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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.29 07:37:00 -
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Edited by: Malachon Draco on 29/05/2007 07:36:53
Originally by: Rebellion
Originally by: Plim
Originally by: Rebellion So, if one of CCP's employee's son wanted to play EVE, you'd tell the kid: IN ORDER TO PLAY EVE, YOU MUST DISOWN YOUR FATHER, YOU CHEATER.
CCP's running a game, not running a government.
There are no stakes here that matter, because NONE of us actually own ANYTHING in EVE. Not even our accounts. Is this too complicated to understand?
There are stakes that matter.
In the real world you see (you might have been there - but maybe not), there is this concept called currency.
People earn this thing called currency, then they spend it on various products, or 'commodities'. However when they spend it on something which turns out to be sub standard, or, lets say an mmorpg in which the staff are corrupt, they might feel a bit peeved, because they didn't realise they were paying for that.
Is that too complicated to understand?
Would you understand these terms:
"CCP is selling a product, not running a government."
If you don't like the product, then don't buy it. It's a better and more effective course of action than acting like a drama queen.
If you don't like how CCP runs EVE, then create a game like EVE, run it better than CCP, and get all of their customers.
Reality is like that.
Actually, if you buy a product of which the producer knows its faulty, or should know its faulty, or it is advertised in a manner that is misleading, there are other recourses open to consumers. Some examples are of course more clearcut than others (Carmanufacturers recalling faulty cars), but what would you do if you hear that in spite what it says on the packaging, Budweiser actually put cow urine in the beer they make? Nobody got really ill, but they certainly didn't get what was advertised. Is the only recourse then to stop buying Budweiser? I think not. Eve may be a game, but it is very much A CONSUMERPRODUCT at the same time, and the same standards apply.
(disclaimer, of course Budweiser does not put cow urine in their beer, just a fictitious example)
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.29 07:42:00 -
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dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2007.05.29 07:46:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
dbp
You wouldn't be laughing if your paypal account movimentation was examined by justice, DB preacher. It is not very likely to happen, but one can dream, can't him? Who knows, we may have a public attorney here in the forums.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.29 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
dbp
Question DBP, do you think Hellmar is laughing atm?
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Ammoina
University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.05.29 07:50:00 -
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Edited by: Ammoina on 29/05/2007 07:49:36 The Mob:CCP CHEATED US ALL CCP: Just let me enter your accusations into my IA black box... The Mob:YOU CHEATED US CCP: Ah black box is done. It says we're innocent. The Mob: Oh. Right. Ok
Something wrong with that picture? Yeah, the black box.
No one who didn't already want to believe CCP's innocence is going to be convinced of anything by 'petition found, but we can't show it to you' and 'already investigated, nothing to see here.'
BoB didn't help measures by publicly saying that they've got the MSN contacts for Devs and GMs.
Meh. I'll keep playing EVE because there is nothing else on the market that is a replacement.
And uh, CCP really, really, really needs to take a closer look at its rules regarding allowing developers into player corps.
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QuantumX
Minmatar Sicarri Covenant
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Posted - 2007.05.29 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
dbp
And BoB wonders why its taking flack.. I doubt CCP is laughing.. I bet more then a few account subscriptions have been cancelled over this. Mine have..
I think the defenders of what has happend forget this is a product over 150k people pay real money for. Just by this CCP have a responsibility to its customers.
People who think its CCP's game, they can do what they want, are blind to the fact that they provide a service, and if confidence in that service is undermined it affect them in the real world, if any body believes its does not then they are fools.
Many of the posts defending CCP, by a certain alliance have done nothing but to further damage CCP. They are currently loosing members left right and center, and worse the negitive press on the various news sites atm is turning would be new members away in droves.
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Azuraito
Caldari Infestation.
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Posted - 2007.05.29 08:12:00 -
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BOD up to no good again!
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Shadow Elk
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Posted - 2007.05.29 08:12:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Muff Joos
What needs to be cleared up? You've already admitted that you have a direct line of communication with the devs through msn. that's the only issue i've ever cared about. It's clear and in the open.
Lots of people in lots of corps / alliances have the same. Is it just BoB that you think would use them to "cheat", or are you accusing everyone equally?
Oh come on.. It is so far only BoB and BoB alone that have been stupid enough to confess to having a direct line to CCP-Cave. And on top of that.. You also confessed to abusing that line! Stop waveing your hands around screaming, you wont dumb it down, you wont make it go away, you screwed up and now heads will roll.
Originally by: Dianabolic We have a "special" line (if you want to call msn that) to our FRIENDS.
Even devs need friends, you know, they're not robots.
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Alias11
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.29 08:12:00 -
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false dichotomies are the new black
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QuantumX
Minmatar Sicarri Covenant
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Posted - 2007.05.29 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Spot Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 29/05/2007 02:31:45 How goes the witch hunt??
Gee to bad
You could always quit
Or you could come out and fight bob, and when you lose you can explain it away with "omgbobhaxorcheatsploit". How can you beat an offer like that???
Sorry about your witch hunt
And yet this SPAM and TROLLING.. does not get moderated..
Score another one for the BoB and CCP PR Machine.
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Shadow Elk
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Posted - 2007.05.29 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Angelyn a person who opennly admits they are using lines that nobody else has is openly admitting to..... What is it folks, say it with me
C H E A T I N G they therefore have no leg to stand on, this being the case, CCP they have given you only one choice. Those who are members of BoB and have spoken up here admitting to such fraternization should be imediately banned. The members of bob should be gone over with a fine tooth comb and any member having shown gains from such interactions should either be banned or temporarily suspended. BoB itself with their own words have given you no other real choices in this. not only that but the members of CCP found to have been involved with such activity should I believe be not fired, but suspended without pay for a period of time which will drive home the results of such interaction in a way which will have an impact. This would solve the problem outright and take care of the entire debical. Their could be other answers, however the one I give may well be one of the best involved. if however CCP sees clear to recompense the rest of the community for their past actions this would greatly help to improve things as well. I am not demnding this, nor do I believe that CCP will do such a thing, but I do humbly make the suggestion. I have no links to CCP nor would I wish any. I have however been a victim of BoB manipulation of the game in their favor. I don't care if I get reimbursed for it though as long as the problem is taken care of and everything is taken care of, period.
That sort of depends on you allegation that no-one else has access to the same method of communication. How many other people need to have access before it is fair? Also, why sould only BoB members be scrutinised? Surely your fine tooth comb has to be used on everyone, not just a select few? Giving BoB access to a fine tooth comb that not everyone has access to is CHEATING .. or something.
Befor everybody has access to the same method of communictions it will be unfair. If I got to play eve for free and you had to pay, coz of your gold membership in the CCP-Club for special friends, then it wouldnt be unfair that I didnt have the MSN contact. But as it stays now, the only people we now are having and using to cheat, unfair contacts with the devs are BoB and BoB alone. And it sure as daylight aint coz they upgraded their membership to Gold or Platinum.
Originally by: Dianabolic We have a "special" line (if you want to call msn that) to our FRIENDS.
Even devs need friends, you know, they're not robots.
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Karim alRashid
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.29 08:48:00 -
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Edited by: Karim alRashid on 29/05/2007 08:49:26 Hahaha, BoB/CCP propaganda machine in full speed on COAD. Indeed, why not divert, divert, divert, divert, divert and divert attention. To bad they choose more or less this:
Originally by: SirMolle
There are no Goons. And this is as personal as it will ever get.
Originally by: Blacklight
Goons are going to die, no matter what it takes.
Originally by: DB Preacher
Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No.
but said (allegedly) by TheMittani.
Speaking of being hypocritical...
Edit: Changed BoD to BoB and CCP means that Cookies and Pie thing.
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Alice Cholmondeley
Christine.
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Posted - 2007.05.29 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: DB Preacher
dbp
Question DBP, do you think Hellmar is laughing atm?
One may start to think you live for the forums Malachon. Kinda sad tbh. |
Shadow Elk
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Posted - 2007.05.29 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
dbp
You frecked up and you know it
Originally by: Dianabolic We have a "special" line (if you want to call msn that) to our FRIENDS.
Even devs need friends, you know, they're not robots.
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.29 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: DB Preacher
dbp
Question DBP, do you think Hellmar is laughing atm?
It's funny but you ask me like you think I give two hoots?
I couldn't careless whether hellmar is laughing or not. I certainly am at each and everyone of you crying with false indignation over the game. I'm sure this time, it's the end for eve, just like last time, no really.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.29 08:53:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 29/05/2007 08:52:40
Originally by: Karim alRashid Hahaha, BoD/CCP propaganda machine in full speed on COAD. Indeed, why not divert, divert, divert, divert, divert and divert attention. To bad they choose more or less this:
Originally by: SirMolle
There are no Goons. And this is as personal as it will ever get.
Originally by: Blacklight
Goons are going to die, no matter what it takes.
Originally by: DB Preacher
Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No.
but said (allegedly) by TheMittani.
Speaking of being hypocritical...
Ye know, just a hint here but when you reply off-topic you do more to divert the actual point than anyone ;)
However, since you brought it up, I said a while back when someone posted complaining that goons were taking some 0.0 space that in comedy timing is everything.
Right now we're removing you from 0.0 yet again and you have failed to do anything about it again.
So no clue what you are blethering about posting the quotes, you might wanna go post them in SA, see if you can get another 1000 members to suicide because you are going to need them. ;)
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Azuraito
Caldari Infestation.
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Posted - 2007.05.29 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Azuraito BOB up to no good again!
Please don't troll. -Hango
I wasnt, BOD name their ships DEVS whatever, so i think, BOD is well suited and since they have personel communications with DEVS (orange species+MSN), it's even more suited!
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Avrunath
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Posted - 2007.05.29 09:08:00 -
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Edited by: Avrunath on 29/05/2007 09:07:55
Originally by: MehTheTrader Again, you're welcome to criticise the mod team and tell us if you think that we've done something wrong, but the forums are not the place to do that. Send an email to [email protected]. Thank you. -Hango
And again, look at this we being censored again. Are we in bloody China or America? There is something called "Freedom of Speech" dear CCP. This is enough. Stop the bloody censorship, you ruining the game with it.
WE ARE YOUR CUSTOMER WITH A VOICE, THAT NEEDS TO BE HEARD IN THE WHOLE COMMUNITY!!!
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Tharrn
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.05.29 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Shadow Elk
Oh come on.. It is so far only BoB and BoB alone that have been stupid enough to confess to having a direct line to CCP-Cave. And on top of that.. You also confessed to abusing that line! Stop waveing your hands around screaming, you wont dumb it down, you wont make it go away, you screwed up and now heads will roll.
In fact BoB are the only ones who threatened people with 'no problem, I will just call my Dev friends' and bragged about it on the board. It's the typical arrogance of some members that makes the whole organization suffer. Pitty really.
Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
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Karim alRashid
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.29 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher Stuff ...
You know, you remind me of a radio. You just talk you talk without even an attempt to maintain the illusion that your words are in anyway connected to what you're replying to.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.29 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: DB Preacher
dbp
Question DBP, do you think Hellmar is laughing atm?
One may start to think you live for the forums Malachon. Kinda sad tbh.
Actually over the past weekend I had at least a dozen absolutely fabulous fleetfights with a worthy opponent, really showed how awesome this game can be in some areas. And got some experience in leading a big fleet \o/ Only 1 fight had terrible lag, but that was with 270 in local.
Now back at work
Anyway, HI BLACKLIGHT!
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.29 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: DB Preacher
dbp
Question DBP, do you think Hellmar is laughing atm?
It's funny but you ask me like you think I give two hoots?
I couldn't careless whether hellmar is laughing or not. I certainly am at each and everyone of you crying with false indignation over the game. I'm sure this time, it's the end for eve, just like last time, no really.
dbp
I know you think that what was being brought up here in the OP are a few minor things, perhaps handled clumsily by CCP, but minor issues really.
And I would agree with you.
But the fact that these minor issues can snowball into a 165 page thread in one weekend and posts all over the internet smearing EVE will give CCP pause I bet. And maybe it should give you pause as well. No game is invincible, and from where I stand I see anger and distrust that is very much real. Unfounded perhaps, thats an issue we could discuss all day, but very much real nonetheless.
And the way it goes now, it will only be worse the next time. And yes, there will undoubtedly be a next time. signature removed - please contact us to find out why (include the URL of your sig) - Jacques([email protected]) |
DarkFenix
Caldari Pilots Of Honour
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Posted - 2007.05.29 09:25:00 -
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Edited by: DarkFenix on 29/05/2007 09:28:24 I'll confess I've not read the whole thread (let's face it who the hell is gonna trawl through 150+ pages of this drivel), but it does strike me as just the usual Goon, Goon alt, BoB hater and doomsayer bandwagon topic.
From what I can tell a bunch off issues have been presented. None of which even have the level of proof the t20 incident did.
What I find pretty stupid is that all these whiners in this thread are perfectly willing to believe any old idiot's accusations and take their words at face value, while anything CCP say is immediately disregarded as being a lie or cover up.
But that isn't the stupidest thing. I accept that (the majority of) humans love a conspiracy theory and are rather stupid by nature. The stupidest thing is that all these whiners are sticking around and paying CCP. Why are you still here?
You say CCP is such a disgrace, and no matter what CCP do to fix the problems you still say they're completely untrustworthy. So quit. CCP own Eve, it's their product. If you don't want it, don't buy it. If all you whiners quit then perhaps we will get a community of the sort of quality we used to.
If I ran CCP I would have given up on trying to be reasonable with the community after the farce surrounding the t20 incident. This time round I would have been telling the whiners to stfu or p**s off. I guess it's just as well I'm not running CCP.
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.29 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco
I know you think that what was being brought up here in the OP are a few minor things, perhaps handled clumsily by CCP, but minor issues really.
And I would agree with you.
But the fact that these minor issues can snowball into a 165 page thread in one weekend and posts all over the internet smearing EVE will give CCP pause I bet. And maybe it should give you pause as well. No game is invincible, and from where I stand I see anger and distrust that is very much real. Unfounded perhaps, thats an issue we could discuss all day, but very much real nonetheless.
And the way it goes now, it will only be worse the next time. And yes, there will undoubtedly be a next time.
Give me pause? why? What do you think CCP are going to do? Close down the servers because a bunch of newbs spam the forums to complain about some baseless accusations, most of which have already been thrown out as rubbish?
The only pause this thread gives me is a pause from work so I can laugh at another dose of crocodile tears.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Shadow Elk
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Posted - 2007.05.29 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: Malachon Draco
I know you think that what was being brought up here in the OP are a few minor things, perhaps handled clumsily by CCP, but minor issues really.
And I would agree with you.
But the fact that these minor issues can snowball into a 165 page thread in one weekend and posts all over the internet smearing EVE will give CCP pause I bet. And maybe it should give you pause as well. No game is invincible, and from where I stand I see anger and distrust that is very much real. Unfounded perhaps, thats an issue we could discuss all day, but very much real nonetheless.
And the way it goes now, it will only be worse the next time. And yes, there will undoubtedly be a next time.
Give me pause? why? What do you think CCP are going to do? Close down the servers because a bunch of newbs spam the forums to complain about some baseless accusations, most of which have already been thrown out as rubbish?
The only pause this thread gives me is a pause from work so I can laugh at another dose of crocodile tears.
dbp
Oh come on.. You know you frecked up the moment you admitted to having unfair communication with the devs. That your people later admitted that it had been used to cheat only sweetens the deal. You keep talking about baseless accusations. They became hard fact at the beginning of this thread when the confessions started to trickle in.
Originally by: Dianabolic We have a "special" line (if you want to call msn that) to our FRIENDS.
Even devs need friends, you know, they're not robots.
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Topaz Skydiver
Minmatar Narrative Freshfood
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Posted - 2007.05.29 09:39:00 -
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There is definitely a problem, if some alliances can call their personal dev or isd contact to do something for them ingame and others can not.
1) Friends are biased in a conflict between 2 parties. 2) Friends are willing to invest more effort to solve things for you and make you happy, more effort than a stranger.
If I call a GM and ask: 'Can you solve that for me ?' And he might answer: 'No sorry, not possible.' To his friend he might say: 'A bit difficult, but I look what I can do.'
Some vets maybe think it's normal to benefit from having dev or ISD friends, but it can't work this way. We all pay money for this.
My former alliance didn't have dev or gm contacts, everything needed to be solved via petition. I remember trouble with our enemies, they called a GM and I think the GM decision was stupid that day. ( A few weeks later GMs decided differenly over the same issue. ) Maybe if we had had an ISD mate and had called him before that, he would also have decided differently. And that just can't be.
I don't care, if other alliances have this means too that they can call isd or dev friends to solve something for them, but it needs to be stopped. Having a dev or ISD friend shouldn't give you any advantage ingame. --------------------------------------------- *snip* |
Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.29 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: Malachon Draco
I know you think that what was being brought up here in the OP are a few minor things, perhaps handled clumsily by CCP, but minor issues really.
And I would agree with you.
But the fact that these minor issues can snowball into a 165 page thread in one weekend and posts all over the internet smearing EVE will give CCP pause I bet. And maybe it should give you pause as well. No game is invincible, and from where I stand I see anger and distrust that is very much real. Unfounded perhaps, thats an issue we could discuss all day, but very much real nonetheless.
And the way it goes now, it will only be worse the next time. And yes, there will undoubtedly be a next time.
Give me pause? why? What do you think CCP are going to do? Close down the servers because a bunch of newbs spam the forums to complain about some baseless accusations, most of which have already been thrown out as rubbish?
The only pause this thread gives me is a pause from work so I can laugh at another dose of crocodile tears.
dbp
Why it should give you pause:
One of the EVE developers said I think the average time a player spends in Eve is 7-9 months somewhere. Which means that with 200k active accounts, you're looking at a turnover of about 20k a month. Bad publicity everywhere is gonna discourage people from joining, and won't encourage anyone in staying. Eve's reputation is getting closer to a point where everyone with a clue about MMOs is not gonna join it. Eventually that will choke the life out of it. I have seen the virtual death of SWG as a MMO (I used to lead one of the biggest Imperial Guilds there) and I am seeing parallels here to be honest.
And even if this is just a minor incident and mostly just smoke, you know as well as I do that a smear is always on the front page in 48 point bold, rectifications end up on page 14 in small print in a corner. The fact that this blew up to a 165 page thread and plastered over various internet forums is not gonna be helping Eve. And we both know that small incidents will continue to happen, and if they continue to lead to this kind of reactions, eventually Eve will be in serious trouble.
Personally I am watching this more with a bit of amusement and perhaps a bit of morbid fascination for what is going on. Outrage, far from it, or to be perfectly honest, not anymore . But just like some of your members, I don't mind tossing a canister of gasoline on a fire every now and again just to see what happens next. signature removed - please contact us to find out why (include the URL of your sig) - Jacques([email protected]) |
Avrunath
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Posted - 2007.05.29 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: FlamingErictilePhaillicy Why wasnt the cheating ccp employ fired for giving bob t2 bpos? Why was the reporter fired literally instantiously becuase your player "Orange Species" had a complaint about a bumb, which is unconfirmed and also un proven to have been malicoius?
/signed
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.29 09:47:00 -
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I just logged in and couldn't help but smile at the client splash screen :
"Eve-Online : Revelations"
Kind of ironic... given the current situation...
>>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
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Karim alRashid
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.29 09:47:00 -
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Edited by: Karim alRashid on 29/05/2007 09:47:08
Originally by: DarkFenix
You say CCP is such a disgrace, and no matter what CCP do to fix the problems you still say they're completely untrustworthy. So quit. CCP own Eve, it's their product. If you don't want it, don't buy it.
Sure, if I knew an advance of a widespead cheating, rigging and developer favourism I wouldn't buy it, of course. You're right here.
But now, I've spend a certain amount of money and a huge amount of time (not to count the developing carpal tunnel syndrome). Also I'm ******* ****ed off that what appeared a perfectly respectable company[1] in fact scammed me. Why should I quit? Are you going to reimburse me? Apparently not.
See, the only thing naturally left is to beat the cheaters until they either quit or the resort to such a blatant amount of cheating that nobody plays EVE anymore
And now call the above "whining".
[1] yeah, and don't give me the bull**** of a few bad apples when the company goes beyond itself to cover up for the "few bad apples".
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