the ship on tactical overview with 20 km range or so as signature. At this point cloaker can aproch and deaclock ship. Thats actualy the purpose of this ship in game. So simple as that. You got the clocking raven in your space? bring Covops and scan him down. It will land on him get in range gang warp dictor deploy buble covops aproch ship deaclok, gang warp in PAWNAGE. They should just remove cloaks from game before doing this. Your idea makes cloaks worthless. --- snip Do not troll in your signature -Eldo ([email protected]) Lag Killer
Cyberus	Posted - 2007.05.27 11:57:00 - [117] Edited by: Cyberus on 27/05/2007 11:57:17 Originally by: Shinigami Originally by: Cyberus I dont think that it good solution m8. Yes they are anoing but tbh i think better CCP give ability to COVOPS ships to find cloakers and show the ship on tactical overview with 20 km range or so as signature. At this point cloaker can aproch and deaclock ship. Thats actualy the purpose of this ship in game. So simple as that. You got the clocking raven in your space? bring Covops and scan him down. It will land on him get in range gang warp dictor deploy buble covops aproch ship deaclok, gang warp in PAWNAGE. They should just remove cloaks from game before doing this. Your idea makes cloaks worthless. Well dont think so. Lets say seeing cloaked ship its lilbit to much. So what the cloakers can do is the resive new mod what can pinpoint the cloaked ship in range of 20 km. So you scan the ship with probes ( i dont say it will be so simple as with uncloaked ships ) if you got pinned ship warp to location and start looking for that ship ( lets say same idea as ships looking for submarines) This module can be based on chance as well so you cant find by single actiavation but probebly spend some time before you find it. If the cloaker lucky he will get out of range of this module and stay alive if covops lucky he will find you before he get away.
haubnFilter	Posted - 2007.05.27 12:04:00 - [118] you will be able to scan cloakers http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=525843&page=1#26
Balian Bowmaker	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:58:00 - [119] Originally by: Empero Edited by: Empero on 25/05/2007 04:03:07 Or just remove local ;-) Edit: typos Personally, think local should be replaced with "Constellation Chat". This way you would know if enemies were in the general area, but would have to actually do some serious scouting to track them down.
Fluffernator	Posted - 2007.05.27 20:10:00 - [120] i've got a better idea, nerf bob since they are isk farmers and want to nerf isk farmers.

Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.