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Callistus
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.28 17:45:00 -
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Not sure what other people's experience are but I've not had much luck finding these sites with the on-board ship scanner.
As it is it'd be quicker for me to fetch my covops ship, scan with that and then return with my combat ship. Although my testing hasn't been extensive so I could just have got very unlucky with the scans. I've scanned most of the planets in the PF-346 system and found nothing. I could easily have scanned the entire system in my covops, bookmarked any sites and returned in the same time.
What would be useful to know is the density of these sites and exactly what sort of scan strength they have. If I don't find a site at a planet in the first scan does that mean there likely isn't one there or should I rescan repeatedly?
Also currently the scan radius of the on-board scanner doesn't show up in the system-view, which would be useful. --------------
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Helison
Gallente Times of Ancar THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2007.05.28 23:20:00 -
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So far my experiences are quite good, but the count of the encounters is still a bit low.
About their worth: Why are you using mission-NPCs in encounters and not belt-NPCs? Mission-NPCs have less loot and less bounty, but in missions you are also getting reward + LPs. In encounters reward + LPs are missing, so if the ratio of faction-spawns is not high (and I havnŠt encountered one till now), than it would be better to farm Belt-NPCs than scan for Encounters.
A small suggestion for BM-Handling (as exploration sites require the creation of many bookmarks): Please add in the right-klick-menu in space to each BM a option for deleting this BM.
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Gor Kraon
Minmatar Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.28 23:58:00 -
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They are using deadspace rats, like complexes. The chance at commanders would mean a chance to get deadspace modules/bpc which can instantly make up for a week of poor rewards with a goos score.
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Aiyleena Iluvatar
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Posted - 2007.05.29 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Greyscale Yes, multispecs find the new encounters - they're exactly like normal exploration sites in all ways except they're smaller and vastly easier to find. We're looking at the possibility of better differentiation for a patch in the near future, but for now they're all going to be listed as unknowns.
At least please at 1 signal result for every unknown side in a system, as you can have multible in 1 system
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Moonaru Izu
Caldari I.Z.U Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.29 18:12:00 -
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just tried on Sisi to see if you could use bombs effectively in 0.0 encounters. Worked like a charm.
This could be a possible exploit that you might wanna look into. Especially since it is mentioned somewhere that CCP would not like for bombs to be used in NPC missions.
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Christopher Dalran
Gallente Deadly Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.29 18:26:00 -
[36]
Could we get hacking/archaeology (radar,mag) out in drone regions, were getting screwed from every single possible angle out here. ------------------------------- C.D's Formula for success ------------------------------- Credit Card = Game Time Card Gametime Card = ISK Therefore Credit Card = ISK.
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Gaogan
Gallente Solar Storm
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Posted - 2007.05.29 20:55:00 -
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Please differentiate between the new and old exploration sites or you will ruin exploration as a profession. If every system you check with a multispec says something is there, you won't know if you are wasting your time searching until you find the site and realize it is just an encounter, not an exploration site.
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Dodona
Gallente Azure Horizon Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.05.30 04:25:00 -
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I tested this for a while today; I made 6 million or so in the first ten minutes from loot and bounties. I scanned three systems after that with no success. Did I have bad luck, or is that an appropriate rate?
Also, will these encounters have any affect on your sec status like asteroid belt NPC rats? Perhaps they should.
I have two questions about the scanner: if I enter warp while the scanner is activated, from what point in space am I ultimately scanning? And, am I reading correctly that scanning the same area two or more times may pick up an encounter where one scan would not have?
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Wizzkidy
Demonic Retribution Pure.
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Posted - 2007.05.30 08:32:00 -
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The only way you can tell if your doing a new exporation site or not is down to the signal strength of the plex
I found a Gravametric with a 0.02 Strengh
Couldn't do it on my own so got some buddies in, and wow what a mission is was! the thing spawned around 10 BS in stage 1 then another 15 BS after that, you then needed serpentis cystal tags to get into the last stage, which I got and we got the tanker in there to find a hostile NPC POS with POS guns, tanker stayed alive with bots on him and we pwn'ed the guns and NPC's only to be greeted with another 23 BS spawn (we had a message in local that these ships had "undocked" from the POS we pwn'ed them as well to find it had given us a commander spawn Shadow Serpentis which dropped some nice looking POS faction ammo
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Moonaru Izu
Caldari I.Z.U Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.30 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Wizzkidy The only way you can tell if your doing a new exporation site or not is down to the signal strength of the plex
I found a Gravametric with a 0.02 Strengh
hmm, are you saying that you found an encounter (i.e. found it with the onboard scanner) that had the type Gravimetric?
aren't encounters always of the type unknown?
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Wizzkidy
Demonic Retribution Pure.
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Posted - 2007.05.30 08:57:00 -
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Edited by: Wizzkidy on 30/05/2007 08:57:22
Originally by: Moonaru Izu
Originally by: Wizzkidy The only way you can tell if your doing a new exporation site or not is down to the signal strength of the plex
I found a Gravametric with a 0.02 Strengh
hmm, are you saying that you found an encounter (i.e. found it with the onboard scanner) that had the type Gravimetric?
aren't encounters always of the type unknown?
This I'm not sure about, but I had never seen this site before on live. the fact that it dropped a faction POS ammo BPC is new as well, If this was an "encounter" or not I'm not sure.
//Edit - and this was found with Exploration Probes NOT the onboard ship scanner.
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Commander BlackJack
Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.05.30 11:12:00 -
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Edited by: Commander BlackJack on 30/05/2007 11:11:45 Drone region encounter feedback:
I found two encounters so far. They were quite similar. The rats came in several waves about 20 battleships overall. It was a pretty intense and fun fight from the beggining. And i think the difficulty was ok.
Loot: only ALLOYS. I'd like to see some bounty and loot atleast in the encounters. pleease..
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SirMolly
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Posted - 2007.05.30 13:42:00 -
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Edited by: SirMolly on 30/05/2007 13:45:29 Logged in this morning on the testserver and checked osmeden with the new onboard scanner. found 3 encounters on the first try. 1 serpentis with 10 frigs and some sentries, and 2 drone encouters with some small drones.
Since I had to leave for school, i tried again 4 hours later. The previous 3 encouters that i did were gone. Instead i found another encouter (serpentis hideout, ~15 frigs & 2 sentries). After i finished this encouter, there were no encouters left in osmeden. i guess its ok for 0.7 (dunno when new encouters spawn).
Then i wanted to try out 0.0 and went to Syndicate (F67EQ). The System has 9 planets and i went to the middle of the system. After the scan i was surprised that i didnt find anything. So i moved out to another planet. Here i found another serpentis hideout with 3 BS, 3 Cruisers and some sentries. After i killed the innitial spawn, another 8 BS and some smaller ships spawned. After the last Bs was destroyed a Commander spawned and dropped some shadow serpentis stuff. Then this encouter was finished. I got ~13mio isk in total + some rather useless faction stuff |
Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.30 13:57:00 -
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A few interesting things. You can now start the scans (both built in and from probes) while cloaked, a covert ops ship can warp cloaked to a planet, scan for a site, find it and warp into it while never uncloaking.
This is a very nice addition that makes finding people doing these sites much easier.
If you are using probes to scan warping does not interrupt the scans anymore. You are free to warp around as you wish while scanning (only limit is you can't start a scan while in warp). This doe snot work with the on-board scanner.
Your probing skills do not effect the built in scanner. Would be a nice touch if at least astrometric pinpointing and astrometric triangulation worked on it as some people have invested a lot of time into these skills. Or maybe not, using a recon probe launcher and snoob probes with good skill are going to be slightly better (same strength, much less deviation, slightly faster with rigs) at finding the sites than the built in scanner. Maybe that is good enough, not sure.
On the bad side. The interface does not remember the selection of the on-board scanner as it does with probes. You need to reselect it to start a new scan every time. This is a bit irritating.
I did the scanning in tribute, found 3-5 sites per system, half where guristas sites, the other half drone. Too many drone in my opinion. I did not actually finish any site (was in a covert) so I have not checked how site respawn works. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Wizzkidy
Demonic Retribution Pure.
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Posted - 2007.05.30 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi A few interesting things. You can now start the scans (both built in and from probes) while cloaked, a covert ops ship can warp cloaked to a planet, scan for a site, find it and warp into it while never uncloaking.
This is a very nice addition that makes finding people doing these sites much easier.
If you are using probes to scan warping does not interrupt the scans anymore. You are free to warp around as you wish while scanning (only limit is you can't start a scan while in warp). This doe snot work with the on-board scanner.
Your probing skills do not effect the built in scanner. Would be a nice touch if at least astrometric pinpointing and astrometric triangulation worked on it as some people have invested a lot of time into these skills. Or maybe not, using a recon probe launcher and snoob probes with good skill are going to be slightly better (same strength, much less deviation, slightly faster with rigs) at finding the sites than the built in scanner. Maybe that is good enough, not sure.
On the bad side. The interface does not remember the selection of the on-board scanner as it does with probes. You need to reselect it to start a new scan every time. This is a bit irritating.
I did the scanning in tribute, found 3-5 sites per system, half where guristas sites, the other half drone. Too many drone in my opinion. I did not actually finish any site (was in a covert) so I have not checked how site respawn works.
The being able to warp while scanning as far as I am aware is not intended and most probably will be changed
Also you no longer have to wait for your probe launcher to stop flashing green before you scan, this again is not intended I confirmed this last one with a BH
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Gaogan
Gallente Solar Storm
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Posted - 2007.05.30 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Wizzkidy The only way you can tell if your doing a new exporation site or not is down to the signal strength of the plex
I found a Gravametric with a 0.02 Strengh
Couldn't do it on my own so got some buddies in, and wow what a mission is was! the thing spawned around 10 BS in stage 1 then another 15 BS after that, you then needed serpentis cystal tags to get into the last stage, which I got and we got the tanker in there to find a hostile NPC POS with POS guns, tanker stayed alive with bots on him and we pwn'ed the guns and NPC's only to be greeted with another 23 BS spawn (we had a message in local that these ships had "undocked" from the POS we pwn'ed them as well to find it had given us a commander spawn Shadow Serpentis which dropped some nice looking POS faction ammo
I think you are confused. It sounds like you actually found an unknown exploration plex using a gravimetric probe, not a new encounter.
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.30 21:51:00 -
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Did one of the new drones encounters (in guristas space).
Started out with just one Elite something (dropped an Elite Drone AI). But more and more kept spawning for everything I killed. Once I was done I think I killed over 30 BS sized drones and 20 smaller (several of the scrambling). Mostly Patriarch Alvus and Alvus Creators for the BS sized.
With the exception of that Elite thing dropping a can with the Elite Drone AI not a single drone left a wreck. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Gor Kraon
Minmatar Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.30 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi Did one of the new drones encounters (in guristas space).
Started out with just one Elite something (dropped an Elite Drone AI). But more and more kept spawning for everything I killed. Once I was done I think I killed over 30 BS sized drones and 20 smaller (several of the scrambling). Mostly Patriarch Alvus and Alvus Creators for the BS sized.
With the exception of that Elite thing dropping a can with the Elite Drone AI not a single drone left a wreck.
I did that same site yesterday... everything left wrecks except the Elite, which left only a can with that AI thingy... That site had to be the biggest waste of time of all ive done so far, unless you really love alloys. Salvaged it all and got less than 40 parts total id say...
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S0lar Flare
Caldari Lords Of Amber
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Posted - 2007.05.31 11:35:00 -
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Spent some time yesterday to try new encounters in Guristas space. First I did one in 0.7 just to see what will happen, few frigates spawned, extremely easy but that is expected from 0.7.
Later I moved in 0.3 to check new encounters in low sec. Got 3 encounters on second scan. First was Guristas, wave after wave of cruisers and some frigates/destroyers, finished it but no commander spawn or anything. Second and third were Drones. Spawn site had asteroid station, one shot on station and drones spawned together with two NOS towers. There was maybe 7-8 spawns all together up to BC sized drones. No bounties or any kind of incentive except alloys in drone wrecks. First time I've seen drones shooting missiles :) Think these drone encounters will not be really popular, they take a lot of time to finish and you do not get anything except alloys/salvage. Doubt people will do these drones encounters in low sec - too much risk, small reward.
Generally speaking, encounters are not bad idea. I presume it is going to be benefit for everyone, young players in high sec and others in low sec/0.0. Especially if you can hit jackpot (commander spawn) once in a while.
I destroyed all structures on sites and nothing dropped. Would like to know is that intentional or there will be possibility to get some nice loot from structures sometimes?
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Wizzkidy
Demonic Retribution Pure.
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Posted - 2007.05.31 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Gaogan
Originally by: Wizzkidy The only way you can tell if your doing a new exporation site or not is down to the signal strength of the plex
I found a Gravametric with a 0.02 Strengh
Couldn't do it on my own so got some buddies in, and wow what a mission is was! the thing spawned around 10 BS in stage 1 then another 15 BS after that, you then needed serpentis cystal tags to get into the last stage, which I got and we got the tanker in there to find a hostile NPC POS with POS guns, tanker stayed alive with bots on him and we pwn'ed the guns and NPC's only to be greeted with another 23 BS spawn (we had a message in local that these ships had "undocked" from the POS we pwn'ed them as well to find it had given us a commander spawn Shadow Serpentis which dropped some nice looking POS faction ammo
I think you are confused. It sounds like you actually found an unknown exploration plex using a gravimetric probe, not a new encounter.
No there was no unknown sig in the system only an gravametric sig.
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.31 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Wizzkidy
Originally by: Gaogan
Originally by: Wizzkidy The only way you can tell if your doing a new exporation site or not is down to the signal strength of the plex
I found a Gravametric with a 0.02 Strengh
Couldn't do it on my own so got some buddies in, and wow what a mission is was! the thing spawned around 10 BS in stage 1 then another 15 BS after that, you then needed serpentis cystal tags to get into the last stage, which I got and we got the tanker in there to find a hostile NPC POS with POS guns, tanker stayed alive with bots on him and we pwn'ed the guns and NPC's only to be greeted with another 23 BS spawn (we had a message in local that these ships had "undocked" from the POS we pwn'ed them as well to find it had given us a commander spawn Shadow Serpentis which dropped some nice looking POS faction ammo
I think you are confused. It sounds like you actually found an unknown exploration plex using a gravimetric probe, not a new encounter.
No there was no unknown sig in the system only an gravametric sig.
That doesn't sound like an exploration site/encounter at all. More like some cosmos or static plex. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Wizzkidy
Demonic Retribution Pure.
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Posted - 2007.05.31 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi
Originally by: Wizzkidy
Originally by: Gaogan
Originally by: Wizzkidy The only way you can tell if your doing a new exporation site or not is down to the signal strength of the plex
I found a Gravametric with a 0.02 Strengh
Couldn't do it on my own so got some buddies in, and wow what a mission is was! the thing spawned around 10 BS in stage 1 then another 15 BS after that, you then needed serpentis cystal tags to get into the last stage, which I got and we got the tanker in there to find a hostile NPC POS with POS guns, tanker stayed alive with bots on him and we pwn'ed the guns and NPC's only to be greeted with another 23 BS spawn (we had a message in local that these ships had "undocked" from the POS we pwn'ed them as well to find it had given us a commander spawn Shadow Serpentis which dropped some nice looking POS faction ammo
I think you are confused. It sounds like you actually found an unknown exploration plex using a gravimetric probe, not a new encounter.
No there was no unknown sig in the system only an gravametric sig.
That doesn't sound like an exploration site/encounter at all. More like some cosmos or static plex.
Well I scanned it out with gravametric probes and there wasn't any static plexes in the system.
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Dominator9987
Minmatar Macrocosm Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.02 06:49:00 -
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I was intrigued how all the complexes disappeared off the test server. (the ones worth doing / 5/10 and up ). I asked CCP Oneiromancer about it. I was told that they had to be probed out now, and that they were no longer static.
very bad change, a lot of players are gonna be ticked, the plexes are already difficult, now we will have to train up those inaccurate / random probe skills to find the plex in any given system of a region?
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Echtra
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Posted - 2007.06.02 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Greyscale Drone regions seeding (or lack of) is an authoring error on my part. Good catch, saves QA shouting at me next week :) It'll be fixed next time Adam's patched.
Does this mean Drone regions will have the full range of exploration sites (i.e. Mag/Radar/ladar/Grav/Unk) as well as the new encounters?
Ech
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CCP Greyscale
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Posted - 2007.06.02 12:34:00 -
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We'll probably look at revising the rewards for encounters in the near future - we just want to get a handle on exactly how they're going to work out first
Originally by: Dominator9987 I was intrigued how all the complexes disappeared off the test server. (the ones worth doing / 5/10 and up ). I asked CCP Oneiromancer about it. I was told that they had to be probed out now, and that they were no longer static.
very bad change, a lot of players are gonna be ticked, the plexes are already difficult, now we will have to train up those inaccurate / random probe skills to find the plex in any given system of a region?
Yes, as discussed in my last dev blog, static complexes are all being changed to exploration content.
Originally by: Echtra
Originally by: CCP Greyscale Drone regions seeding (or lack of) is an authoring error on my part. Good catch, saves QA shouting at me next week :) It'll be fixed next time Adam's patched.
Does this mean Drone regions will have the full range of exploration sites (i.e. Mag/Radar/ladar/Grav/Unk) as well as the new encounters?
Ech
Not yet, no. Watch this space though.
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Moonaru Izu
Caldari I.Z.U Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.02 16:39:00 -
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Im a bit confussed now..
-'ve been testing encounters/exploration a bit on sisi.
So far we have
- encounters, type=cosmos signature, indicated as "unknowns" by multispectrals and findable with on-board scanner or probes, signal strength > 1 - exploration sites, type=cosmos signature, indicated as "unknowns" by multispectrals and findable with probes only, signal strength < 1 - hidden complex sites, type=???, indicated as ??? by multispectrals and findable by ???
I'm wondering on the cosmos site obviously and also if the other findings are correct or not. I.e. can we distinguish encounter sites from "real" exploration unknown site by the signal strength only?
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William Hamilton
Caldari THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.02 19:25:00 -
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^Well, it would be nice if the multispectral probe gave us a signal strength for each site it found.
As for the complexes, I'm guessing they will have similar exploration properties to encounters, seeing as they are similar in the fact that they do not escalate.
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Echtra
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Posted - 2007.06.02 21:09:00 -
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Edited by: Echtra on 02/06/2007 21:09:20 Edited by: Echtra on 02/06/2007 21:08:57 I noticed a strange glitch while I was in an "Encounter". I was using drones and a new spawn had targeted one of my drones so I recalled it. When it entered the drone bay the overview showed the drone as if it were still in space but with no activity e.g. "attacking". I released the drone again and all was normal again. It did this each time I rcalled a single drone. Not sure if it is limited to the encounter, however I did not notice it later when PVPing.
Ech
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.05 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Greyscale
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Does this mean Drone regions will have the full range of exploration sites (i.e. Mag/Radar/ladar/Grav/Unk) as well as the new encounters?
Ech
Not yet, no. Watch this space though.
Watching intently. Any hint as to what I should be watching for?
Simple spelling lessons for forum posters: A point is moot, not mute Guerilla tactics are different from gorilla tactics.
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Hectaire Glade
Forum Jockey
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Posted - 2007.06.05 16:15:00 -
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some kind of message which says 'hey, threat neutralized' or similar when you complete the last wave would be nice, I did 2 in a .5 system today and was just sort of left hanging.
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