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Arenis Xemdal
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.29 15:55:00 -
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1. Capitals are too common. They're no longer corp/alliance assets but player toys, even in the case of motherships. The three ways capital ships have been limited from being the new fleet ship is: isk, skill training, and teamwork. The first two, everyone can overcome with time, and enough time has passed such that owning a carrier or dread is pretty meaningless. It will only increase ("capital ships online"). Third one being teamwork is at least sometimes effective, like in the case of dreads you don't want to be sieging without a support fleet. And cynos require a bit of planning.
2. Insurance payouts contribute heavily to inflation, especially for capitals. Granted, they don't die as often as regular ships, but as more time passes more of them will get blown up. Basic insurance was devised to save newbies from quitting the game when they got ganked, why would anyone flying a capital ship need such a safety net? For what reason would an insurance company provide coverage to capitals at all?
Here are a couple of changes that can be done by Revelations 2..
Option 1 'bare minimum' - Remove basic insurance on motherships and titans Option 2 'makes things worse' - Remove basic insurance on all capital ships Option 3 'now we're talking' - Remove all insurance on all capital ships Option 4 'my pants are tight' - Remove all insurance on all capital ships, and basic insurance in all of 0.0.
I like option 4, but I'd settle for 3. Flying capital ships would hurt twice as much for each loss, without making drastic changes to any other part of EVE. And in the end it would only be helping the economy, and adding more risk and realism to big capital slugfests
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Ifni
Applied Eugenics
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Posted - 2007.05.29 16:16:00 -
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I find myself agreeing about capital insurance. Most alliances, that have the capability to field cap ships, aren't going to find themselves hard up for isk, if they've already invested in the blueprints. If, however, an alliance is smaller, and has a greater amount of individually funded cap ships, they would find themselves hurt alot more by the lack of an insurance payout.
This in turn would discourage smaller alliances from fielding their few capital ships, and would instead foster something akin to recent high profile POS sieges, where a number of allied groups get together, and field their cap ships as one fleet, safety in numbers and all that.
A balance has to be struck, to restore capital ships to the elite ships they were. They are becoming the new battleship, and we're seeing them being used to camp lowsec routes, and complex warp in points.
What the exact solution is, I don't know, but you have to be aware of the impact on both the larger, more affluent groups aswell as the smaller ones.
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NTRabbit
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2007.05.29 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ifni
A balance has to be struck, to restore capital ships to the elite ships they were. They are becoming the new battleship, and we're seeing them being used to camp lowsec routes, and complex warp in points.
I couldn't agree more.
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Gullegumman
Caldari Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.05.31 00:23:00 -
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Signed.
Well, pretty much. I'd be OK with keeping carriers in the "normal" ship list. At the very least though, Motherships, Dreadnoughts and Titans should become near unrecoverable for a small corporation, if lost. True thought and planning should be put forth in every single use of these ships to keep their "status".
After all, to stay in line with the backstory, these ships were until recently all but unobtainable to Empires like the Gallente Federation, with their vast navy and hundreds of stations... --- Gullegumman, FSltmarskalk, Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille |
Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2007.05.31 01:15:00 -
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I agree, we need to stop creating ISK out of thin air. Personally I don't think there should be insurance at all, but for capital ships I can actually provide a reason. If you have the assets to acquire a capital ship, you can afford to replace on without insurance that came out of nowhere. Lower tier ships are used more by new/poor players so they have a logical reason for being insurable.
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Icome4u
Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L
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Posted - 2007.05.31 01:15:00 -
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Insurance for carriers and dreads suck.
Motherships and Titans don't have insurance. ______
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MotherMoon
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Posted - 2007.05.31 03:05:00 -
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Originally by: Icome4u Insurance for carriers and dreads suck.
Motherships and Titans don't have insurance.
lol they don't? wow, you just faced the whole post
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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2007.05.31 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Icome4u Insurance for carriers and dreads suck.
Motherships and Titans don't have insurance.
lol they don't? wow, you just faced the whole post
Can't dock = Can't insure.
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Typhado3
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.31 06:36:00 -
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hmm I think ccp are trying to get the capital ships killed more by bringing them to the battle field which is something I agree with. Want evidence look at the triage module, carriers can no longer launch fighters from inside a pos, titans remote ddd is being made no longer remote. Think they are working on it. Also a friend recently got a dread and it costs 420 mil to insure for 10 weeks. My bet is by the time he actually gets it killed he'll have payed more in insurance than the payout is.
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murder one
Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.05.31 06:51:00 -
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All insurance for all ships should be removed. Period. If you don't want to lose the ISK, don't fly the ship.
Because I said so...
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Thalera Saldana
Minmatar Oxymorons from Outer Space
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Posted - 2007.05.31 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Vicious Phoenix
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Icome4u Insurance for carriers and dreads suck.
Motherships and Titans don't have insurance.
lol they don't? wow, you just faced the whole post
Can't dock = Can't insure.
Can't dock = can't change insurance = MS and Titans get basic insurance at 40% (iirc) of their value.
Thal
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0 1 Shot 1 Kill
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Posted - 2007.05.31 10:05:00 -
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Im gonna agree with a BOB guy here (lol), and go with option 3. No insurance on any capship. And yes, i fly them.
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