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Oohwha Schipperman
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Royaldo please dear god lets have oveur answer this 1...
"OK, I'm getting mildly offended by you now, Bhaal. That's just ridiculous. In june, close to 1000 paying accounts were banned. You do the math on how much that costs us financially."
How many of those bans were initiated by BoB members via MSN?
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Cheng
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:24:00 -
[3752]
Originally by: Relaria Hossin
Originally by: Cheng
They were just regular players, enjoying EvE just like everyone else. And at somepoint, in those 4 years of playing, some got to be devs and some got to be gm's.
These players who got hired also were allowed to keep their player accounts. There's the real problem here and like I said, everything else is the symptom of this huge conflict of interest.
There is a reason no other company that runs a MMOG allows this to happen the way CCP does.
Yes they are allowed to keep their accounts and they should be able to. Why is it a conflict of interest? - Those who fail are those devs/gm's who reveal their identity. So is that BoB's fault? - No.
And what if some revealed their identity to players they trust. - Tbh I don't care... I don't care if someone in Goons, RAZOR etc. have dev/gm's friends on their contact list, it's their friends and they shouldn't be punished only for being true friends.
--- Reikoku for the motherf00kin life. |
Flaming Lemming
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:24:00 -
[3753]
CCPs latest answer.
I think this finally explains EVERYTHING.
there's no such thing as bad press |
Boogerbuster
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:25:00 -
[3754]
Hmm....Lost the sticky for this thread. Next comes the lock and the big sweep this mess under the rug is underway. Geez CCP. Do you think we are idiots?
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Flaming Lemming
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:25:00 -
[3755]
Originally by: Cheng
Originally by: Relaria Hossin
Originally by: Cheng
They were just regular players, enjoying EvE just like everyone else. And at somepoint, in those 4 years of playing, some got to be devs and some got to be gm's.
These players who got hired also were allowed to keep their player accounts. There's the real problem here and like I said, everything else is the symptom of this huge conflict of interest.
There is a reason no other company that runs a MMOG allows this to happen the way CCP does.
Yes they are allowed to keep their accounts and they should be able to. Why is it a conflict of interest? - Those who fail are those devs/gm's who reveal their identity. So is that BoB's fault? - No.
And what if some revealed their identity to players they trust. - Tbh I don't care... I don't care if someone in Goons, RAZOR etc. have dev/gm's friends on their contact list, it's their friends and they shouldn't be punished only for being true friends.
You don't get it do you? That is against CCPs rules.
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari Lords Of Amber
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:27:00 -
[3756]
Quite amusing, really.
I've been waiting, hoping that CCP will release details about ISD guy that got sacked. And instead of it coming first, it'll come last.
Why should it come first?
"10.5 But havenĘt there been allegations of abuse of power by the volunteers?"
"Allegations, yes, but upon investigation, nearly all of these cases are proven to be false. To those outside ISD, the program is mysterious and the object of frequent misconceptions about what the volunteers can and cannot do. These misconceptions make the volunteers an easy target. We take accusations of abuse of power or other wrongdoing by the volunteers very seriously and investigate each thoroughly. On the rare occasion when a volunteer has broken the rules, he has been swiftly dismissed."
If it was investigated "thoroughly", CCP should already have all the details available.
Yet, they choose not to post anything yet...
Only "rules" I could find in relation to ISD reporters are located in this thread:
linky
"If a reporter approaches you at an ill time then please refer him to someone else or discuss a possible rain check to answer his questions.
When a reporter follows your fleet and it makes you extremely nervous then please contact the reporter and tell him that you will contact him or her when there is a battle or that you will update him on where your fleet is heading to. This way the reporter wonĘt follow you around jump after jump. We understand that this may make people very nervous, so please keep us updated on your whereabouts and if something occurs.
If you prefer that the IC ignore your alliance or corporation then please have a director contact me ingame, only a director or another leading figure can ask the IC to ignore your alliance and corporation altogether. This will mean we will only talk to people outside your alliance or corporation if there is a conflict in a region. The news will then read that your alliance did not wish to comment on the affairs."
Sigh. Can't wait for spin...
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:27:00 -
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Edited by: umop 3pisdn on 28/05/2007 02:28:21 Im so sick of people saying "omg this new scandal that new scandal too!"
The only new thing was sharkbait apparently fixing a POS, and that is because it happened recently.
All of the other **** concerning CCCP=Bob+Devs is not new. But to bring it up previously would get you shouted down by bob/pets/fanbois as a conspiracy theorist.
If you think bob having "close" relationships with ccp and many members working for them is anything new you are living in a daze.
Its all old. It only becomes "news" when there is proof, something that they are getting better at hiding.
I truly doubt that anything, at all, will happen within CCP as a result of this, maybe an office sticky reminding people not to use MSN during work hours... thats about it.
CCP know about all of it. As long as you've known of the rumours so have they... they play the game too remember?
They dont care if cheating is going on, they just care when its uncovered, as the many bans for posting links to the open letter and k's site will show.
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Cheng
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:30:00 -
[3758]
Originally by: Death Kill Edited by: Death Kill on 27/05/2007 21:59:36
Originally by: Cheng
That is exactly what happened with those few in BoB who have the MSN address of the few devs/gm's that are their friends.
So basicaly you DONT see the conflict of intrest here? And I doubt anyone care about your lifestory, what people care about on the other hand is if people with POWER that mingle with normal players and LET THEM KNOW that they are DEVS or GM's.
That the DEVS or GM's want to play the game is fine, but they shouldnt reveal their identity for ethical reasons. And if a person becomes a dev or gm he/she should recycle their character and start a new one that no one knows about.
Quote: And do you all honestly think that some induviduals in BoB are the ONLY players ingame that has devs/gm's on their contact list on MSN? - Grow up. *EDIT,ADDED*
You b0bbies really give this your best dont you? so far, your entire alliance has tried to sweep this under the carpet. You want to make this a bob vs goon thing, when its really a case of pathetic cheaters vs the entire community.
Death Kill, what I said about my family is not the point. - The point is that somone I know works for CCP. Does my uncle have to resign from his job? And am I a cheater just becoz I can call him and talk to him?
So what that devs/gm's let their FRIENDS know? - I don't care if you know a dev, I don' care if someone in GOONS. know a gm. I just don't care.
If the dev/gm's reveals something about the game, then it's the dev/gm's fault. Not the person that got to know the information.
You need to start widening your perspective, nobody in BoB (except from t20) has cheated. NOBODY afik. We have been branded cheaters just because of one mans act.
Like I said before, grow up.
--- Reikoku for the motherf00kin life. |
Jonas Vance
Orion's Nebula
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:41:00 -
[3759]
Originally by: Cheng
If the dev/gm's reveals something about the game, then it's the dev/gm's fault. Not the person that got to know the information.
You need to start widening your perspective, nobody in BoB (except from t20) has cheated. NOBODY afik. We have been branded cheaters just because of one mans act.
Like I said before, grow up.
There's scant proof either way beyond the T20 events other than what your own members have admitted to (Ie. Dianabolic). I'm glad you add that afaik at the end because it seems that many people in your alliance have no clue what others are doing.
Although it has not been proven yet, raising an in-game issue through MSN by a regular player is not fair play (The adm whateverhisnameis guy issue). All in-game matters should be resolved through the petition system, not by logging into ISD's IRC channel and freaking out over it. |
Astarte Nosferatu
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:42:00 -
[3760]
Originally by: Cheng
Death Kill, what I said about my family is not the point. - The point is that somone I know works for CCP. Does my uncle have to resign from his job? And am I a cheater just becoz I can call him and talk to him?
If the dev/gm's reveals something about the game, then it's the dev/gm's fault. Not the person that got to know the information.
In most civilized countries, if you know someone is going to, or has commited a crime, and you don't notify the proper authorities, you get sued for aiding a criminal. If a CCP employee breaks CCP rules by giving you classified information, it's your duty to immidiately report it to the right people in CCP, instead of sticking your head in the sand.
Of course, if you don't mind getting advantages ingame due to CCP affiliations, you have no right to complain about the memberbase's behaviour towards you.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
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Rikeka
Amarr Eye of God X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:46:00 -
[3761]
Originally by: Cheng
Originally by: Death Kill Edited by: Death Kill on 27/05/2007 21:59:36
Originally by: Cheng
That is exactly what happened with those few in BoB who have the MSN address of the few devs/gm's that are their friends.
So basicaly you DONT see the conflict of intrest here? And I doubt anyone care about your lifestory, what people care about on the other hand is if people with POWER that mingle with normal players and LET THEM KNOW that they are DEVS or GM's.
That the DEVS or GM's want to play the game is fine, but they shouldnt reveal their identity for ethical reasons. And if a person becomes a dev or gm he/she should recycle their character and start a new one that no one knows about.
Quote: And do you all honestly think that some induviduals in BoB are the ONLY players ingame that has devs/gm's on their contact list on MSN? - Grow up. *EDIT,ADDED*
You b0bbies really give this your best dont you? so far, your entire alliance has tried to sweep this under the carpet. You want to make this a bob vs goon thing, when its really a case of pathetic cheaters vs the entire community.
Death Kill, what I said about my family is not the point. - The point is that somone I know works for CCP. Does my uncle have to resign from his job? And am I a cheater just becoz I can call him and talk to him?
So what that devs/gm's let their FRIENDS know? - I don't care if you know a dev, I don' care if someone in GOONS. know a gm. I just don't care.
If the dev/gm's reveals something about the game, then it's the dev/gm's fault. Not the person that got to know the information.
You need to start widening your perspective, nobody in BoB (except from t20) has cheated. NOBODY afik. We have been branded cheaters just because of one mans act.
Like I said before, grow up.
Of course not. But, how can we be sure that your... "uncle" is not helping you? He has helped you before, and he was reprimended by that, yes. But how can we be sure he is not doing it again?
We have to, HAHAHAHA, trust your word?
See what we refer to? No one here actually trusts CCP because of their poor ill-crisis managament. And no reasonable man actually believes everyone in BoB is cheating. As no reasonable man would think this is limited just to BoB.
But if BoB considers it a standard to have CCP Devs on their MSN lists... I want to have their contacts too! Why not? I`m a paying customer too. Friendship has nothing to do with this. I too can talk about bugs and unrelated-EvE stuff.
"I am matter... I am anti-matter... I can see your past... I can see your future... I consume time... And I will consume you!"
-Culex (SMRPG) |
Cheng
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:49:00 -
[3762]
Originally by: Flaming Lemming
Originally by: Cheng
Originally by: Relaria Hossin
Originally by: Cheng
They were just regular players, enjoying EvE just like everyone else. And at somepoint, in those 4 years of playing, some got to be devs and some got to be gm's.
These players who got hired also were allowed to keep their player accounts. There's the real problem here and like I said, everything else is the symptom of this huge conflict of interest.
There is a reason no other company that runs a MMOG allows this to happen the way CCP does.
Yes they are allowed to keep their accounts and they should be able to. Why is it a conflict of interest? - Those who fail are those devs/gm's who reveal their identity. So is that BoB's fault? - No.
And what if some revealed their identity to players they trust. - Tbh I don't care... I don't care if someone in Goons, RAZOR etc. have dev/gm's friends on their contact list, it's their friends and they shouldn't be punished only for being true friends.
You don't get it do you? That is against CCPs rules.
I do get it and I just don't care. - Is it my problem that devs/gm's revealed to his friend that he's a dev/gm?
No it's not my problem and just to be brutaly honest.. I.. Do.. Not.. Care.
Only reason I should care, if someone used his dev/gm friend to grief me. And if the dev/gm actually does something that his friend asked him to do, then I care.
But until then, I con't care.
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Aphotic Raven
Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:50:00 -
[3763]
Originally by: Flaming Lemming CCPs latest answer.
I think this finally explains EVERYTHING.
The link in your sig... whats it from please?
Originally by: Dr Cupid Let me tell you all that I'm really enjoying eve-beta, and can't wait for the real game to come out!
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Local Her0
Minmatar La Mancha Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:51:00 -
[3764]
i will not pay for an internet-space-ship game anymore where i play against the devs and their friends - i mean are you freaking kidding me bobbit? your uncle is prolly a ccp stuff member - and u don¦t care? oooohhh what a surprise u freak - i do!
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Astarte Nosferatu
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:52:00 -
[3765]
Originally by: Aphotic Raven
Originally by: Flaming Lemming CCPs latest answer.
I think this finally explains EVERYTHING.
The link in your sig... whats it from please?
It's an unrelated YouTube video.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
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Cheng
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:53:00 -
[3766]
Originally by: Jonas Vance
Originally by: Cheng
If the dev/gm's reveals something about the game, then it's the dev/gm's fault. Not the person that got to know the information.
You need to start widening your perspective, nobody in BoB (except from t20) has cheated. NOBODY afik. We have been branded cheaters just because of one mans act.
Like I said before, grow up.
There's scant proof either way beyond the T20 events other than what your own members have admitted to (Ie. Dianabolic). I'm glad you add that afaik at the end because it seems that many people in your alliance have no clue what others are doing.
Although it has not been proven yet, raising an in-game issue through MSN by a regular player is not fair play (The adm whateverhisnameis guy issue). All in-game matters should be resolved through the petition system, not by lo gging into ISD's IRC channel and freaking out over it.
Can you show me proofs of someone else that is in BoB or was in BoB, cheated?
I'm asking for proofs... Not speculations. If you can't give me hard proofs, then don't bother answering. It will only make you look bad.
--- Reikoku for the motherf00kin life. |
Rikeka
Amarr Eye of God X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:54:00 -
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As for CCP`s response... I LOVE IT!
1) We may or may not have did something to prevent something like this ever going to happen again.
2) We may or many not have caught the responsible of all this mess. If we did, we will not inform you or their names, nor of what they did... or may not have did.
3) We may show favoritism or not to one side of the EvE community. They may or may not pay more than the rest of the other customers, thus they have special handly talkie talkies to talk to us whenever they feel like it, whenever they feel their ship was unfairly bumped, etc. Comes (or not) with a special "I-Win" button to call-out for a GM whenever he is in Local (or not)!
We want certainties, CCP!
Disclaimer: I was bored and all this is too funny.
"I am matter... I am anti-matter... I can see your past... I can see your future... I consume time... And I will consume you!"
-Culex (SMRPG) |
Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:57:00 -
[3768]
Originally by: Cheng
Can you show me proofs of someone else that is in BoB or was in BoB, cheated?
I'm asking for proofs... Not speculations. If you can't give me hard proofs, then don't bother answering. It will only make you look bad.
What, Dianabolic openly admitting it on page 12 doesn't do it for you?
Liang
Originally by: Dianabolic, of BOB, referring to MSN
the fact that many of us speak to the devs / gm's / employees of CCP on a regular basis as friends is already common knoweldge?
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Astarte Nosferatu
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:57:00 -
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Originally by: Cheng
Can you show me proofs of someone else that is in BoB or was in BoB, cheated?
I'm asking for proofs... Not speculations. If you can't give me hard proofs, then don't bother answering. It will only make you look bad.
You appear to not understand that if Dev's/GM's did cheat, they were able to destroy a lot of proof before it leaked out in the public.
It's like people claiming to see UFO's, but not being able to prove it. Millions of people claim to have seen 'aliens' but so far, proof is lacking. This might be cause there are no aliens and we're truely alone, or the aliens did their best to ensure no proof of their visits can be found.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e
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Posted - 2007.05.28 03:02:00 -
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lol, if you ripped out all the text in this thread. how many standard book sized pages do you think it would fill?
...or to say, reading this thread is the equivalent of a how many paged book?
I did some rough calculations and came up with 800. Sounds high but wouldn't be suprised if thats being conservative...
(Lets just ignore the fact it would be the worst book ever written. I bet, if you read this thread front to back your brains would leak out of your ears. )
oh yeah, and a bit of something to stay on topic... DEVHAXSPLOIT!! i cancel my subscription!11! 2 ppl knowing each other in RL = the ENTIRE GAME being FIXED for bob to win!!! everyone i know is quitting now! CONSPIRACY!!
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Devious Syn
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Posted - 2007.05.28 03:02:00 -
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Just do like me and cancel your subscriptions,
Seriously how many more of these "incidents" will it take exactly?
Only way anything is gonna happen is if people mass cancel, if anyone thinks differently your nutz.
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Jonas Vance
Orion's Nebula
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Posted - 2007.05.28 03:02:00 -
[3772]
Edited by: Jonas Vance on 28/05/2007 03:02:10
Originally by: Cheng
Can you show me proofs of someone else that is in BoB or was in BoB, cheated?
I'm asking for proofs... Not speculations. If you can't give me hard proofs, then don't bother answering. It will only make you look bad.
I can turn it back on you and say, can you show me proof that BoB did NOT cheat? Can I remind you that there is still an ongoing investigation on whether one of your members did or did not abuse his powers of friendship with a dev.
As far as prior accounts of cheating, there has only been speculation and conclusions people have drawn from what Kugutsumen has posted.
I am not accusing you of cheating I am mearly stating that you cannot rightly say with certainty that BoB has never cheated, you can of course say that no one YOU know has cheated. But that is mearly semantics.
Now I can say with certainty a BoB member named Ishos Rerajan did cheat but you use him as an exception in your statement. Hmmmm. Why is he an exception, he was a BoB member, hired fair and square. Others in your alliance knew he was a dev as stated by internal communications. That in itself is cause for speculation of unscrupulous dealings by the leadership. |
Rikeka
Amarr Eye of God X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.05.28 03:02:00 -
[3773]
Originally by: Cheng
Originally by: Jonas Vance
Originally by: Cheng
If the dev/gm's reveals something about the game, then it's the dev/gm's fault. Not the person that got to know the information.
You need to start widening your perspective, nobody in BoB (except from t20) has cheated. NOBODY afik. We have been branded cheaters just because of one mans act.
Like I said before, grow up.
There's scant proof either way beyond the T20 events other than what your own members have admitted to (Ie. Dianabolic). I'm glad you add that afaik at the end because it seems that many people in your alliance have no clue what others are doing.
Although it has not been proven yet, raising an in-game issue through MSN by a regular player is not fair play (The adm whateverhisnameis guy issue). All in-game matters should be resolved through the petition system, not by lo gging into ISD's IRC channel and freaking out over it.
Can you show me proofs of someone else that is in BoB or was in BoB, cheated?
I'm asking for proofs... Not speculations. If you can't give me hard proofs, then don't bother answering. It will only make you look bad.
T20.
But you previously said you did not cared. So what`s the point? You also said that you would only care if someone would use a friendly GM to grief you... So, of course, you won`t care. As that won`t happen to you.
A bit over the head, nor I take sides in all this. I know all this too comes with the EvE War turf. As I have no sides there, I don`t care if BoB is truly guilty or not... as much as anyone else would care (not trying second-mean something, I truly mean I don`t care: EvE is just a game)
Aside of that, I do hate special priviledges.
"I am matter... I am anti-matter... I can see your past... I can see your future... I consume time... And I will consume you!"
-Culex (SMRPG) |
Don Bosco
Jita Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.28 03:03:00 -
[3774]
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 27/05/2007 22:53:36
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Liang Nuren Furthermore, they're "friends", and directly admitted to using that access for in-game bug fixes and favors.
Erm, no we haven't?
We've directly admitted to, wait for it... using MSN to speak with our friends.
If you don't think CCP are monitoring those contacts like hawks for acts of impropriety already then no matter of proof or evidence will ever satisfy you.
Get over yourselves, whiners.
You're amazing. Every time you post about this subject in here you have even odds (at best) of 'winning' over other Eve O forum-goers and really outstanding odds of presenting yourselves as guilty to outside parties. Why are you here??
"Using MSN to speak to our friends" is inappropriate and unprofessional behavior in any business like this anywhere else in the world- even if you don't get direct benefits, admitting to having it creates an equal conflict of interest and appearance of impropriety. Even if you thought it was ok, how could you possibly think it was a good idea to post on here?
You are mindboggling. [...]
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Astarte Nosferatu
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.05.28 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: HankMurphy lol, if you ripped out all the text in this thread. how many standard book sized pages do you think it would fill?
...or to say, reading this thread is the equivalent of a how many paged book?
I did some rough calculations and came up with 800. Sounds high but wouldn't be suprised if thats being conservative...
(Lets just ignore the fact it would be the worst book ever written. I bet, if you read this thread front to back your brains would leak out of your ears. )
oh yeah, and a bit of something to stay on topic... DEVHAXSPLOIT!! i cancel my subscription!11! 2 ppl knowing each other in RL = the ENTIRE GAME being FIXED for bob to win!!! everyone i know is quitting now! CONSPIRACY!!
Can't post anything sensible anymore, so you figured posting senseless spam would help your case?
Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
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Aphotic Raven
Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.05.28 03:08:00 -
[3776]
Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Originally by: Aphotic Raven
Originally by: Flaming Lemming CCPs latest answer.
I think this finally explains EVERYTHING.
The link in your sig... whats it from please?
It's an unrelated YouTube video.
I was more interested in this link in his sig
Originally by: Dr Cupid Let me tell you all that I'm really enjoying eve-beta, and can't wait for the real game to come out!
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Mud Pandemonium
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.05.28 03:09:00 -
[3777]
Meanwhile, In Empire..
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Cheng
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.28 03:11:00 -
[3778]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Cheng
Can you show me proofs of someone else that is in BoB or was in BoB, cheated?
I'm asking for proofs... Not speculations. If you can't give me hard proofs, then don't bother answering. It will only make you look bad.
What, Dianabolic openly admitting it on page 12 doesn't do it for you?
Liang
Where is the proof? - There are no proofs on page 12 that any other bob member has cheated? - Could you please be more specific, what is it that Dian is admitting to? --- Reikoku for *snip* Don't do that. -Rauth life. |
Rikeka
Amarr Eye of God X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.05.28 03:13:00 -
[3779]
Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Meanwhile, In Empire..
Wins thread...
"I am matter... I am anti-matter... I can see your past... I can see your future... I consume time... And I will consume you!"
-Culex (SMRPG) |
Cheng
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.28 03:15:00 -
[3780]
Originally by: Rikeka
Originally by: Cheng
Originally by: Jonas Vance
Originally by: Cheng
If the dev/gm's reveals something about the game, then it's the dev/gm's fault. Not the person that got to know the information.
You need to start widening your perspective, nobody in BoB (except from t20) has cheated. NOBODY afik. We have been branded cheaters just because of one mans act.
Like I said before, grow up.
There's scant proof either way beyond the T20 events other than what your own members have admitted to (Ie. Dianabolic). I'm glad you add that afaik at the end because it seems that many people in your alliance have no clue what others are doing.
Although it has not been proven yet, raising an in-game issue through MSN by a regular player is not fair play (The adm whateverhisnameis guy issue). All in-game matters should be resolved through the petition system, not by lo gging into ISD's IRC channel and freaking out over it.
Can you show me proofs of someone else that is in BoB or was in BoB, cheated?
I'm asking for proofs... Not speculations. If you can't give me hard proofs, then don't bother answering. It will only make you look bad.
T20.
But you previously said you did not cared. So what`s the point? You also said that you would only care if someone would use a friendly GM to grief you... So, of course, you won`t care. As that won`t happen to you.
A bit over the head, nor I take sides in all this. I know all this too comes with the EvE War turf. As I have no sides there, I don`t care if BoB is truly guilty or not... as much as anyone else would care (not trying second-mean something, I truly mean I don`t care: EvE is just a game)
Aside of that, I do hate special priviledges.
What about t20? - We know he cheated, I asked from PROOFS that SOMONE ELSE cheated.
Don't spin around what I have previously stated. I don't care if a dev/gm tells his friend that he is one. I just don't care.
What I care about is that people are stating bull**** about BoB and it's players. --- Reikoku for *snip* Don't do that. -Rauth life. |
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