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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2007.05.31 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio However, the blasterthron will get a huge hit to surviabiltiy, and should be given some extra cpu to cope.
That is the sign of a poor attempt at balance. If you get more CPU on your blasterthron I want more CPU on my Typhoon as well. See the problem here? This nerf doesn't really help Amarr that much, it gimps everyone equally.
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murder one
Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.05.31 01:01:00 -
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My internet goes down for an hour and I return to THIS!?
WTF is CCP thinking?!
I have 2 CPU left on my blaster setups. For just about anything. FFS CCP, why not just come out and say it: You don't want us to fly blaster ships anymore!
And nerf EANMs and NOT NERF Shield tanking? Are you F'ing kidding me? If everyone's tanks were reduced equally, then fine. But ruining armor tanks and leaving shield tanks the way they are is lame.
Furthermore, I thought you wanted combat to last longer? Resistances are the ONLY way to get enough endurance out of a passive armor tank to live long enough to kill a target with a blaster ship before you cap out.
Now I'm going to have to resort to using autocannons on my Hype FFS because I can't afford the cap useage of blasters.
What the hell is going through your heads?
Because I said so...
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El Yatta
Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.05.31 01:06:00 -
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Im a blaster pilot through and through, but that isnt the reason they shouldnt do this (even though its going to *****almost all of my setups, heh), the reason is that half the amarr fleet have no bloody CPU either, and seeing as they all have to fit injectors these days to deal with their cap issues, which also uses a LOT of cpu, you're just going to screw over the people you're meant to be boosting! Nerfing armour tanks to improve the "armour race" - yeah, its not a good one there, CCP!
Go back to what you were suggesting before, and the only logical solution - make amarr cap kings, improve capacitor warfare. Changing EANMs, ESPECIALLY their fitting, is a nightmarish idea, and is going to cause all kinds of trouble in 3 races. One of your two rotating signatures exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil ([email protected]) |
Serilla
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.05.31 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Wheya As a benchmark we can observe the sales of amarrian drones and fighters.
What a horrible benchmark, you apparently have no clue about drones...
As for swapping to active hardeners in the place of EANMs, assuming you use 3 slots, 3 T2 active hardeners is 44cpu x3 (132cpu), vs 2 EANMs and a DCU II 40cpu x2 + 30cpu (110cpu). So you still use more cpu for the active hardeners than EANMs so this doesn't do anything but screw over everyone. __________________
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LOwRANCE
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Posted - 2007.05.31 04:54:00 -
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hmmm ?! hey guys what¦s going on, put eann put to 40 cpu wtf !!! i fly much amaar and i like it really, okay its¦s a pain if a pilot has 80% resist in emp in armor. but i use eann too and amar chip¦s have much more problems with cpu then gallente ! between i fly 3 races gallente amaar and caldari. this will not help to solve the problem ! this adds for an amar pilot an additional problem ! u will not help amaar! u will nerf it more then before!!! when i go to sisi sit in my geddon my 7th duel pulse is off because of cpu issue and i use only one eann, using one is okay i think ! i say it again and again! bad idea u kick amar not help in this art of acting !!!!!!! amar has less cpu then others !!! to fix this issue with amar eann 80% in armor it is maybe better to change the crystal¦s to a little bit more thermal and lesser emp that will help more low
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Arenis Xemdal
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.31 05:11:00 -
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Originally by: Wheya Yes, I am using EANII, too. Yes, the new cpu requirements will comromise a lot of my setups on amarrian ships. They are not really that famous for having plenty of cpu.
Nevertheless I think it is a huge step into the right direction because people will more often use active hardeners instead of the EANII + DC combo. I would have preferred a nerf from 20% down to 15% resistance, though.
Why would it result in a greater use of active hardeners, when tech 2 consume 44tf CPU, 4 more than the nerfed version of EANM IIs?
And for the record, more people use active hardeners in combination with EANM II than simply EANM II and Damage Control. They are a basic module of tanking, just like the repairer. There are not that many other options. People critisize the use of dual EANM, but when you include repairer and cap mods, you may not even have low slots left for anything else.
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Valandril
Caldari Leela's Lamas
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Posted - 2007.05.31 05:55:00 -
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Ok lets see what i can't fly after nerf: platerax, gankrax, blastertix, blasthron, blastermyrmi(tho nos setup will fit, reffiting time). So ccp, whats going on ? Ur nerfing all armor tankers because u want too ? Did anyone from ccp ever tried to fit blastership ?
With current ccp actions i see lately, i'm close to cancel my subscription... ---
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Didier Oriol
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.05.31 06:04:00 -
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I forsee a huge spike in the prices of named blasters if this nerf hits TQ
/me waves goodbye to B-thron, deimos, ishtar, armor tanked railgank domi, blaster gankdomi... just about any armor tanker...
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murder one
Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.05.31 06:18:00 -
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Originally by: Didier Oriol I forsee a huge spike in the prices of named blasters if this nerf hits TQ
/me waves goodbye to B-thron, deimos, ishtar, armor tanked railgank domi, blaster gankdomi... just about any armor tanker...
Named blasters? If this really happens, I'll probably never fly another blaster ship again. And the Amarr guys are going to have the same problems. The only guys who benefit from this are the Caldari guys, as now the armor tanks are just going to be that much weaker.
I can't tell you how much this ****es me off.
Because I said so...
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Hectaire Glade
Forum Jockey
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Posted - 2007.05.31 07:33:00 -
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If this is the proposed fix to Amarr damage problems then its way off base, rebalance thermal and EM damage on crystals instead of taking the axe to a large proportion of the armor tanking player community.
For all the momentum to make fights last longer, crippling the fittings on one of the most used armor tanking modules is not a step in the right direction, this change does little except make Gallente harder to fit.
Please rethink this approach, Lower base EM resists on all armor across the board or rebalance crystal damage types (much prefered by most of the community, tbh).
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2007.05.31 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: Wheya Nevertheless I think it is a huge step into the right direction because people will more often use active hardeners instead of the EANII + DC combo. I would have preferred a nerf from 20% down to 15% resistance, though. As a benchmark we can observe the sales of amarrian drones and fighters. If they are being used in PvP as well then we can talk about balance.
2xEANM, DCU will still take less CPU than 3x hardeners, so there won't be much incentive to switch to active hardeners.... all this will accomplish is further nerfing armor tanking compared to shield tanking. -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level." |
Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.31 08:26:00 -
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lol @ all the gallente fanbois whining...
The real kicker is, amarr have even more cpu issues than gallente. I guess you never tried to fit an amarr ship before...
This cannot be in any way an amarr buff, because it will screw amarr over just as bad...
The only ones who won't be affected that much will be minmatar, since we rarely have cpu issues when fitting our ships.
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Gripen
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.05.31 08:56:00 -
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I can't believe whiners get their stuff once again. This change is more a nerf to amarr than their boost. If you want to boost amarr - boost shield tanking.
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Cpt Branko
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Posted - 2007.05.31 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa lol @ all the gallente fanbois whining...
The real kicker is, amarr have even more cpu issues than gallente. I guess you never tried to fit an amarr ship before...
This cannot be in any way an amarr buff, because it will screw amarr over just as bad...
The only ones who won't be affected that much will be minmatar, since we rarely have cpu issues when fitting our ships.
Yeah, but don't say that out loud, they might nerf our CPU while they're at it ;P
Anyway, I don't really see the rationale for this nerf.
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Altamekz
Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.31 09:26:00 -
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My faction fitted Zealot is broken too, I have to downgrade the t 2 guns to t1 named to get it back online.
Solution, boost amarr CPU and leave all the unbeliever behind
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Kakita Jalaan
Viriette Commerce and Holding
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Posted - 2007.05.31 09:29:00 -
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The main point here is nerfing EANMs, which is damned long overdue in my opinion. They are in many respects always the best choice for armor tanks, which among other things results in Amarr getting shafted with their EM damage that would usually be tanked against less.
Just compare EANMs to other energized modules, and also to active armor hardeners. 2 EANM IIs with lvl 4 compensations are almost as good as an active hardener of each type, for less cpu and additionally they are passive! Hello?
Single resist energized modules are almost never used, and don't even start with energized regenerative membranes, which in theory should give a similar effective armor HP boost as EANMs. If you don't know what to fit as an armor tank, fit an EANM (currently). It's really a no-brainer, and I think that's stupid and should be rebalanced. I personally would have favored a lower resist bonus, but increasing cpu reqs while at the same time easing up on active hardeners might work, too. While they're at it, they might as well lower the cpu reqs of single resist energized platings slightly, maybe they will see some more use then (on cpu limited blaster boats, for example).
It's the same with power diags owning almost everything else for active shield tank low slots, since they're just so much better than the alternatives (cap/shield flux coils anyone?). ______________ Join the Family |
Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.05.31 09:29:00 -
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Niiiiice!
Amarr was way overdue for nerf! Thank you!
"to be honest it makes me wonder about the mental state of a person who would join a corp called Space Perverts and Forum warriors"
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Lore Isander
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.31 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ozzie Asrail Edited by: Ozzie Asrail on 30/05/2007 21:04:12 This is not a fix for anything, gallente spec pilots already need a -3% cpu implant for most fittings
EDIT: ok this takes the ****, the ships in my hanger after that change...
Electron Vindi - No Ion Vindi - No Ion Hyperion - No Neutron Mega (with empty high)- No Neutron Deimos (with empty high) - 0.19cpu spare Electron Brutix - Woo it fits!
Thanks!
Quote for the ****in truth!
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Brisi
Veto.
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Posted - 2007.05.31 09:33:00 -
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This is NOT the way to buff amarr. The only thing this will accomplish, is make blasterboats even harder to fit, not to even mention amarr ships themselves.
This is yet another case of the Dev's using stupid workarounds, in stead of looking at the problem itself (LASERS).
Needless to say, I am not happy about this, basically all my fittings would be screwed. Well all except for the Domi...
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Artica Silverfox
Arctic Productions
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Posted - 2007.05.31 09:35:00 -
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Should have dropped the CPU on the active hardeners instead of upping the CPU for the EANMs...
If you could save CPU by using active dedicated hardeners, wouldn't you?
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DanMck
Amarr Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.31 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa lol @ all the gallente fanbois whining...
The real kicker is, amarr have even more cpu issues than gallente. I guess you never tried to fit an amarr ship before...
This cannot be in any way an amarr buff, because it will screw amarr over just as bad...
The only ones who won't be affected that much will be minmatar, since we rarely have cpu issues when fitting our ships.
yep
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Ruciza
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Posted - 2007.05.31 09:38:00 -
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Edited by: Ruciza on 31/05/2007 09:44:26
Well, dear blaster pilots, maybe you have to rethink your fittings. There exist energized membranes of all types and stripes. Those still have their CPU at 30, one of them gives you the resistance of 2 EANMs for their respective damage type. Tux said that he doesn't like the 2xEANM + DC combo. Now you can for example fit 3x Energized Membranes, and if you still want a DC, get rid of a damage mod. The thought behind this is clear. The essential question is:
WILL YOU FIT AN EM-PASSIVE MOD ON AN ARMOR TANK?
Answer: No you won't. It isn't worth the slot with 60% (+DC) default resists. EM damage buff. Either you have a resist hole, or no more 3x Magstabs, no more 1600mm Raxes/Ruppies with omnitank, it's awesome. You might also reconsider your nos.
This may also not be the end of it.
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Hectaire Glade
Forum Jockey
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Posted - 2007.05.31 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kakita Jalaan .....Single resist energized modules are almost never used....
Actually, Thermic energized are reasonably well used in combination with 2xEANs on Amarr ships to prop up the weak resist.
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Miss Sneak
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.31 09:43:00 -
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Rev 2 release date. The day armor tankers cried for more CPU
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.05.31 09:46:00 -
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We clearly need to buff shield tankers now! Perhaps CCP wants that people go shield tankers and stop using scrams and webs.. those mean pirate griefer modules!
(Known fact: Most of CCP nowadays are carebears .. only few remain pirates ..)
"to be honest it makes me wonder about the mental state of a person who would join a corp called Space Perverts and Forum warriors"
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Great Artista
Purple Cloud
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Posted - 2007.05.31 09:47:00 -
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Rhahaha, enter the GALLENTE NERF!
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IntegralHellsing
Gallente The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen
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Posted - 2007.05.31 09:53:00 -
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lol CCP.
2 X EANM T2 = 20 more CPU. currently with best skills, you can't fracking fit 2 EANM T2 unless you use -3% or -5% turret cpu implant.
now, with increase of total CPU by 20, I don't think anyone would fit EANM T2 on armour tank ship unless you're minmatar, as it is virtually impossible thanks to CPU. (My electron megat has 10 cpu spare only because i am using 'accomodation' armour rep. My neutron megat has like 2 cpu left and that is because i use -3% cpu implant.)
Even for Hyperion I only have like 10 CPU left with T2 reps + an EWar module for 5th mid slot, and i doubt anyone would be fracking able to fit 2 EANM for their armour tank.
ps. yes invul t2 is an active hardner but we're not talking about shield tank so gtfo.
ps2. if this eanm t2 nerf comes, i bet everyone will just fly shield tanking ships. if you want everyone to fly shield tank, then go ahead. i could care less as i can just hop in a passive shield tank myrmidon or train for rokh and fly it. but for other armour tankers who trained up their skills to fly armour tanks only, this will be a fracking disaster. --------------------------------------
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Mashie Saldana
Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2007.05.31 10:01:00 -
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This sucks, now the Sleipnirs will be even more expensive.
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0 1 Shot 1 Kill
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Posted - 2007.05.31 10:02:00 -
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Hmz. I wouldnt mind seeing the reasoning behind this move.
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Wizzkidy
Demonic Retribution Pure.
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Posted - 2007.05.31 10:03:00 -
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I think we need to hold fire here as they are still testing stuff.
Yes they might be trying to find work arounds instead of going right for the laser issue can't say I blame them considering if they messed with lasers they will either over power them or generally have to change the WHOLE way they work.
Can't blame CCP for trying work arounds that are easier to do.
Just wait and see things change on SISI all the time.
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