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Bu Jinkan
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:53:00 -
[421]
Originally by: Dianabolic
Oh really?
Seleene doesn't speak to the dev team?
Virtuozzo?
TRIGGER never did?
How about CYVOK?
All of those people have Dev (and higher) contacts on their msn.
What do you have to say to that?
I thought this was all overblown until Rebellion and you came out and admitted that you really do talk to the dev teams and have special lines that we don't.
When GS has a major problem due to a bug, we have to use the petition system. A system filled with quite a few people who don't have a full understanding of game mechanics. We wait weeks for reimbursements, and sometimes never get the proper (and obvious) outcome. Same with LV, same with nearly every other alliance in the game.
When the server resets and POSes can be refueled with stront while in reinforce, we have to send petitions to fix it. And then we get told that they don't have server logs of it going into reinforce and therefore can not be helped (even as the POSes are coming out of reinforce in front of our eyes). You get to contact your own dev and say "hey there's this stront bug sure is weird could you help us out?"
We don't get to give input to the devs directly. One of our members had to post a freaking manifesto on Titans, only to get the response of "thanks for all the work" weeks later. Sure would help just to send a quick IM to a buddy and say "hey these Titan things are unbalanced!"
You have systematically lied to the eve community about your relationship with the developers. You have lied about t20. You lie, lie, and lie some more. You had GM events leaked to you PERSONALLY Dianabolic, and yet you are still unapologetic. (Who leaked them, anyway? Now is a good time to say, since we're all here talking about corruption. Maybe Internal Affairs would be interested.)
Are you truly unable to figure out how disgusting it is that one alliance is allowed to have the ear of the developers while everyone else is excluded? I mean, I didn't realize that playing for a long time gives you such special privileges.
It's time to end this. It's time for CCP to come clean, and it's time for the lies to stop.
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Shadow Elk
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:53:00 -
[422]
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Virtuoso DeToure
Originally by: Rebellion The goon rage for the sake of righteousness would be believable if you showed equal outrage at your leadership making real money profit from your time cards.
As your buddy said earlier. "Proof or STFU."
Apparently all you need to do is ask the IRS, that's easier for you to do than it is for us, enjoy.
Just say NO to cheating!
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Blablabla1
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:54:00 -
[423]
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: luminoll fraternization between CCP employees and players should not be allowed and strictly enforced. This policy would have avoided this.
Joined a police state recently?
USA = police state :P (ok george bush im kidding, you really arent an idiot)
But CCP can have friends, why the fk not? Go work for a game company
Boss Says, "Oh yeah btw you cant have any mates" - Good luck with that!
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ApathyKills
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:54:00 -
[424]
Originally by: Rebellion The goon rage for the sake of righteousness would be believable if you showed equal outrage at your leadership making real money profit from your time cards. Or at the real world angle to the gaming activities of the people you ally yourselves with.
Why am I not surprised that SA goons have also started spamming sladhdot and digg too? If you're really interested in the truth, you'd wait for CCP to post their side before spamming this all over the place. You would even be able to wait until CCP says something that you supposedly have "proof" otherwise, and make them look all the more like liars. But no, it's much better to raise hell and get as much attention as you can, and keep spamming the allegations for the off chance that people that read take it at face value, you'd even create these people if you had to, if only to make it appear that 3rd party individuals actually do believe something wrong is going on.
If you really hated how CCP run EVE for legitimate reasons, you'd just quit and stop paying them. But no, you have a real axe to grind, and want to take the game down. It's not enough that you stop paying CCP for their game, you want other people to stop paying too, so that CCP gets hurt more.
Would you get geek cred by being able to claim that you pwned EVE? Most of you play this game because of a desire to ridicule the stereotype of the playerbase, just like what you did with Second Life.
At this point, I don't know of CCP even thinks it's worth putting up with goon antics just for their monthly subscriptions. Perhaps goons anticipate that too, and thus want to make their monthy subscription worth more in that they would seek to influence other players to make their pressure group weigh more in the eyes of CCP.
At any rate, when you do leave EVE, I hope it would be after your fleets learn to focus fire on primaries. It requires the same discipline as copying and pasting the same text all over the forums.
This isn't the Goons that are raging. This is EVE.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:54:00 -
[425]
Originally by: Zylatis
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: luminoll fraternization between CCP employees and players should not be allowed and strictly enforced. This policy would have avoided this.
Joined a police state recently?
Uhhh being gagged for revealing the truth? sounds like we're already in one.
Ever read the TOS?
Except you are still free to voice your "truth", just not on here - and nowhere on these forums, in the eula or the TOS does it say you have any rights to say anything what so ever.
Read them, they're enlightening. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums |
Virtuoso DeToure
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:55:00 -
[426]
Edited by: Virtuoso DeToure on 26/05/2007 01:55:34
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Virtuoso DeToure
Originally by: Rebellion The goon rage for the sake of righteousness would be believable if you showed equal outrage at your leadership making real money profit from your time cards.
As your buddy said earlier. "Proof or STFU."
Apparently all you need to do is ask the IRS, that's easier for you to do than it is for us, enjoy.
Nice try. The IRS doesn't care if that money is used for things to benefit the alliance (forums, Teamspeak, killboard, Wiki, etc.) or Remedial's pocket. I can tell you for a fact that Remedial has never made money off GTC sales.
But you already knew that, being "spymaster" and all.
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Reverend Moon
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:55:00 -
[427]
Is CCP going to address or acknowledge the ability for an alliance to use MSN to talk to ISD leaders and ultimately get ISD people banned?
Also is CCP going to respond regarding the allegations of the RP events being rigged?
Saying the only "misconduct" is related to sharkbait ninja joining, grabbing director roles for 21 minutes and leaving would be incredibly short sighted and would only be an insult to everyone.
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Bertram Russel
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:56:00 -
[428]
Tomorrow me and my mates will buy vodka. Then go throu this thread and read all bob posts. Everytime bob tries the usual logical fallacys we will have a shot of vodka. Wish us luck, we might die
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squidgee
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:56:00 -
[429]
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Zylatis
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: luminoll fraternization between CCP employees and players should not be allowed and strictly enforced. This policy would have avoided this.
Joined a police state recently?
Uhhh being gagged for revealing the truth? sounds like we're already in one.
Ever read the TOS?
Except you are still free to voice your "truth", just not on here - and nowhere on these forums, in the eula or the TOS does it say you have any rights to say anything what so ever.
Read them, they're enlightening.
Does it mention MSN contact with CCP staff anywhere in those TOS?
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Kesslar Znel
Exegesis Aerospace GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:56:00 -
[430]
Originally by: Jackal79 This is mildly upsetting to me but I don't understand why its such a big deal to you all? So a dev joins some po-dunk corp and plays god with it. Its not good, and I definitely wouldn't want it to happen to me, but I don't think its a game breaking issue.
And if devs can't play the game, how can they make it any better?
For those of us who play in 0.0 this sort of stuff is a game-breaking issue.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:56:00 -
[431]
Originally by: Bu Jinkan I thought this was all overblown until Rebellion and you came out and admitted that you really do talk to the dev teams and have special lines that we don't.
Of course you didn't.
And, if you guys for one minute tried to engage with the community rather than turn it in to your (self coined phrase) "goons in space" you may actually get that kind of contact. As it is you pull stunts like this.
Way to win friends and influence people? Reikoku Diplomatic Forums |
Badhands
Gallente DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:57:00 -
[432]
taken from the in game bio of the DS1 CEO
Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Statement on dev misconduct:
for the record, Darkstar1 has 3 pos in game only, both are and have always worked fine and have never been petitioned by anyone in the corp for not working, the statement given by CCP is incorrect and simply not true,
LUCASWV, - CEO of Darkstar1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Statement on dev misconduct:
for the record, Darkstar1 has 3 pos in game only, both are and have always worked fine |
Inturist
Dark and Light inc. D-L
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:57:00 -
[433]
Originally by: Virtuoso DeToure
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Virtuoso DeToure
Originally by: Rebellion The goon rage for the sake of righteousness would be believable if you showed equal outrage at your leadership making real money profit from your time cards.
As your buddy said earlier. "Proof or STFU."
Apparently all you need to do is ask the IRS, that's easier for you to do than it is for us, enjoy.
Nice try. The IRS doesn't care if that money is used for things to benefit the alliance (forums, Teamspeak, killboard, Wiki, etc.) or Remedial's pocket. I can tell you for a fact that Remedial has never made money of GTC sales.
and so , goonies paying 9$ or something a month to be able lose as many T1 ships as possible ? Now look - GTC sales -> isk - minerals , 10$ from member . = ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't dare to cross that line ^
dont discuss moderator actions on the forums - and i wanted only to talk :S |
Krystal Foxglove
Caldari Subach-Tech FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:58:00 -
[434]
I don't know much about this topic though I've read through all fourteen pages (at the time of this post).
This is kinda getting ridiculous... the shouts of "You did this..." and "BoB did that..." and "Can I have your stuff?" is getting a bit ridiculous.
One of the posts here said that we have an intelligent player-base but the only intelligent players I see are either the one's who are NOT posting to this topic... trying to get on with their everyday lives in EVE... or actually MAKING some sort of effort in trying to clear up an issue.
I was told by some people (while I was in a 0.0 sec area for the first time) to stay away from any BoB people for fear that they'd pop me and my guide for "stealing." Now, I can understand that, BUT (yes, a BIG BUT here), wouldn't BoB have a bit of common sense not to pop anyone who was in a Caracal being lead to 0.0 by an interceptor and NOT pop them?
Sure.. that last paragraph may have been off-topic but kinda makes a bit of sense. Common sense that is. I've also seen those screen shots.. did anyone realize that with the right tools... they can be edited flawlessly to sway a story to someones favor?
I say that we let this thread die a peaceful death... not get overworked and go back to enjoying the game?
Oh. I don't want your stuff... I want to earn it myself. =3
Cheers from the Foxy Missile Fighter and Mining Vixen.
Krystal Foxglove.
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Blablabla1
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:58:00 -
[435]
Originally by: Badhands taken from the in game bio of the DS1 CEO
Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Statement on dev misconduct:
for the record, Darkstar1 has 3 pos in game only, both are and have always worked fine and have never been petitioned by anyone in the corp for not working, the statement given by CCP is incorrect and simply not true,
LUCASWV, - CEO of Darkstar1 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, in ASCN DS1 lied and cheated their whole way through.. Would take what they said, specifically Gilbert and CEO pyrex with a pinch of salt mate
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:58:00 -
[436]
Originally by: Virtuoso DeToure Edited by: Virtuoso DeToure on 26/05/2007 01:55:34
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Virtuoso DeToure
Originally by: Rebellion The goon rage for the sake of righteousness would be believable if you showed equal outrage at your leadership making real money profit from your time cards.
As your buddy said earlier. "Proof or STFU."
Apparently all you need to do is ask the IRS, that's easier for you to do than it is for us, enjoy.
Nice try. The IRS doesn't care if that money is used for things to benefit the alliance (forums, Teamspeak, killboard, Wiki, etc.) or Remedial's pocket. I can tell you for a fact that Remedial has never made money off GTC sales.
But you already knew that, being "spymaster" and all.
Actually it does, it's an "income". Which is also why your new ceo, The Mittani, posted the "we're ass broke" thread.
Crying much? Reikoku Diplomatic Forums |
Kesslar Znel
Exegesis Aerospace GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:59:00 -
[437]
Originally by: Dianabolic
Read them, they're enlightening.
They are pretty long, maybe you could get GM Eris to write a summary for me.
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Relaria Hossin
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:59:00 -
[438]
Originally by: Midgath Stallsman Being friends with CCP still not explain how a "friend" can get ISD agents fired at will.
I would like to know how this works as well.
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Jonas Vance
Orion's Nebula
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Posted - 2007.05.26 02:00:00 -
[439]
Originally by: Rebellion The goon rage for the sake of righteousness would be believable if you showed equal outrage at your leadership making real money profit from your time cards. Or at the real world angle to the gaming activities of the people you ally yourselves with.
Why am I not surprised that SA goons have also started spamming sladhdot and digg too? If you're really interested in the truth, you'd wait for CCP to post their side before spamming this all over the place. You would even be able to wait until CCP says something that you supposedly have "proof" otherwise, and make them look all the more like liars. But no, it's much better to raise hell and get as much attention as you can, and keep spamming the allegations for the off chance that people that read take it at face value, you'd even create these people if you had to, if only to make it appear that 3rd party individuals actually do believe something wrong is going on.
If you really hated how CCP run EVE for legitimate reasons, you'd just quit and stop paying them. But no, you have a real axe to grind, and want to take the game down. It's not enough that you stop paying CCP for their game, you want other people to stop paying too, so that CCP gets hurt more.
Would you get geek cred by being able to claim that you pwned EVE? Most of you play this game because of a desire to ridicule the stereotype of the playerbase, just like what you did with Second Life.
At this point, I don't know of CCP even thinks it's worth putting up with goon antics just for their monthly subscriptions. Perhaps goons anticipate that too, and thus want to make their monthy subscription worth more in that they would seek to influence other players to make their pressure group weigh more in the eyes of CCP.
At any rate, when you do leave EVE, I hope it would be after your fleets learn to focus fire on primaries. It requires the same discipline as copying and pasting the same text all over the forums.
Again, you think Goon's are the only one's that are on board with this. Everyone is against you. Face it, you're done. Thanks for ruining the game for everyone else. Make money from timecards doesn't affect us as much as CHEATING. |
Ishur
Gallente Ore Diggers
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Posted - 2007.05.26 02:00:00 -
[440]
Staying in Employment 101- Do NOT **** where you eat.
There is a approx 3-4 million euro flowing into CCP every month. A CEO who lets someone on his payroll risk that kinda revenue will come under serious questioning from shareholders. I can only hope that that is a sufficient spur to end this kind of conduct from within. A barman gets fired for taking a drink- why not the same here..? ''I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully'' - George W Bush. |
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squidgee
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 02:00:00 -
[441]
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Virtuoso DeToure Edited by: Virtuoso DeToure on 26/05/2007 01:55:34
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Virtuoso DeToure
Originally by: Rebellion The goon rage for the sake of righteousness would be believable if you showed equal outrage at your leadership making real money profit from your time cards.
As your buddy said earlier. "Proof or STFU."
Apparently all you need to do is ask the IRS, that's easier for you to do than it is for us, enjoy.
Nice try. The IRS doesn't care if that money is used for things to benefit the alliance (forums, Teamspeak, killboard, Wiki, etc.) or Remedial's pocket. I can tell you for a fact that Remedial has never made money off GTC sales.
But you already knew that, being "spymaster" and all.
Actually it does, it's an "income". Which is also why your new ceo, The Mittani, posted the "we're ass broke" thread.
Crying much?
Spies?!
Where is you honor?!
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Kesslar Znel
Exegesis Aerospace GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 02:00:00 -
[442]
Originally by: Dianabolic
Way to win friends and influence people?
Influence people... you mean like CCP devs? Man, if only we had played this game the way BoB thinks we should, we could also have GMs in our pockets.
Guys, guys, we screwed up. We should have been kissing ass this whole time instead of playing the game.
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Bu Jinkan
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 02:01:00 -
[443]
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Bu Jinkan I thought this was all overblown until Rebellion and you came out and admitted that you really do talk to the dev teams and have special lines that we don't.
Of course you didn't.
And, if you guys for one minute tried to engage with the community rather than turn it in to your (self coined phrase) "goons in space" you may actually get that kind of contact. As it is you pull stunts like this.
Way to win friends and influence people?
1. I'm not "you guys." I'm a GS member who likes to play eve.
2. Are you sharing developer MSNs now? Are we supposed to suck up to developers so we can get their ear? Is there a "developer friend" lottery? Will they hire more developers so we can all get our very own?
We're not playing this game to influence the devs. You don't get to talk privately with the referee when you don't like a call.
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Dranoel
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Posted - 2007.05.26 02:01:00 -
[444]
When I GM in other games, I like to help my fiends out. But when you are running a business, and a game with this many players, such things should not happen. People pay to play this game, you are providing a service.
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Poolpy
dev zero
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Posted - 2007.05.26 02:01:00 -
[445]
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Bu Jinkan I thought this was all overblown until Rebellion and you came out and admitted that you really do talk to the dev teams and have special lines that we don't.
Of course you didn't.
And, if you guys for one minute tried to engage with the community rather than turn it in to your (self coined phrase) "goons in space" you may actually get that kind of contact. As it is you pull stunts like this.
Way to win friends and influence people?
Liek influence isd/ccp ? =))
ps. I love the dichotomy eve playerbase -> {goon , rest of community}. Like goonfleet isn't part of the community...
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Foopadoo
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Posted - 2007.05.26 02:01:00 -
[446]
Originally by: Dianabolic
And, if you guys for one minute tried to engage with the community rather than turn it in to your (self coined phrase) "goons in space" you may actually get that kind of contact.
Apparently they didn't know the community they were supposed to engage with was the dev community
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Wrayeth
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.05.26 02:02:00 -
[447]
Originally by: Dark Shikari Local never exceeded 500 in F-TE, as far as I know.
The cap was a myth made up by the Coalition.
No, it was not. I was there, and it most definitely exceeded 500, though some people's local count didn't update properly due to lag.
Quote: Yes, the lag was absolutely absurd, but there was no cap as anyone who got in the system can tell you.
I was in the system in a phoenix dreadnought, so I don't need someone else to tell me. Moreover, my corpmates who were in fleet BS COULD NOT JUMP IN - not due to lag, but because the system had reached maximum capacity. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire
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Virtuoso DeToure
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 02:02:00 -
[448]
Edited by: Virtuoso DeToure on 26/05/2007 02:01:16
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Virtuoso DeToure Edited by: Virtuoso DeToure on 26/05/2007 01:55:34
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Virtuoso DeToure
Originally by: Rebellion The goon rage for the sake of righteousness would be believable if you showed equal outrage at your leadership making real money profit from your time cards.
As your buddy said earlier. "Proof or STFU."
Apparently all you need to do is ask the IRS, that's easier for you to do than it is for us, enjoy.
Nice try. The IRS doesn't care if that money is used for things to benefit the alliance (forums, Teamspeak, killboard, Wiki, etc.) or Remedial's pocket. I can tell you for a fact that Remedial has never made money off GTC sales.
But you already knew that, being "spymaster" and all.
Actually it does, it's an "income". Which is also why your new ceo, The Mittani, posted the "we're ass broke" thread.
Crying much?
Both examples get flagged as "income," thus my point. X dollars a month gets made through affiliate programs, that same X dollars a month goes towards Goonfleet infrastructure (forums, etc, etc). No profit is made by anyone. Not Remedial, not Mittani. Would you like me to do the basic math for you?
Supporting a community of 4,000+ players is not free. In fact, it's quite expensive. But again, you already knew that. ;)
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Elmo Noguchi
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Posted - 2007.05.26 02:02:00 -
[449]
Originally by: Rebellion
If you don't like CCP or EVE, then don't play the game. No need to act like a spoiled brat and demand special treatment from a company that you've tried your best to blackmail and ruin.
So you dare to talk about how goons shouldn't demand special treatment when other members of your alliance talk about how they get special treatment and it isn't a big deal?
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Angelus Damelon
Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.05.26 02:02:00 -
[450]
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Bu Jinkan I thought this was all overblown until Rebellion and you came out and admitted that you really do talk to the dev teams and have special lines that we don't.
Of course you didn't.
And, if you guys for one minute tried to engage with the community rather than turn it in to your (self coined phrase) "goons in space" you may actually get that kind of contact. As it is you pull stunts like this.
Way to win friends and influence people?
1) People who don't buddy up to developers, moderators, GMs, and the Eve public at large deserve to be left at a disadvantage?
2) Goons are far from the only alliance who cannot call devs/mods/GMs their "friends," or have them on MSN. Your alliance is apparently the exception, not the rule.
Nice attempt to sidestep with more character attacks to deflect attention here though. It's not getting old at all.
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