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Summer River	Posted - 2007.05.26 03:51:00 - [61] Originally by: Speedy Banana It's called mathematics and common sense. The problem with common sense is that sense never ain't common - Lazarus Long Thankyou for admiably demonstrating that for us. Quote: Being suacide ganked does not imply that I'm stupid, especially since I didn't even know stuff like that happens. No, that does not indicate you are stupid. Assuming that any area of space is safe and flying an indy using the autopilot indicate you are stupid. Haven't you noticed those peeps flying round with that funny orange background in the overview? That means they have bad little peeps and have a negative security rating. You cannot get a negative security by killing NPC which means?...... yes, they gank people. Maybe in empire, maybe not. Quote: Maybe if something like that was mentioned in the new player guide it would have helped. Sorry, I was kind of under the impression that SECURE space, was actually secure. CONCORD does it's best. and I believe the "security" ranking relates to 1, the number of station and sentry guns, the rats one may encounter and location of said rats and 3 whether concord actually comes at all. It has no relationship at all as to what players will attempt to do. Quote: Would have been nice if getting killed by concord because you are an ahole would invalidate your insurance, but hey, I guess trying to eliminate exploits and griefing that makes people unsubscribe is not on CCP's priority list. What exploit? You flew a indy filled with all your worldly posessions using autopilot. They suicide ganked you. If you had actually been playing the game correct by using the "Warp to 0" you would not have lost or your shiny little doodads and thingamebobs. Did you not read the forums when you firsdt signed up? First thing I did and I saw straight away that high security does not mean no-one will attack you. Oh, and by the way, don't let the doorknob hit you in the ass on the way out the door.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.26 03:51:00 - [62] please dont quit we need guys like you ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Dufas Amarr Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:40:00 - [63] Edited by: Dufas on 26/05/2007 04:40:05 Getting hit in hi sec is a fact of life..it happened to me twice carrying 3 bill in capital bp's...same guy same system ... and as long as ccp says its part of the game cause he lost his ship to concord and his buddy picked up the free billions in loot it will continue..u just have to fly smart..dont quit just learn from your mistakes and how the game is played...soon as i fiqure it out i'll let u know
Korizan Oort Cloud Industries	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:48:00 - [64] Edited by: Korizan on 26/05/2007 04:47:42 Originally by: Speedy Banana I put 150 mil isk worth of parts on my hauler, and auto pilot it to agil through secure space, only to get ganked in high sec by a few battleships while their friend in a hauler waited to loot my wreck. That was basically all the money I had. The idiots who did this lost more money in battleships then I had on my ship in cargo, but it doesn't matter to them since 100 mil loss each (x3) isn't anything for them. Now I'm left with 4 mil isk, which is like starting over with a trial account. I lost all the money I made since I subscribed to this game (2 weeks). Great way to keep your customers paying CCP. Would have helped if there was a warning somewhere about stupid crap like this happening, as it's not obvious to somebody who just purchased the game. 4 Weeks of play and 150 Mil + a hauling ship you did good. Hauler are the most paper shelled thing out there even in high sec. I am not sure why they bothered with 3 BS's I think that was even overkill. As other have said. No AFK hauling. Don't run during peak hours. Don't pack you hauler full of goods. And if you want to continue to just haul goods get out of the T1 haulers and get a T2 hauler they are much harder to take down. Don't give up though, as this will not be the last ship you lose. And gankers don't always make a profit some of them do it just because they are bored. THat is the unfortunite side of a PVP game.
Roue Rush Industries	Posted - 2007.05.26 04:53:00 - [65] Every time I've left an alliance or large group in EVE I've pretty much started over with noob ships and 5mil ISK or less. Only one exception. Better luck next time
Letheeth Kayl Amarr Chosen Path FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:07:00 - [66] Edited by: Letheeth Kayl on 26/05/2007 05:08:36 2 weeks ago I lost my rl job, I lost my other RL job, then I lost my armageddon (the insurance thingy lapsed on it the day before), then I lost my apocalypse. In a boneheaded move, I tried to move through a known gate camp with a flimsly frigate with about 50mil worth of crap in it. AND my corp and allaince moved while I was distracted, leaving me stranded . . . All in all I'd say I lost about 300milion and 75% of my personal fleet's firepower. I think my week was worse than yours. :-P I rebuilt my armageddon, borrowed the money to buy a new apocalypse, and scrapped the bottom of my loot barrel to buy a pilgrim. I got a new job as a clerk at Savemart, and I'm picking up this crazy gig as a door to door sales person {begin shameless plug} (buy Cutco (tm) knives, they is awesome){/end shameless plug} You get over it or you don't, happens in real life, and it happens in game. Are you sure you're not one of those whiney people who always ask 'why does this always happen to me?' Just remember, "No matter how stupendous, or fantastic your failures or success, there are approximately 1 billion people in India that really don't give a {insert 4 letter word beginning with F and ending with UK plus a C}!" Those are good words to live by. :-D Edit: I'm more afraid of secure space than I am of low sec or null sec. (1) concord doesn't like me, and (2) my guards always down as I have a tendancy to fly around in an interceptor or shuttle Put down the mirror and return to live With pain With sin With despair Live with penance in God's glory Lesson of Tobias and the Mirror Scriptures Verses26-29
Buyerr	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:14:00 - [67] Originally by: Phil Carter Can i have you stuff aswell as all other stuff ingame from ppl who don't want to play anymore and start of a "i hate CCP" thread in the forums? well i will give you a free kick in the head with metal boots for such a freaking PIIIP PIPPIP comment, YOUR A WASTED OF AIR GO LAY DOWN AND DON'T BREATH!
CrestoftheStars Perkone	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:15:00 - [68] hmm well it's stupid because it IS an exsploit that people use, so i really don't see why it is a problem to ban all parties that was helping with this?! long life the intellect of ccp ;D ___________________________________________ Humans take everything that is beautiful and sweet and turn it into something horrifying and ugly.
Dal Thrax Caldari Multiverse Corporation The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:16:00 - [69] Originally by: Cammulos Highsec does not guarantee the immortality of your ship, just the eventuality that anyone who attacks you in highsec will lose theirs. Its a PvP game after-all, so... don't be daft mmmk. I think the OP pointed out that the possibility of suicide ganking wasn't mentioned in the intro guide. So how's the op to know? Unless he reads the forum's he dosn't. I've played games in the past where the guards magically appeared at your location and 1 hit the aggressor BEFORE the first hit on the character was prossessed. It says it's safe. If the OP got ganked in 1.0 there's no reason he shouldn't have though that it was. Dal Do not mention "releasing the magic smoke" in relation to the TQ hardware. Trust me on this...
Shakuul Caldari The Imperial Commonwealth The Sundering	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:42:00 - [70] Things like this should be added to the new player experience. As soon as you purchase a hauler, CCP could have a warning window pop up explaining the dangers of hauling in high sec.
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:55:00 - [71] Originally by: Speedy Banana I put 150 mil isk worth of parts on my hauler, and auto pilot it to agil through secure space, only to get ganked in high sec by a few battleships while their friend in a hauler waited to loot my wreck. That was basically all the money I had. The idiots who did this lost more money in battleships then I had on my ship in cargo, but it doesn't matter to them since 100 mil loss each (x3) isn't anything for them. Now I'm left with 4 mil isk, which is like starting over with a trial account. I lost all the money I made since I subscribed to this game (2 weeks). Great way to keep your customers paying CCP. Would have helped if there was a warning somewhere about stupid crap like this happening, as it's not obvious to somebody who just purchased the game. wait... you made 150 mill in 2 weeks, and you're going to quit the game because you 'lost it all'? I don't know how long it took me to make my first 100 mill, but it sure wasn't in only a couple of weeks. Not very patient, are you? bye bye Originally by: Ductoris In any case I fully support the need for large diameter projectiles for Rodent disposal. Those little buggers are crafty.
Nickhastapee Maelstrom Crew	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:58:00 - [72] wait wait, you have been playing two weeks and accumulated 150 mil....I have been playing more than a year and dont really have that much, sounds like you got something going for you.
papamikeforthewin Amarr	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:13:00 - [73] Originally by: Letheeth Kayl Edited by: Letheeth Kayl on 26/05/2007 05:08:36 2 weeks ago I lost my rl job, I lost my other RL job, then I lost my armageddon (the insurance thingy lapsed on it the day before), then I lost my apocalypse. In a boneheaded move, I tried to move through a known gate camp with a flimsly frigate with about 50mil worth of crap in it. AND my corp and allaince moved while I was distracted, leaving me stranded . . . All in all I'd say I lost about 300milion and 75% of my personal fleet's firepower. I think my week was worse than yours. :-P I rebuilt my armageddon, borrowed the money to buy a new apocalypse, and scrapped the bottom of my loot barrel to buy a pilgrim. I got a new job as a clerk at Savemart, and I'm picking up this crazy gig as a door to door sales person {begin shameless plug} (buy Cutco (tm) knives, they is awesome){/end shameless plug} You get over it or you don't, happens in real life, and it happens in game. Are you sure you're not one of those whiney people who always ask 'why does this always happen to me?' Just remember, "No matter how stupendous, or fantastic your failures or success, there are approximately 1 billion people in India that really don't give a {insert 4 letter word beginning with F and ending with UK plus a C}!" Those are good words to live by. :-D Edit: I'm more afraid of secure space than I am of low sec or null sec. (1) concord doesn't like me, and (2) my guards always down as I have a tendancy to fly around in an interceptor or shuttle I can top it, tho I will loose all epeen in doing so Apart from RL gig of course. Last week I wandered into empire for the first time in about 3mths to do some cosmos missions. I lost the following... 1 T2 fitted, rigged Drake when I popped a can that wasnt mine (the dude gave me some free mission loot he didnt need- stupidly I popped the can out of habit)- CONCORDED! 1 T2 fitted, rigged Raven caught up on environment and couldnt warp out on a L4 mission 1 T2 fitted, rigged Drake to a low sec gatecamp within 15min of loosing above raven. 1 T2 fitted, rigged Raven when I decided Id had enough of empire- so I left for home in sweet 0.0. Again, jump into another gang that was in warp when my scout went through. 1 T2 fitted Helios w/cloak that I lost to lag while trying to load a gate grid- was in my clone vat before it loaded. 2 sets of +4 implants as well All told well over 700mil in the last week alone. Its been a rough week lol.
Horus Isis	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:40:00 - [74] Originally by: Speedy Banana Originally by: Sorum Daemoth actually, there are about 180,000 players not including trial accounts ( dont count those like WoW does) and not including eve china. and boo hoo to your ship sorry to say, suck it up and make back the money. No I think I'll just find another game to pay my monthly subscription to that is not built from the ground up on the concept of griefing people. go play WOW, you wont be missed
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:47:00 - [75] In response to the opening post: Eve is a HARSH game. While it might seem strange at first, it is Eves harshness that sets it appart and makes it, in a strange way, attractive. Once you learn the ropes of the game, you can move high value stuff through some very hostile space. I've moved some extreme cargos (in value, in size, and even both value and size) through some VERY hostile space. But as stated, when moving high value stuff, use the right ship, and dont be afk. Evn in empire 0.5+, use warp to 0km for every warp, even for 50 jump trips. My specialty in this game is getting in and out of dangerous space without dying, even if I am moving cargo. I have lost ships doing it, but rarely (and I've NEVER lost a ship when carrying a contracted cargo) It can be done, but you need to have a solid understanding of the threats you face, your own strengths and weaknesses, and above all, patience (unless you have a huge escort that can kill everything). But to succeed in Eve, you need to be able to die for STUPID reasons, and still get back up and continue working on the challenge you are facing (which includes the self honesty to know when to back off and try latter when you have more skill, or more friends, etc....) The reason I stress the need to be able to face "stupid" death with a smile is that much of the death in this game, even for hardened veterans, can be called stupid death. Assaulting an enemy through a gate, and dying before your screen loads happens. Some whine that it is a serious and stupid flaw that they die before their screen even loads (and they are right, but they are still whining). Others get a new ship and continue the fight.
Ares Lightfeather Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.26 07:00:00 - [76] Edited by: Ares Lightfeather on 26/05/2007 07:00:28 Originally by: Speedy Banana Ya gee, wonder why only 20,000 people online still even after all these years. Because they would have a lot mroe subscribers if only they dropped the griefer community, and created real consensual pvp. Other games of this quality have proven it. However, they do want to be a niche game, and it's basically one of the rare good space MMOG around. Therefore non-griefer people live with it waiting for another game to go out, or play another game. The forum is filled with stories about guys that got expelled from other MMORPG because they didn't understand the tolerance for griefing in eve is exceptionnally high. PS : I don't care about mass people though, I've have no problem playing a niche game, and actually enjoy the risks in eve.
Soulja Caldari Magnetar Ltd Dark Synergy	Posted - 2007.05.26 07:07:00 - [77] I am starting to question the mentality of people that just shout, 'don't AFK haul', 'use an alt to X' ...etc.. The problem with high sec suicide ganking is that its just plain wrong. Does anyone else see a similarity here. Those that... In eve: Hauler warps to a hi sec gate at 15km.. Hauler is scanned, popped by n of combat ship y, Hauler points out the injustice and the whole forum shouts abuse at the Hauler. must also be the ones that in real life follow the 'she deserved it' or the 'she was asking for it' for it mentality in stories of r/ape where the woman was wearing revealing clothes or were to drunk to resist. So there are two morals: Just because you can Doesn't mean you should!! When someone posts a 'OMG i been ganked thread' please don't reply in such r/etarded manner. (see any number of the 'its your fault' threads for examples of r/etarded responses) Thanks for your time.
Iron McFly CHAF tech	Posted - 2007.05.26 07:20:00 - [78] 9 Month char with no agent work ? How can a guy be in this game 9 months think AFK anything is safe ? Could have had Mercs gank himself just for attention and pity. Looks like a sad story for a hand-out. Anybody else get that feeling ? If Not: Post's above correct - If you want another 'Resurect for Free' game - go.
Scouteye Caldari	Posted - 2007.05.26 07:21:00 - [79] Some where on the hints and tips page , in the main player guide on eve-o it says quite clearly that "EVE Online is not an AFK game" being ganked in high sec is a REAL pain, i hate it, but yet, if i chose too, i could do excatly that to someone else as well. you got ganked, cool, go buy a BS and go gank someone else for even more ISK. you'll either feel better and justified for your moraly corupt actions or you'll feel all dirty but at the same time happy cos you now have even more ISK than you lost in the first place. thats the beauty of eve, no matter what someone does to you, you can, if you chose, do the same or worse back to them or someone else dont quit, have fun, make isk, go kill, go trade, go rip someone one off in a confidence scam, anything just dont fly afk
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp	Posted - 2007.05.26 07:21:00 - [80] Edited by: Plutoinum on 26/05/2007 07:21:38 The newbie-with-too-many-isk effect, it makes mistakes quite expensive. In the other hand, he knows how to make isk, so he's able to earn back the 100mil faster, than some other newbies, who are still in mission grinding or mining. Just because someone got rich faster than usual and became a prey for a suicider by that, before he was ready, doesn't mean that the game is broken. Remove the insurance payouts, if you get killed by concord and give newbies their warning message or tutorial lesson that high-sec isn't 100% safe and be done with it.
Kazuo Ishiguro	Posted - 2007.05.26 07:27:00 - [81] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 26/05/2007 07:26:38 Originally by: WhitePhantom How is it the fault of CCP that you didn't know about the risk of flying around on AP? I can sympathise with the OP. I think the tutorial does mention 'don't fly what you can't afford to lose' at least once, but a clarification along these lines would be very helpful to many new players: 'This rule applies even in high security space. By insuring their ships, other players can make a profit from a suicide attack on you, even when the total value of their ships & equipment is three times the value of your cargo.' ------ Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant tanking
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.05.26 07:41:00 - [82] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 26/05/2007 07:44:46 Originally by: Ben Booley So where are you getting these "3 battleships" from. I see that you were killed, according to the killmail you posted, by a single battlecruiser. Even just a couple shield extenders is plenty to protect you from a BC long enough for concord to get there. QFT. Involved parties: Quote: Name: SamtheDog (laid the final blow) Security: 4.3 Alliance: The Cartel. Corp: Singularity. Ship: Brutix Weapon: Regulated Neutron Phase Cannon I Brutix with tech 1 guns did it. His loss was probably only a few millions. Pretty good profit. To the OP: You didnt know this could happen, now you know. Eve is difficult. So you either are careful and prepare to get attacked as soon as you leave the station, or you go play some other game where the game protects you from harm. By the way...want to get some money back? Do the same thing to someone else. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
Brigitte	Posted - 2007.05.26 08:00:00 - [83] i wish more people would quit it may improve the lag
Cypherous Minmatar Liberty Rogues	Posted - 2007.05.26 08:06:00 - [84] Originally by: Speedy Banana Originally by: Sorum Daemoth actually, there are about 180,000 players not including trial accounts ( dont count those like WoW does) and not including eve china. and boo hoo to your ship sorry to say, suck it up and make back the money. No I think I'll just find another game to pay my monthly subscription to that is not built from the ground up on the concept of griefing people. Guess you'll be going to WoW then, enjoy your meaningless WoW existence where you can run around safe in your epic gear that everyone has killing goblins like there is no tomorrow, when you want to play a real MMO you know where to find us :) ---------
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.05.26 08:07:00 - [85] Eggs one Basket bad idea. Anyways, your really valuable assets are your skills and standings. They make it possible to make isk fast. I suggest instead you join a corp that has 0.0 access. You can make the isk you lost back in a week in 0.0 by ratting or doing 0.0 missions. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
warpod Amarr Pact Of Honour United Legion	Posted - 2007.05.26 08:14:00 - [86] It was totally your fault. Never haul afk valuable cargo, because you cannot be safe anywhere.
Miki Fin Gallente Independant Union of Rangers	Posted - 2007.05.26 08:15:00 - [87] Sounds like ebayed account to be honest. Speedy Banana = 8 months old but claims to be playing two weeks? Pilot in kill mail = same age. Either ebayed account or flamebait so yes please quit. kthxbai
Ilirra	Posted - 2007.05.26 08:18:00 - [88] Welcome to Eve.
Stealthiest	Posted - 2007.05.26 08:27:00 - [89] Get into an interceptor, Put 4 local hulls in lows and then go afk. At 800-900 m/s second your on the gate before they scanyou and decidde your worth killing and then lock you. :) btw put your **** in a can, they may risk it for a can but they usually don't. In high sec at least.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.26 08:33:00 - [90] Serves you right mate. Sorry but if you just afk with all your goods in a t1 hauler, you deserve to die. And fyi, no apace is totally safe, this isn't wow with safe zones and all that crap, you can die anytime and anywhere, although they get blown up in empire BoB vs the coalition of family values

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