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Vio Geraci Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 23:24:00 - [2191] Originally by: Tholarim but why announce it in local? So ppl could go ape** about it like now and find out? makes sense to you? seems a little ****** to me, but hey, the goons say it is so! He was "kidding on the square".
Prall Grosserbauch GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 23:26:00 - [2192] Edited by: Prall Grosserbauch on 26/05/2007 23:25:39 Edited by: Prall Grosserbauch on 26/05/2007 23:24:57 Originally by: Tholarim yeh favouritism in a game ppl pay for is bad. But with ccp's hands on approach regarding to game development they put themselves at risk as is shown here. The problem is that ppl like the goons are blatantly exploiting that risk for some perverted sense of justice. While in reality there is no proof anything out of the ordinary happend. Actually for most of us in the game being able to contact developers via MSN to sort out any problems we have in the game is pretty out of the ordinary. Originally by: Tholarim so the 5 lines of local chat are your proof? don't make me laugh harder. The proof would be that very shortly after those 5 lines in local a developer completely unrelated to the incident appeared in the ISD channel to chastise the ISD member accused of bumping BoB dreads.
Nighlighted Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.05.26 23:26:00 - [2193] Originally by: Popsikle Originally by: Nighlighted Originally by: Popsikle Originally by: Vio Geraci I'd appreciate it if Arkanon could address the real scandal here. The DS1 issue isn't nearly as important as ISD's job security existing at the pleasure of BoB. Its pretty simple see. As a reporter you HAVE to leave if someone asks you to. Its part of the agreement and paperwork you have to read when you take the job (the letter says the guys didnt read it, or didnt return it or something). If you disrupt players you get a warning, do it again you get fired. If you talk smack to someone in local about it, you get banned real quick. The reporters are not to be disrespectful to the players ever. It doesnt really matter how BoB contacted the staff, either by petitions, MSN, phone, email, whatever means they have to get a disruptive ISD member out of the way. MSN is faster then petitions, just like spamming gaming forums to the point people take them down is faster then emailing people to get your point across right? So I should by your logic be able to contact a GM out of game through MSN and get someone spamming me to buy isk to stop. #eve-chaos on irc.coldfront.net you can catch dev's and GM's in there most of the time, now you too can contact them whenever you want. Wasnt that simple? Well other then from the report it was on MSN... So your saying all the Goons had to do was give this complaint to the GMs in the chat room and all of this could of been avoided? I'll remember that the next time I receive a tell advertising isk for money. All other things aside, I don't think the Devs want us to petition them outside of the game, beg for stuff from them, and flame them in the IRC chat room. For official business players should use the petition system, thats why its there in the first place. Anything else, leads us to this situation here where it's possible to have people in major trouble, and only one side of the story that has any evidence. Hence why IA is looking into these complaints.
Richard Johannson	Posted - 2007.05.26 23:28:00 - [2194] Raven 415: lets see proof of the bannings how about posting with your main... lol, you are the man raven415! I have no alt, and my main was deleted as a guy ask: why are the forums down? I answered: because an open letter from the goonfleet to CCP, thats all. 10 Sec later my account was deleted. Without warning, without explaination. I am on a trial, downloaded today. So how can i post with a banned char? lol, fool
Hrin Minmatar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.05.26 23:30:00 - [2195] Originally by: Tholarim Originally by: Victor Vision Originally by: Tholarim Originally by: Victor Vision Originally by: Tholarim On a discussion note. Does any1 actually believe orange species would tell any1 in local the minute he was contacting a gm on msn? If he even had the ability to do so? You guys really have all gone so far of the deep end you can't even see straight cus of your blind hate for an alliance that beat most of you ingame here or there. Well, if you have a direct connection to the devs via MSN, it would be tempting to use it from time to time for in-game matters, would it not? but why announce it in local? So ppl could go ape** about it like now and find out? makes sense to you? seems a little ****** to me, but hey, the goons say it is so! I take it you agree that the MSN connection would be tempting to use for in-game matters, since you did not say it would not be. On your question: I do not know if OS announced this in local or not. But I do know what Diana posted in this thread. I honestly thought he was out of his mind to openly post this here. Maybe OS had a similar momentary lapse of reason? In the end I hope you agree that favoritism is not a good thing, and the neccessary steps should be taken to prevent this from happening. Actually most of the EVE playerbase as well as most of CCP will probably agree on this. I think most of us in this thread have the common grounds that we love EVE. Lets work together to end any unfair advantages that may or may not be given to anyone. yeh favouritism in a game ppl pay for is bad. But with ccp's hands on approach regarding to game development they put themselves at risk as is shown here. The problem is that ppl like the goons are blatantly exploiting that risk for some perverted sense of justice. While in reality there is no proof anything out of the ordinary happend. There is proof enough for an investigation. The goons want an even playing field. Why does BoB hate that? Why must so many of BoB + company attack GS for making this issue public where it can get the attention it deserves. IF you had your way, this would never have seen the light of day and it would be cheating as normal. This is justice, and not just for Goonswarm, but everyone. I'm sorry if this is against your sense of entitlement. This thread and allegations do nothing for GS in-game, but keep the devs honest about their involvement.
Bartholomeus Crane	Posted - 2007.05.26 23:30:00 - [2196] Originally by: Miang Hawwa Many persons that answered to this topic are quite troublesome. There's nothing else to discuss here for what I care. CCP is investigating the issue and the problem is solved. I don't know what you're looking for here besides complainning. We already know what happened, we already know how it's been solved, we already know the responsible is being punished, yet you keep blabbing misserably. Go back play EVE so you can spend your time better than this. If you're so bothered by it, why don't you go back to play EVE and stop bothering us with your head-in-the-sand attitude? It'd save us the trouble of having to decipher your posts ... --
Aphotic Raven Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.26 23:33:00 - [2197] Someone just told me that their alt was banned for accidentally linking this new barrel of fun in a public channel... Is this true? Does CCP really intend to just wave the banstick to keep people in line? Once upon a time i would have had a hard time believing this, but now... well, which one of you do we call ****. Please confirm or deny whether free speech is now a legitimately bannable offense. Originally by:** Dr Cupid Let me tell you all that I'm really enjoying eve-beta, and can't wait for the real game to come out!
Elspeth Vigneron Caldari Phoenix Logistics Industries	Posted - 2007.05.26 23:34:00 - [2198] Originally by: Rebellion Originally by: Dalaakita Vendro Oh, and CCP, I hope you're not counting on keeping your income once Age of Conan / PotbS come out because son the only goddamn reason a lot of people are playing EVE is because of the cutthroat PvP, and once there's a competitor for that with a, you know, level playing field (and that isn't ten years old I'm looking at you UO), you nordic motherfuckers is screwed. Why so much anger? CCP doesn't force you to play EVE. Give me back my money. I wouldn't have started playing if I knew CCP was cheating. Now I feel ripped off, having paid for two accounts for 6 months only to find out that I was never going to be allowed to have a chance. Not that I didn't have a chance. But that I was never going to be allowed to have a chance. Phoenix Logistics Industries
Jareth Siann	Posted - 2007.05.26 23:34:00 - [2199] Sadly with all of this now coming to light, I distinctly remember an aurora event where MC was paid to stop an inferior force from hijacking a Charon loaded with Zyd , amusingly, MC had all three routes camped heavily. Since MC is a bob alt corp.. kinda makes you wonder. Just how much did MC get paid by aurora for that operation? Maybe that nice charon freighter full of zyd? ... naaahhhh never happen. Right? BUt this really does need to be addressed, and having a hotline to ccp via out of game mechanics is kind of disturbing if found true. oh well.. so much for rp.. now back to the pew pew.
bloody johnroberts Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.05.26 23:36:00 - [2200] if these alligations are true then it is a sad day for eve. part of me hopes its all a misunderstanding. i dont care what bob or goon have to say in the matter i want the truth for the player base to be able to trust the devs again. if these issues with msn contact is untrue why have we not had a statement from orange species telling us his story of the facts
Tholarim Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.26 23:39:00 - [2201] Originally by: bloody johnroberts if these alligations are true then it is a sad day for eve. part of me hopes its all a misunderstanding. i dont care what bob or goon have to say in the matter i want the truth for the player base to be able to trust the devs again. if these issues with msn contact is untrue why have we not had a statement from orange species telling us his story of the facts You honestly think any1 here would believe anything he said if it wasn't exactly what the goons wanted to hear? nah we'll get our fun out of taking goon stations ingame.
Prall Grosserbauch GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 23:43:00 - [2202] Originally by: Tholarim You honestly think any1 here would believe anything he said if it wasn't exactly what the goons wanted to hear? nah we'll get our fun out of taking goon stations ingame. Could you please take the CAOD-level smacking to CAOD?
Shadow Elk	Posted - 2007.05.26 23:44:00 - [2203] Originally by: Miang Hawwa Many persons that answered to this topic are quite troublesome. There's nothing else to discuss here for what I care. CCP is investigating the issue and the problem is solved. I don't know what you're looking for here besides complainning. We already know what happened, we already know how it's been solved, we already know the responsible is being punished, yet you keep blabbing misserably. Go back play EVE so you can spend your time better than this. Move along, nothing to see here? "Many persons that answered to this topic are quite troublesome." Ofcourse they are, thats why the BoBsters are out doing "Proof or STFU", "Leave and let us play the game like we want" and "So what if we got personal contact with devs and gm's, you can all chat with them in the public channels" kinds of stuffs. Until there is a belivable report from CCP about whay has and hasnt happened this thread is very much alive. ^-^
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.05.26 23:45:00 - [2204] Originally by: Tholarim Originally by: bloody johnroberts if these alligations are true then it is a sad day for eve. part of me hopes its all a misunderstanding. i dont care what bob or goon have to say in the matter i want the truth for the player base to be able to trust the devs again. if these issues with msn contact is untrue why have we not had a statement from orange species telling us his story of the facts You honestly think any1 here would believe anything he said if it wasn't exactly what the goons wanted to hear? nah we'll get our fun out of taking goon stations ingame. Thats it... like every other bob member... "If you hate us so much take us on IN the game" Bit of a rich message when, again and again, the deck is shown to be stacked against us. No need for msn, just link this post in alliance chat and get me moderated.
MegaNewb	Posted - 2007.05.26 23:48:00 - [2205] Edited by: MegaNewb on 26/05/2007 23:47:03 http://images.redial.net/goons_forum.JPG
Stahlregen GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 23:48:00 - [2206] Edited by: Stahlregen on 26/05/2007 23:51:46 Originally by: Tholarim Originally by: Vozzek Originally by: Tholarim i hear alot about logs. let's see them then.Must be some damn convincing proof. We posted them? Not my problem if you can't be bothered to read them. so the 5 lines of local chat are your proof? don't make me laugh harder. You are squabbling with alts and trolls while sitting back, laughing and going on about how much of a good time you are having all the while fruitlessly hand waving, ad hominem attacking freaking everything and trying to drown everyone's logic with stupid. Hey dude, Now i know this thread might be a bit confusing, seeing as how for some incomprehensible reason the majority of posters in it aren't pandering to your counter-propaganda, because newsflash, it's illogical and everyone has already agreed that your team sucks at debating. You were trolled like eighty pages back right in the OP, You fell for it and responded. The beauty of the troll is compounded by the fact that here you are, 80 pages later still squabbling with alts and trolls, laughing at them laughing at you, laughing at them, laughing at you, laughing at them. You are not enjoying yourself, It's painfully obvious by the way you are stabbing wildly at every lurking shadow of disent against the matrimony between CCP and certain alliances all the while keeping you distracted and ultimately unable of forming even a somewhat counter argument beyond "SOUR GRAPES LOL ******* LOL GOONS ARE NOOOBS SEE YOU IN SPACE HAAAAAAAAAAH!" You've been had chief.
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.05.26 23:58:00 - [2207] Edited by: Victor Vision on 26/05/2007 23:59:49 Originally by: Tholarim Originally by: Victor Vision Originally by: Tholarim Originally by: Victor Vision Originally by: Tholarim On a discussion note. Does any1 actually believe orange species would tell any1 in local the minute he was contacting a gm on msn? If he even had the ability to do so? You guys really have all gone so far of the deep end you can't even see straight cus of your blind hate for an alliance that beat most of you ingame here or there. Well, if you have a direct connection to the devs via MSN, it would be tempting to use it from time to time for in-game matters, would it not? but why announce it in local? So ppl could go ape** about it like now and find out? makes sense to you? seems a little ****** to me, but hey, the goons say it is so! I take it you agree that the MSN connection would be tempting to use for in-game matters, since you did not say it would not be. On your question: I do not know if OS announced this in local or not. But I do know what Diana posted in this thread. I honestly thought he was out of his mind to openly post this here. Maybe OS had a similar momentary lapse of reason? In the end I hope you agree that favoritism is not a good thing, and the neccessary steps should be taken to prevent this from happening. Actually most of the EVE playerbase as well as most of CCP will probably agree on this. I think most of us in this thread have the common grounds that we love EVE. Lets work together to end any unfair advantages that may or may not be given to anyone. yeh favouritism in a game ppl pay for is bad. But with ccp's hands on approach regarding to game development they put themselves at risk as is shown here. The problem is that ppl like the goons are blatantly exploiting that risk for some perverted sense of justice. While in reality there is no proof anything out of the ordinary happend. You might be surprised to hear that I agree that some have been pushing a bit too far with what they posted in this thread. This concerns many posts from all sides unfortunatly. Still I think an investigation makes sense, as well as an open discussion, within the boundaries of good manners and decency of course. The main problem I currently see is how CCP can restore trust lost. You know, I have been playing EVE for close to 4 years now. I understand friendships between players and devs developed. Especially looking at the almost private atmosphere EVE had in the beginning, it seemed natural and right for this to happen in the early stages of EVE. It also seemed right the devs were joining in the fun on TQ. Verone said earlier in this thread he misses the atmosphere of EVE in those days. I honestly do as well. But EVE has changed. Many more people are playing EVE today. To them, the friendships of some in EVE to the devs seem like a possibility for an unfair advantage, same goes for devs playing on TQ. I think the post by Malloc Memrel sums up the concerns fairly well, and also points to possible solutions. I personally am still hesitant to say devs should not play on TQ though. They made this wonderfull game and should enjoy it. This is what my heart says. But my logic tells me that devs playing on TQ obviously can cause problems, and unfortunatly has done so (t20). On the issue of the MSN, I have a very clear opinion. MSN for out of game matters is ok. But MSN for in-game matters is just plain wrong. The problem we now face is HOW can be ensured that a) devs dont cheat b) MSN is only used for out of game matters c) favoritism to any one side, or any players is prevented d) trust is restored That is the challenge. EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)
Casper Ozymandias	Posted - 2007.05.27 00:00:00 - [2208] Edited by: Casper Ozymandias on 27/05/2007 00:00:22 Originally by: MegaNewb Edited by: MegaNewb on 26/05/2007 23:47:03 http://images.redial.net/goons_forum.JPG Yeah.. We know man. It's a threadnought. HURF BLURF WHAT'S A THREADNOUGHT GUYZ?
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.27 00:00:00 - [2209] Quote: #eve-chaos on irc.coldfront.net you can catch dev's and GM's in there most of the time, now you too can contact them whenever you want. Knowing where to find them is irrelevant. There should not be publicly accessible chat channels for players to interact with CCP employees...period. We have forums. If something needs discussing keep it transparent. Let everyone be able to access the information given and comment if necessary. If the CCP folks want to have a private CCP only chat to shoot the breeze or what not fine...but there should not be a place to "ring up a dev". Human nature shines through loud and clear with EVE as to why Devs should not be on any basis with players other than professional. T20 should have ended all discussion on the matter. CCP has some serious professional conduct problems that regardless of what did or did not take place in this example need addressing and need it now. Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and All Around Major Idiot
Bi Tor	Posted - 2007.05.27 00:00:00 - [2210] So I have a question. Are all of the ISK and all of the advantages gained by the admitted elicited contacts going to be removed from the game? Does this mean that the greater portion of BoB's ISK and Much of its assets need to be destroyed in place? That this also applies to MC because BoB fed them so many credits over the duration of their current contract. What about all of the credits given out to BoBÆs pet corporations. The Illegal contacts are/were a violation of the EULA and have damaged the game play of many people not just the poor suckers that got steam rolled like ASCN and the others getting it now. What is to be done for the victims inside BoB and friendÆs that have no clue that they are being cheated of a true victory? I think the real question is how does CCP respond to the fact that it has been publicly started that at least 2 high ranking members of BoB have direct out of game contact with the Development Team. In either case CCP is going to take damage; 1.If it fires the Developer for inappropriate behavior, they potentially delay one or more projects that the individual was working on. Also there is a potential for more scandal like this as more info become public. 2.If they destroy the illegally acquired credits and those items developed from them and any credits or assets disbursed, just as if this was any other violation of the EULA, then they will anger their friends/Co-workers in BoB and potentially lose consumers. 3.They can do nothing and **** off the little guys like us. A few of us may even quit over an issue like this one. In any case CCP will do the thing that does the least amount of short term damage, they are a corporation after all. However, I will say this, I am very saddened by these events. It makes me wonder if it is even possible to compete in this game. Sadly I have friends on all sides, East, West and North, and this shows that it was never possible for many of them to have a fair fight. Well the fights were never fair at the Alliance level. Good luck guy if you are fighting BoB and Friends I guess the cheat worst than the NPCÆs do. Bite Me! Bi`Tor
Aramark Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.27 00:00:00 - [2211] how long can this go on? --------------------------------------------------- "Roses are red, Violets are blue, I'm a developer, are you one too?"
Nazdarovie Minmatar Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.27 00:01:00 - [2212] Edited by: Nazdarovie on 27/05/2007 00:00:37 So can we all have Devs msn addys? Or is it limited to Band Of Developers only? Don't use your signature to troll. -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])
Richard Johannson	Posted - 2007.05.27 00:02:00 - [2213] MegaNewsb, what would you do if the first,polite,constructive post is deleted within seconds, don't care and go to bed ?
Bartholomeus Crane	Posted - 2007.05.27 00:03:00 - [2214] Originally by: MegaNewb Edited by: MegaNewb on 26/05/2007 23:47:03 http://images.redial.net/goons_forum.JPG Yeah, we know. It's called trolling. Mostly done by BoD-alts. --
Shadow Elk	Posted - 2007.05.27 00:04:00 - [2215] Originally by: Nazdarovie Edited by: Nazdarovie on 27/05/2007 00:00:37 So can we all have Devs msn addys? Or is it limited to Band Of Developers only? You need to have been playing for atleast 3 years and have OMG Firends trained to lvl 3 for GM msn and lvl 5 for Dev MSN.
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.27 00:06:00 - [2216] Originally by: Victor Vision Edited by: Victor Vision on 26/05/2007 22:46:41 Originally by: HankMurphy ...what you guys is a little past 'messenger' in fact, totally uncalled for comes to mind... Hank, since you are posting a lot in this thread - just to clear things up a bit on where you stand: Do you endorse favoritism by devs towards certain alliances or not? Do you concider a 'direct connect' via MSN to devs, that a few seem to have, favoritism - if that connection is used for in-game matters? Just like from the BoB posters, I am not realy expecting an answer from you. But would be interesting to hear your point of view on this. i got stuck at work this holiday... so i'm hittin the forums absolutely not. i don't endorse favoritism in any way. ppl may think i'm a bob lackey, but i used to fight against bob! wasn't until i (and my corp) fell in love with our hatred towards RA that we picked this side of the war. do i consider the MSN stuff a bit iffy? I'd be quick to say yes actually. But, in a game of this size, after so many years, many contacts are made. You cant demonize someone because of who they know, only their actions. How do you then draw the line to inappropriate here? Anything relating to in-game matters? Nah. I kinda like the idea someone has a dev's ear when things in game are not going as they should. "yo, your node crashed" , "hey, you got a volunteer isd guy harassing a capital fleet and refusing to leave". These things i would consider appropriate. ... naturally its inappropriate if they are receiving some type of in-game advantage. In this incident, did bob somehow receive some unfair advantage via this contact? No. There was a dumb isd reporter that was refusing to leave an active combat fleet as they are supposed to. He needed to be canned and he was. They could have easily used many other channels/mediums to relay this. The MSN was probably the quickest and easiest. Doesn't make it proper, but it doesn't make it criminal. I agree bob and anyone else should have to go through the same channels as the rest of this community for something like this! 110%. But again, in this case, nothing was used for any type of in-game advantage, so i dont buy the 'bob devHAXsploit!' crap. Bob could have done things differently. I'm sure after this they (and MANY others) will be forced to from here on. ------------------ Goons also could have done things VERY differently as well! I think their demonizing of CCP and spamming of every forum on the internet is only hurting this community and this game. As they so obviously intend. This (and the POS incident) is hardly worthy of the witch hunt and slander goons are trying to fuel right now. Justifying borderline criminal actions they deployed against the website when they get in a tizzy? *Remember, they were ordered by their leadership to come in here and spam spam spam till the site crashed. Shameful. I cant imagine being associated with ppl like this. Two wrongs hardly make a right despite whatever rhetoric they can come up with. We never saw anything of this caliber before goons came to eve. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to see the ill effects this crap has on our entire community. It really does suck for everyone when ppl are running around the internet screaming CCP is totally corrupt and rigging their game. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out they are straight bitter about losing this war. They goin down and they want to take as much with them as possible while providing a self fueled forum riot to help them save face. Blurring what happened here with the last black eye CCP got from dev misconduct and any other accusations they can drum up. "Bob cheats! They have MSN! We woulda won the war if they didn't get that ISD guy fired. We woulda won the war if that dev didn't fix that pos!" If you aren't familiar with the goons, now you know what they are all about
G Barker	Posted - 2007.05.27 00:07:00 - [2217] I find this to be a sad posting. I read repeatedly where BoB members are trying to goad people into posting with primary characters instead of alts, like posting with an alt means that you lack courage. The fact is, there have been mass bannings by CCP in order to try and cover this up. Therefore, people are forced to post with alts in order to prevent bannings. Are they being banned for saying excessive swearing? No! Are they being banned for posting dirty pictures? No! Why are they being banned? For stepping forward and pointing out CCP's unethical behaviour. That's why they're getting banned. I was pretty angry after the T20 scandal. I was stunned that he wasn't fired. I'm still stunned that he wasn't fired. CCP created a new IA division. Oh, boy. Great fix CCP. CCP staff can not play this game with other players and expect to maintain a level playing field. CCP employees can not make friends with an alliance in this game and remain unbiased. No one could. It's just not within the capabilities of human nature. That's why game developers in any other MMO on the net, developers do not play with paying customers! It's an unethical action. You can't do that! I'm cancelling both of my accounts. And the only way that I will ever come back to EVE, is if CCP sells it to a company that can run it without interfering. CCP is obiously not capable of running an MMO, and they will never, ever, get my business again. Oh, and one more thing. I've never been in contact with any member of GS, BoB, or the developers. I'm completely outside the situation in aspects except that I am an EVE player. For all of you who are criticizing GS for spamming the forum, consider this. If CCP hadn't started the mass bannings and message board deletions to try and shut them up, they wouldn't have had to use such a drastic measure. GS was doing what they had to do to bring truth to the playerbase. CCP was trying to use brute force to shut them up. CCP, I hope you're business is in bankruptcy by the end of the month. To anyone who doesn't quit after this, you deserve what you get.
Jeval Met'markand	Posted - 2007.05.27 00:09:00 - [2218] People are forgetting that Raekhan was already in violation of CCP's (or any other corporation's) employment policy by not submitting his paperwork in full. That is reason enough to fire someone on it's own. He also posted in a public channel during a battle, after admitting he was within a foot of another ship, 70km is nothing, we all know that. I haven't been here very long, so maybe I'm a step back from you all who have been playing for months or years, but IMHO, anyone writing from the perspective of a fired employee is not necessarily to be trusted completely, whether they were wronged or not. The bottom line is, CCP exists to make money. When it's players are upset, they stop playing and paying for memberships, and the company makes less money. Not only is there no better way to get back at CCP than raising exactly this kind of ruckus, but CCP has all the motivation in the world to correct the problem and deal with it accordingly. When publicity is the only thing that can interrupt the flow of new players into the game, and cause older players to quit, it makes perfect sense that part of damage control is limiting what is posted/published on the subject. Simply because a petition was not responded to, or a post was deleted, or an email ignored does not mean they are trying to hide or ignore the problem, it means they don't want to start any more rumors than there already are. Silence is an open invitation to talk and vent, but a single poorly-worded sentence can do far more harm, even when the intent is to placate. You cannot hold corporations to the same moral expectations as individuals. They are not individuals. So be patient.
Jareth Siann	Posted - 2007.05.27 00:12:00 - [2219] Originally by: Shadow Elk Originally by: Nazdarovie Edited by: Nazdarovie on 27/05/2007 00:00:37 So can we all have Devs msn addys? Or is it limited to Band Of Developers only? You need to have been playing for atleast 3 years and have OMG Firends trained to lvl 3 for GM msn and lvl 5 for Dev MSN. OMG now see that is funny
Stahlregen GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.27 00:13:00 - [2220] Originally by: Jeval Met'markand People are forgetting that Raekhan was already in violation of CCP's (or any other corporation's) employment policy by not submitting his paperwork in full. That is reason enough to fire someone on it's own. He also posted in a public channel during a battle, after admitting he was within a foot of another ship, 70km is nothing, we all know that. I haven't been here very long, so maybe I'm a step back from you all who have been playing for months or years, but IMHO, anyone writing from the perspective of a fired employee is not necessarily to be trusted completely, whether they were wronged or not. The bottom line is, CCP exists to make money. When it's players are upset, they stop playing and paying for memberships, and the company makes less money. Not only is there no better way to get back at CCP than raising exactly this kind of ruckus, but CCP has all the motivation in the world to correct the problem and deal with it accordingly. When publicity is the only thing that can interrupt the flow of new players into the game, and cause older players to quit, it makes perfect sense that part of damage control is limiting what is posted/published on the subject. Simply because a petition was not responded to, or a post was deleted, or an email ignored does not mean they are trying to hide or ignore the problem, it means they don't want to start any more rumors than there already are. Silence is an open invitation to talk and vent, but a single poorly-worded sentence can do far more harm, even when the intent is to placate. You cannot hold corporations to the same moral expectations as individuals. They are not individuals. So be patient. Welp, Looks like you missed the entire point of the thread, go read the last 80 pages and try again.

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