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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Erik Amirault Oh hey, Erik here. NO ONE SENT A PETITION ABOUT POS'S. So why don't you come up with another horse-**** excuse.
To be fair, if you were that goon and you didn't admit it until now, would you?
I'd be pretty petrified. CCP should still privately communicate all those details to DS1. Of course, they won't, and this s&&&storm will continue to escalate.
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: eleuthereus In response to the update on the investigation just released by CCp (here) I have requested on Goonswarm forums for any and all goons to check their petitions so we can find out what led to this infiltration of Darkstar 1 by Sharkbait. In an effort to be transparent and show good faith, here is my post:
---------- Ok, here is the MAJOR question now ---->>
WHO IN DARKSTAR 1 SENT A PETITION IN?
WHAT WAS THAT PETITION ABOUT?
All Goons -- plz plz plz check you petitions you sent in and check your petition replies to see if any of you were the cause of Sharkbait joining Darkstar 1. This is very very important to find out. -----
Perhaps you should have thought about doing so before you set the forum on fire
Let us know the result of your internal investigations, but since we don't trust you, if you find no wrongdoings we'll take that as you lying.....
(hmmm, why does this sound awfully familiar???)
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Platinum Kitten
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: eleuthereus In response to the update on the investigation just released by CCp (here) I have requested on Goonswarm forums for any and all goons to check their petitions so we can find out what led to this infiltration of Darkstar 1 by Sharkbait. In an effort to be transparent and show good faith, here is my post:
---------- Ok, here is the MAJOR question now ---->>
WHO IN DARKSTAR 1 SENT A PETITION IN?
WHAT WAS THAT PETITION ABOUT?
All Goons -- plz plz plz check you petitions you sent in and check your petition replies to see if any of you were the cause of Sharkbait joining Darkstar 1. This is very very important to find out. -----
a reasonable request.
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: eleuthereus
And for the record, I know of no such interaction taking place between ANY goons and devs/GMS. If you have information to the contrary -- please please please provide it for all of us to see and examine so it, too, can be dealt with.
Why would I do that? The correct procedure is to email it directly to the IA department, remember?
I've missed a lot, so could someone tell me where this policy is laid out?
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Xeus909
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:11:00 -
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CCP lied, EVE died
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: OverKill
Originally by: Mr Friendly
Perhaps you could tell me why you are content to do so? I'm serious and I actually am curious. We don't have the same intuitions, and your point about 'imagination' isn't really expressed fully.
I had this huge long post all done up, quoting your various parts and responding to those that required it but this damn forum software is very limited with the amount of space that it allows you to use (characters left and all that blah blah). For that, I appologize as your post was well thought out and deserving of a response. So if you do want to discuss this contact me ingame and I'll give you an email address that we can discuss further.
As for the last bit...
My imagination? Sure, I'll express further. I enjoy making ships, I enjoy selling ships to players who wish to use my services, I enjoy the organizational aspects of running a Corporation, I enjoy the interaction with both clients and associate corp members, I enjoy researching new technologies, I enjoy fighting when I have to and leading groups of men into battle (win or lose), I enjoy the hunt of a lone pirate, I enjoy the achievement of skill progression beyond 52m sp, I enjoy having major players in the universal wars approach HDY and negotiate for ship supply deals, I enjoy all the facets that make EVE what it is for me, a great and ever evolving experience.
Someone cheating doesn't detract from any of this, at least not for me. You see, whether the developers give you 10 titans with which to kill 2,000 ships I know that they aren't my ships, nor that of my Corporation. I know that someone is going to be looking to purchase no vessels and I know that I supply them.
For me, I find out what the system is and I work with it. "He who walks in the river downstream will walk a lot further than he who attempts to walk against the current" and all that sort of jazz.
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Regards, OverKill
Thank you for the response. On a side note, I agree about the forum. I keep finding myself botching up the formating and reaching 0 characters remaining, forcing self-editing. I guess that's for the best as I'd end up with these gigantic rambling walls of text otherwise ;).
I suppose in a functional or pragmatic way, there is little difference between people that cheat and people like myself when our separate spheres of activity either don't interact, or only peripheral do so. Indeed, I suppose I could make the same sort of relation between a corrupt game and myself. Both are outside of my control, both can force me to adapt to their conditions and when those 'conditions' don't force me into doing something I loathe, then it isn't a substantive matter whether they 'win' or not via cheating.
Certainly I will never control large swathes of 0.0, pilot a titan or do many of the things some 'important' members of Eve do on a regular basis. Regardless of how they achieved those things, they are peripheral to MY game actions and vica versa.
Certainly, if I jump into 0.0 and encounter a gate camp, their guns will shoot at me regardless of whether they acquired those guns 'legally' or not. In a real sense, it doesn't matter, except that I am being shot.
That said, my intuitions flare up when, in a game, people stoop to cheating. It's not a sense of moral outrage, but is more a sense of pity and disgust. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It's like cheating at cards when there's no money on the table. It's made all the more pathetic by its lack of consequences.
Anyways, I'm glad you aren't being annoyed by this as much as I.
Peace.
p.s. this is the most interested I've been in Eve for a good while. Ironic.
Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 09/02/2007 23:20:58 But come on, at least give the devs a chance to fire t20.
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira
Originally by: eleuthereus In response to the update on the investigation just released by CCp (here) I have requested on Goonswarm forums for any and all goons to check their petitions so we can find out what led to this infiltration of Darkstar 1 by Sharkbait. In an effort to be transparent and show good faith, here is my post:
---------- Ok, here is the MAJOR question now ---->>
WHO IN DARKSTAR 1 SENT A PETITION IN?
WHAT WAS THAT PETITION ABOUT?
All Goons -- plz plz plz check you petitions you sent in and check your petition replies to see if any of you were the cause of Sharkbait joining Darkstar 1. This is very very important to find out. -----
Perhaps you should have thought about doing so before you set the forum on fire
Let us know the result of your internal investigations, but since we don't trust you, if you find no wrongdoings we'll take that as you lying.....
(hmmm, why does this sound awfully familiar???)
They DID already do it! This is a last ditch effort now that CCP is contradicting them in public and appearing to lie in their eyes. I'm glad that they're being this accomodating.
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JADE DRAG0NESS
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:11:00 -
[3278]
Originally by: Kerfira
Originally by: eleuthereus In response to the update on the investigation just released by CCp (here) I have requested on Goonswarm forums for any and all goons to check their petitions so we can find out what led to this infiltration of Darkstar 1 by Sharkbait. In an effort to be transparent and show good faith, here is my post:
---------- Ok, here is the MAJOR question now ---->>
WHO IN DARKSTAR 1 SENT A PETITION IN?
WHAT WAS THAT PETITION ABOUT?
All Goons -- plz plz plz check you petitions you sent in and check your petition replies to see if any of you were the cause of Sharkbait joining Darkstar 1. This is very very important to find out. -----
Perhaps you should have thought about doing so before you set the forum on fire
Let us know the result of your internal investigations, but since we don't trust you, if you find no wrongdoings we'll take that as you lying.....
(hmmm, why does this sound awfully familiar???)
I find this funny as we trust you a lot less BoD alt.
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand |
eleuthereus
Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: eleuthereus on 27/05/2007 19:12:53 Edited by: eleuthereus on 27/05/2007 19:11:09
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi A good start, but DS1 still needs some details about how it happened and why CCP is ignoring critical gaps in communication.
For information to all -- Goonswarm members are currently sifting thorugh all of their petitions trying to find what petition might have triggered this action by sharkbait -- this includes Darkstar 1 CEOs and other leaders. So far, we are finding no petitions or communications of any kind with CCP.
According to Darkstar 1 CEO, "NO ds1 pos needed aid, no petition was filed, nothing was amiss."
We are all now double checking, triple checking, quad-rupple checking.
CCP --- can you provide us with the name of the pilot who supposedly sent this petition and what it was about? Or, can you provide a screenshot with the pilot's name blurred out?
This is not an issue of Goons just wanting to hang BOB or CCp, it is a matter of us truly wanting to know what in the world is going on. And getting this game fair for everyone.
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Uruko Exactly what are you goons trying to do by "releasing" this kinda crap @ 12 a clock friday evening? Are you here to play the game or to ruin it for everyone else? Seriously...
Seems like 'ruin it' is the honest answer.....
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Breaky Rules
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
The msn thing might be something of an issue. One can think differently about dev to player contact and wether it should be there at all, but it's quite clear that msn or other informal channels should not be used to replace the petition system. If however there's no actual gain other then maybe a few mnutes of time involved I don't see much reason to shout for dev or player blood about it.
When's the last time you got a petition answered in minutes?
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Prall Grosserbauch
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Prall Grosserbauch on 27/05/2007 19:12:08
Originally by: Kerfira
Perhaps you should have thought about doing so before you set the forum on fire
Let us know the result of your internal investigations, but since we don't trust you, if you find no wrongdoings we'll take that as you lying.....
(hmmm, why does this sound awfully familiar???)
Well from what we've been informed the only person with access to the corp's POSes is the CEO himself and he has stated categorically that he did not file any petition. There is also still the question as to why he was not informed that Sharkbait would be joining his corp and making himself a director and why petitions asking for an explanation were deleted. Not to mention the other two issues that have not even been commented upon yet.
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Cafu
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:13:00 -
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How thorough an investigation could it have been if you didn't even speak to DS1's CEO, the one who sent a petition asking for clarification that was apparently deleted.
Things the current CCP response lacks:
1) Who sent the original petition? What did the original petition request? 2) A screenshot or other verifiable evidence that this petition does in fact exist. 3) An explanation of why the DS1 CEO's petition asking for clarification was ignored and deleted.
I don't think CCP has the kind of credibility necessary to issue a "we've looked into it - it all checks out" type of explanation. I think people want to see the unanswered questions answered. Let's see a little transparency in this investigation.
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Ecco Storm
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:14:00 -
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So basically Sharkbait was just doing his job and didn't give any feedback to the DS1 guys. No wrong doings have gone on barring a lack of communication and yet Sharkbait and CCP are still getting lynched? I swear you people make me sick. No cheating has gone on in this event and the guy was only doing his job. Get off your high god damned horses. Just because you're ****ed in general about all of the potential abuses going on doesn't mean that they're true .. or false. Treat each one as it comes. 1 down. 3 to go.
If someone has actually had serious enough misconduct to warrant a firing then by all means, get the gasoline, the rope and whatever other implements you see fit. I'll be there with a lighter and some mashmellows. If, however, a genuine mistake or a bad judgment call has been made then ffs let CCP learn yet another lesson and improve on things. With the events of the T20 issue CCP put in the Internal Affairs group led by Arkanon. CCP learned the hard way they needed to have more policing of their game. They'll learn from this, adapt, improve and move on.
If you think for one bloody minute that CCP is secretly trying to screw any player or group over because of some hidden agenda then you're smoking some serious stuff. Mistakes have been made and will be made again in the future because they're human just like the rest of us.
It's a weekend folks. Give them time to get back to the office and get the work done. Don't let the momentum of this hate train carry you along for the ride until you have all the facts.
Ecco
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This Pilot
posts for honor
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:14:00 -
[3285]
THERE ARE NO PETITIONS IN IRAQ
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: JADE DRAG0NESS
Originally by: Kerfira My stuff..
I find this funny as we trust you a lot less BoD alt.
Hehehe, still the same old argument when facing facts you don't like..
FYI though, my main is in a 1-man corp in Empire (and shock, that corp is not in BoB), who'm I just don't happen to want war'dec'd when exposing peoples lies and faulty arguments....
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:15:00 -
[3287]
Originally by: Kerfira
Originally by: Uruko Exactly what are you goons trying to do by "releasing" this kinda crap @ 12 a clock friday evening? Are you here to play the game or to ruin it for everyone else? Seriously...
Seems like 'ruin it' is the honest answer.....
How does bringing allegations of company misconduct to light ruin anything except the misconduct or appearance of misconduct? I have asked this 3 or 4 times in this thread and never gotten an answer.
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:16:00 -
[3288]
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: eleuthereus
And for the record, I know of no such interaction taking place between ANY goons and devs/GMS. If you have information to the contrary -- please please please provide it for all of us to see and examine so it, too, can be dealt with.
Why would I do that? The correct procedure is to email it directly to the IA department, remember?
I've missed a lot, so could someone tell me where this policy is laid out?
Bumping this
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TMaxximus
ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:17:00 -
[3289]
time for non-playing independent staff as far as i can see.
especially when people are investing so much time and effort into what afterall is a game.
with a potential for the unscrupulous to make money from the game, surely having people control the game with a vested interest is not right.
making me and several of my fellow corp-members consider wether or not we pay to renew our subscriptions just to help line the pockets of these people.
TMaxximus D2
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Prall Grosserbauch
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ecco Storm So basically Sharkbait was just doing his job and didn't give any feedback to the DS1 guys. No wrong doings have gone on
You don't see anything wrong with developers entering corps, giving themselves director roles and refusing to inform anyone within the corp itself why they are doing so?
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ecco Storm So basically Sharkbait was just doing his job and didn't give any feedback to the DS1 guys. No wrong doings have gone on barring a lack of communication and yet Sharkbait and CCP are still getting lynched? I swear you people make me sick. No cheating has gone on in this event and the guy was only doing his job. Get off your high god damned horses. Just because you're ****ed in general about all of the potential abuses going on doesn't mean that they're true .. or false. Treat each one as it comes. 1 down. 3 to go.
If someone has actually had serious enough misconduct to warrant a firing then by all means, get the gasoline, the rope and whatever other implements you see fit. I'll be there with a lighter and some mashmellows. If, however, a genuine mistake or a bad judgment call has been made then ffs let CCP learn yet another lesson and improve on things. With the events of the T20 issue CCP put in the Internal Affairs group led by Arkanon. CCP learned the hard way they needed to have more policing of their game. They'll learn from this, adapt, improve and move on.
If you think for one bloody minute that CCP is secretly trying to screw any player or group over because of some hidden agenda then you're smoking some serious stuff. Mistakes have been made and will be made again in the future because they're human just like the rest of us.
It's a weekend folks. Give them time to get back to the office and get the work done. Don't let the momentum of this hate train carry you along for the ride until you have all the facts.
Ecco
Nobody is claiming Sharkbait needs fired. Nobody is even on a high horse. Everyone is still just pointing out that CCP's response continues to ignore serious portions of the issue.
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Breaky Rules
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Prall Grosserbauch
Originally by: Ecco Storm So basically Sharkbait was just doing his job and didn't give any feedback to the DS1 guys. No wrong doings have gone on
You don't see anything wrong with developers entering corps, giving themselves director roles and refusing to inform anyone within the corp itself why they are doing so?
BoB doesn't because they already are directors there.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:19:00 -
[3293]
Originally by: Breaky Rules
Originally by: Rod Blaine
The msn thing might be something of an issue. One can think differently about dev to player contact and wether it should be there at all, but it's quite clear that msn or other informal channels should not be used to replace the petition system. If however there's no actual gain other then maybe a few mnutes of time involved I don't see much reason to shout for dev or player blood about it.
When's the last time you got a petition answered in minutes?
Last week, on a non-BoB char account btw.
It ttotally depends on the category, as anyone that actually uses the petition system once in a while could tell you.
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Breaky Rules
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:22:00 -
[3294]
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: Breaky Rules
Originally by: Rod Blaine
The msn thing might be something of an issue. One can think differently about dev to player contact and wether it should be there at all, but it's quite clear that msn or other informal channels should not be used to replace the petition system. If however there's no actual gain other then maybe a few mnutes of time involved I don't see much reason to shout for dev or player blood about it.
When's the last time you got a petition answered in minutes?
Last week, on a non-BoB char account btw.
It ttotally depends on the category, as anyone that actually uses the petition system once in a while could tell you.
Anything outside of a stuck petition takes an average of 4-7 days for me.
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Relaria Hossin
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:23:00 -
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There's only one player in DS1 authorized to handle anything related to POS stuff and he claims no petition was filed. So what pettition was being acted on and why is the CEO of DS1 being stonewalled? Why are we all getting stonewalled again?
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Ikthorn Balhar
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:24:00 -
[3296]
Originally by: FireFoxx80
Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Eldo Davip
Originally by: Verone \o/ Page 126
126
<3
Right about now, I'm so glad I don't have your job
I hear if it gets to 150, we all get a T2 Ship; 200 we get a T2 BPO; and 500 is Titan's for all!
I'll take a faction-fitted Astarte please!
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Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:27:00 -
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In response to the news item: That's great, but it doesn't answer a thing. Lets try a petition number, and a brief description of what the petition was about, and how he was hoping to (or did) solve it. I was hoping for a bit more transparency and a bit less white-wash.
Furthermore, the real issue here (to me) is that BOB has Devs/GM's on MSN contact. The ISD reporter might have been fired anyway - but there would have been a petition filed.
Petitions are paper trails, and provide justification of someone's actions, and MSN is not such a paper trail. Furthermore, petitions go through a chain of command. MSN? Man, I can just go straight to the top!
Lets make an illustration in another light. We both have Verizon DSL, and we can't get online to play our favorite game Eve-Online. All things are really equal, and we both have the same problem at 7:30 PM.
So, we call up tech support, and both get the same answer: We're booked up until Thursday (4 days away) at 2 PM. And you get ****ed off, and ask for a supervisor, and get batted around from department to department, waste 4-5 hours of your time, and get it moved ot Thursday at 1 PM. Yippie.
I, on the other hand, went to high school with the President of Verizon, and call up my buddy (who I have on my MSN list too), and say "Dude, I gotta get online, and they're telling me it won't be til Thursday!". He says.. "WTF? Ok, hold on." .... "Ok, they'll be there in the morning at 8AM sharp."
Sure, we both get our DSL fixed, but it happens 3 days sooner for me. If we move this situation into a game, the effects become more than simply having a buddy.
Originally by: "Cheating, definition"
any behavior outside the rules intended to give an unfair advantage to one or more players.
An unfair advantage is having a faster method of avoiding the petition system altogether (MSN), or getting your petitions that you do file resolved even faster.
An unfair advantage is having more input into how Eve should be developed (features, etc) than I do (and I'm even a fellow game developer).
An unfair advantage is having the inside scoop on what is/is not against the rules - instantly. Most of us file a petition, while you simply IM the dev and ask "Hey, what's the scoop on POS bowling?"
An unfair advantage is having the inside scoop on what to do in the game. So you're MSN'ing your dev friend and you're talking about upcoming additions/features to the game, and he says "Oh, you guys should definitely consider moving to the new system called DE-VCH3T, because there's going to be a nice surprise for whoever gets there first!
An unfair advantage is possibly having world builders purposefully rig the game in your favor. Hourly respawning 10/10 complexes for billions of ISK?
Cheating is something that is done outside the rules to gain an unfair advantage. MSN is definitely outside the rules, and in the Information Age, information gained in this way is an unfair advantage.
Liang
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: eleuthereus
And for the record, I know of no such interaction taking place between ANY goons and devs/GMS. If you have information to the contrary -- please please please provide it for all of us to see and examine so it, too, can be dealt with.
Why would I do that? The correct procedure is to email it directly to the IA department, remember?
I've missed a lot, so could someone tell me where this policy is laid out?
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Originally by: Kerfira
Originally by: Uruko Exactly what are you goons trying to do by "releasing" this kinda crap @ 12 a clock friday evening? Are you here to play the game or to ruin it for everyone else? Seriously...
Seems like 'ruin it' is the honest answer.....
How does bringing allegations of company misconduct to light ruin anything except the misconduct or appearance of misconduct? I have asked this 3 or 4 times in this thread and never gotten an answer.
Bumping these quick questions. Somebody want to help me out?
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:30:00 -
[3299]
Originally by: Breaky Rules
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: Breaky Rules
Originally by: Rod Blaine
The msn thing might be something of an issue. One can think differently about dev to player contact and wether it should be there at all, but it's quite clear that msn or other informal channels should not be used to replace the petition system. If however there's no actual gain other then maybe a few mnutes of time involved I don't see much reason to shout for dev or player blood about it.
When's the last time you got a petition answered in minutes?
Last week, on a non-BoB char account btw.
It ttotally depends on the category, as anyone that actually uses the petition system once in a while could tell you.
Anything outside of a stuck petition takes an average of 4-7 days for me.
Reimbursement does yes, up to a week or more for me too. You're not going to get a reply within 15 mins on an exploit petition involving macrominers or suchlike either.
Bugreports or stuck/exploit petitions on for example POS however tend to get quick replies. And exploit petitions involving ISD staff no doubt get near- instant ones.
Again, this here crapstorm needs bringing back down to reasonable proportions. CCP have now investigated one of the points in part as you can read. They'll undoubtedly inform us further about the rest in the coming days.
It's also pretty logical that they don't name the player that put in the petition as they aren't allowed to by their own rules to do so. They also never said that this particular petition was about POS btw. I'm sure they'll sort it all out with DS1 in due course. It's a bit silly tho to see how many replies have already been made since that news item came out that instantly dismiss it as a coverup.
Again, this here thing needs de-escalating. I wonder wether the goons are prepared to take the intitiative to de-escalate now that their message seems to have been clearly heard and is being acted upon. If anything would be telling about their own role in this it would be taking such action. How about proving yourselves to be consciable too goons ?
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Ecco Storm
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Prall Grosserbauch
Originally by: Ecco Storm So basically Sharkbait was just doing his job and didn't give any feedback to the DS1 guys. No wrong doings have gone on
You don't see anything wrong with developers entering corps, giving themselves director roles and refusing to inform anyone within the corp itself why they are doing so?
We're talking about Sharkbait here yes? Sigh.
Just because there's a lot of animosity towards Goons in general doesn't mean that everyone is out to get you. The only thing Sharkbait is guilty of is a lack of communication. Mistake and\or oversight? Sure, why not. That's a long, long way from misconduct however. Something you kids should try to realize before playing the martyr.
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