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Hardin
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Posted - 2004.01.11 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 11/01/2004 17:07:39
Give 'em hell Toulak! 
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.11 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 11/01/2004 17:07:27
"I remember you Jade what Miso said:
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Its dull. And most of it untrue. Jericho is loaded. We have tonnes of cash.
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... Well, for those who didn't yet see through that lil' Miso's comment, it was made in a thread about pirates inflicting (or not) financial loss to NVA and Jericho in particular. The claim in question can be considered the equivalent of post-battle "We didn't really lose 5 battleships. Just one cruiser. Actually, it was a frigate and only got some structural damage"
Hope that clears it up. :s
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.01.11 17:15:00 -
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Lol, do you guys realise that there has been already one Northern Alliance based in Venal?
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Serak Tur
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Posted - 2004.01.11 17:15:00 -
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While I am no longer a member of Jericho Fraction (not as a result of this) I am truly shocked and sickened by this turn of events. It seems to me that the TNA sold out Jericho in the hopes of gaining the support of FE corps.
Sadly (for the TNA), the FE alliance didn't pan out.
As far as Jade being more trouble than she is worth, I'd have to strenously disagree. She was instrumental in introducing several corps into the NVA (Oberon included!).
Also, the way the new alliance was formed was terrible. Many corps have come forward expressing their surprise to the move. Obviously not all of the member corp were deemed important enough to consult. While I can't speak for them I suspect several will not be joining the TNA.
In summary the TNA has betrayed a corp (for no gain), lost much of it PVP capability (especially in PB), and pulled off the WORST PR fiasco in recent EVE history.
-I don't think this is much of a blow to Jericho itself however.
Serak Tur
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Christopher Xen
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Posted - 2004.01.11 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: Li ShangYin on 11/01/2004 10:17:39
Some people post faster than I do, good luck to the NVA, now TNA.
/me sends another batch of Sake to FE troops.
BONZAI!!!!!!!!
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Christopher Xen
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Posted - 2004.01.11 17:27:00 -
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As a statement of information to former allies of the Jericho Fraction in Venal. The reason our corporation does not appear in the list is that we were kicked from the alliance by what Halseth describes as a unanimous vote of member corps. The reason for the kicking has been expressed by Halseth as "because Jericho Fraction contains Jade Constantine".
Now I'm not sure how this pertains to the booting process, but it has come to our attention that removal of Jericho Fraction from the NVA was a prerequisite of "merger terms" discussed some days earlier by Halseth with the Foresaken Empire representatives.
At the time Halseth did not see fit to reveal this information to Jericho Fraction, and indeed by continuing negotiations with Foresaken Empire (with this term in place) he has quite literally, been guilty of selling an alliance partner down the river for the personal interest.
2 days ago Jericho Fraction made plain our intention to vote against the Merger Halseth spoke so glowingly of in NVA council, and yet, we were not able to cast our vote yesterday due to a rapid expulsion of our corporation from the NVA by entirely unconstitutional means.
Halseth chose to abandon and discard the NVA charter he signed like so much waste paper.
Of course, in practical politics it must be accepted that the rule of the gun speaks loudest, and the mob may do exactly as it wishes with larger numbers and more strength.
We have been ousted and Halseth has won the political struggle he initiated.
Well done!
But its worth reminding the member corps of this new Venal Empire or Northern Alliance entity, that a man who can tear up one charter, can easily tear up future charters, and discard future promises as quickly as the first.
But this chapter in the history of Venal is done.
Jericho Fraction is gone from the new Order.
I will be happy to speak to the CEO's of corporations listed in error in Halseth's list, about future cooporation and plans and such.
On the territorial claim made by the The Northern Alliance.
Jericho Fraction does not recognise the authority of T-N-A.
And does not recognise the border restrictions placed by Halseth in his document.
Thank you we know, youve hit all the forums, no sympathy. Domi Aragto Mrs. Roboto
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Christopher Xen
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Posted - 2004.01.11 17:27:00 -
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Well Halseth has ample example to follow in the fantastic feats of mr Ragnar.
He should put a bounty out ;)
Didnt you do the same to ragnar, hmmm, guess what goes around comes around.
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Toulak
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Posted - 2004.01.11 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Toulak on 11/01/2004 17:31:49
raaaaar
Edit - woah you guys post fast heh, that was refering to Hardins post last page 
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.01.11 17:32:00 -
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Edited by: Miso on 11/01/2004 17:34:31
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On the other hand the Jericho Fraction is only good at words it appears becuase no one ever sees them fighting or protecting space that they once claimed to be their region![/left]
Interesting - Jericho never fight...
Ive never seen Oberon fight, or Crice fight, or M0o fight for that matter - must mean they never fight either then, as we have all decided to generalise based on our own personal experiences. What a great way to view the world of Eve!
I have fought alongside my corp mates.. but as you've never seen that, it must be a lie. C'mon, get a brain.
Ive never seen 98% of eve's corps fight, doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.
People please. Don't personalise, and don't post crap on things you know nothing about. It just makes you look like a load of*****s.
As for protecting space - only idiots protect space. I protect corpmates and allies, not a system.
Education in the developed world is free upto the age of 16. Might wanna check that out sometime kiddies...
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Christopher Xen
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Posted - 2004.01.11 17:33:00 -
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Edited by: KIAEddZ on 11/01/2004 11:56:44
Whilst we are at war with the FE, i still remain respectful of their many pilots, and as such, amd going to refrain completely from the inane childish smack talk that is pouring through these forums.
Jade, whilst you may not recognise it, Jericho faction members, will not be allowed into venal, please dont make us kill you.
FE, we both know that the alliance failed at a base level due to your principals of pirating. What a true waste of awesome power we must now face, becuase you cannot see a way to compromise your PB pirating actions, for the greater good. There is hope yet, but relations are truly tender. Best we gank the crap out of each other for a few weeks first i spose. :) xx
Nah i think most of the smack talk right now is the closest to jubilation at the fall of the NVA. You have been a worthy opponent in the past and would have been a worthy ally, sorry you couldnt see things from our prespective we really tried to see it from yours.
But Nice job with the NVA. Guess the best thing we can do now is dismount from our ships at 100 paces shake hands get back in our ships and go at it.
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Christopher Xen
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Posted - 2004.01.11 17:36:00 -
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All things change Eddz, I am not blind to what has happened. The Foresaken war was just that, a war with no purpose and no home in legend. It was not possible to fight it without losing courage and hope.
The masters of FE played a sterling game of divide and rule with their offers and propaganda and tactics.
It would have taken a master to avoid the pitfalls and pratfalls entirely, and sadly, we weren't masters.
No we really tried, what started as a demand for surrender, turned into a nice idea, but failed and now were back to square one.
yes im responding to these one by one.
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Christopher Xen
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Posted - 2004.01.11 17:46:00 -
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other issues aside...
Why in hell did you choose that as a title? It's a rewording of one used by TTi/SI back when the NVA (also a bad name) considered them the big nasty traitors.
I can't see much future for an alliance that will be known *at best* as Tina.
I also don't see much hope for an alliance that was formed on the forums while you all logged out from what looked like being a total annihilation.
Well, good luck Tina, I'll make sure to have as much respect for your borders as I did for the NVA's.
Its a process bud, they could never beat us so gradually they want to become us.
For someone whom has such hatereds for pirates they they are quicly becoming them.
1.) They backstab thier mates for cowardice.
2.) They try to revive the use of a dead pirate alliance name.
3.) They said they will kill anyone whom enters thier territory, PRODUCTIVE PIRACY, though unlike us they will call it regional defence.
4.) They have a total lust for Treasure(ISK)
im sure the list will grow. I just think they should come to terms as we have, we are a pirate alliance that greedily guards our lands, covets the isk in our wallet, kills anyone whom becomes more trouble than they are worth.
And you know aside from a few ninja miners and a couple of unsuccessful bounty hunters no one really bothers us.
And you know ever since our three main industry corps joined us they have made vast amounts of profit, and LOVE fighting for and with the Empire and her valiant soldiers.
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Christopher Xen
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Posted - 2004.01.11 17:51:00 -
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Athule Snanm you cant decide if you leave or not since you were kicked out, so its not really an option is it?
Hope you go to Stain so you can be their downfall as well, that would make 3 alliances crumble because of you.
You know i think you have a point, JF is one hell of a weapon against alliances, Sorta like a virus. If only we could bottle them into our cruise missiles.
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Christopher Xen
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Posted - 2004.01.11 17:53:00 -
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Athule Snanm you cant decide if you leave or not since you were kicked out, so its not really an option is it?
Nope, obviously we can't decide now - but I'm 99% sure it was about to happen in any case. The log of the convo when I was informed (I was the first to be told) contains no WTFs or anything similar.
I think you vastly exaggerate the importance of JF if you think they we're in any way a major part in what's happened to the NVA in the last couple of months or more. Policies and decisions have been made almost completely without us for some time now - I can't really think of a single thing that's happened for ages that hasn't come from Oberon, CDI, RONA or KIA. The vast bulk of our members have already either relocated to Pure Blind or Empire. This simply (and swiftly) completes the process.
Any one realize that when things go well JF takes all or most of the credit and attributes it to Jades leadership and when it goes bad they dont run squat and it is someone elses fault.
I see why T-N-A kicked them out, hope the door hit them in the arse.
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Toulak
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Posted - 2004.01.11 17:55:00 -
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unsuccessful bounty hunters
So I suppose Celest etc have never ever killed a single one of you? 
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Havocide
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Posted - 2004.01.11 18:04:00 -
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From what i can gather from this thread, some of the larger corps just decided to make this new T-N-A (lol) without the concent of all the people who are on its member list.
Do i sense more backstabbing and internal civil wars in the T-N-A (lol) than the NVA?
/me thinks yes
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olyyy
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Posted - 2004.01.11 18:07:00 -
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TNA will die anyway... They took part of the NVA, kept what was working wrong and decided to make a new alliance. Now i think it will be soon one of the first alliance living in Empire Space
Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 ) |
Gan Ning
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Posted - 2004.01.11 18:21:00 -
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I would just like to know, what have I, Gan Ning, done to deserve being part of this expulsion? I have fought for the NVA I have shown my loyalties despite when few accepted me as truely sincere.
I have always put myself forward for gangs and patrols I have never shyed away from responsibilities as a member in the NVA.
I've even offered my advice and strategies to help the NVA rise again. I just feel it is overkill to exclude Jericho and all its members if you have a personal problem with Jade.
And surely if its just about Jade why can't this have been talked out and resolved?
Right now I dont feel very good at the outcome. I feel it could have been dealt with better. Not everyone in Jericho thinks the same, not everyone views things the same or acts like anyone else. We are all individuals with our own values, beliefs and ideals.
Best Regards,
Gan Ning
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2004.01.11 19:00:00 -
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I would just like to know, what have I, Gan Ning, done to deserve being part of this expulsion? I have fought for the NVA I have shown my loyalties despite when few accepted me as truely sincere.
I have always put myself forward for gangs and patrols I have never shyed away from responsibilities as a member in the NVA.
I've even offered my advice and strategies to help the NVA rise again. I just feel it is overkill to exclude Jericho and all its members if you have a personal problem with Jade.
And surely if its just about Jade why can't this have been talked out and resolved?
Right now I dont feel very good at the outcome. I feel it could have been dealt with better. Not everyone in Jericho thinks the same, not everyone views things the same or acts like anyone else. We are all individuals with our own values, beliefs and ideals.
Best Regards,
Gan Ning
Hey Gan. You know very well what the reason is. You are a valiant warrior and for that you are shunned by the mining and trading corps that can't defend their so-called borders. Come back to the Dark Side!!  you know you want to!
V/R
Cao Cao
PS... LOL @ Tina !!!!!!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.11 19:23:00 -
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Funnily enough Cao Cao you are mostly on the money.
Gan Ning was shunned by the NVA.
For months the NVA councillers wouldn't trust him. And Jericho Fraction was continually accused of giving a home to pirate scum, and endangering the alliance by recruiting ex-biomass.
Funny in the extreme that Gan Ning has more than proved my faith in him, and became the staunchest proponent of the NVA charter and morality and stated ethics, while those that accused him (and JF) of pirate sympathies have now gone the route of appeasement and sucking up to the might of Foresaken Empire with puling statements of flexible agenda and weakling compromise.
And they say Amarri like Halseth don't understand irony.
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Glynis
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Posted - 2004.01.11 20:36:00 -
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At the time Halseth did not see fit to reveal this information to Jericho Fraction, and indeed by continuing negotiations with Foresaken Empire (with this term in place) he has quite literally, been guilty of selling an alliance partner down the river for the personal interest.
I dont wanna turn up too late for the party, and only have this to say. I am sorry to add the whole 'what goes around comes around'. Jade, you sold TTI down the river by bargaining with Evo and FA back in the day. Although that was a hell of a long time ago, and all washed clean, I must ask, how does it feel to be treated in the same way you once treated others?
Though I'm sure you'll come up with some marvelously worded excuse which exonerates your actions completely, and draws a clear distinction between now and then.
Thats all I got to say about the matter. Good luck to all the parties in the comming weeks, KIA, Celstial Apocalypse, SPVD, your all top draw fighters. |
Beryllium Dragon
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Posted - 2004.01.11 20:37:00 -
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As a noob reading these forums I've rather enjoyed Jade's posts, her posts are rather well thought out.
As for JF, I can understand I've been on that side before myself (The best was EQ when I called the guild leadership a bunch of loot *****s, and the response from the rank and file was pretty much "well, duh.", they just didn't want to admit it). On top of that I've seen 100 member guilds just pull up and quit when this happens.
The best advice I can offer to JF is this, first copy all the posts on the NVA forums on your website and let FE know what the political status of NVA was before and durring the merger talks. Close the NVA forum and start "leaking" information, such as important minning locations, bases of operations and such. Lastly, if these are just minning guilds declare war on them, no sense letting FE, biomass, and et all, have all the fun.
XXXII
There was the Door to which I found no Key;
There was the Veil through which I might not see:
Some little talk awhile of Me and Thee
There was--and then no more of Thee and Me.
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Stoop
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Posted - 2004.01.11 21:26:00 -
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Halseth is not the ebil traitor dictator. He is just the person that said he would tell JF that they could not be in the TNA, and the person that put this on the boards.
And it was my understanding (I was on TS) that the reason JF was not allowed into TNA was because of jade and jade only. Im pretty sure that this point was made clearly.
I personally have no problem with any JF member other than jade. I actually enjoy reading Athule's posts, as well as miso and j0sephines.
No corp mates of mine have showed any disliking to any member of JF other than jade.
On the other hand, no active member of GODS except for one has said that he/she does not have a strong disliking for jade.
I can not speak for all of TNA is expressing their disliking of Jade (and remember JF <> Jade), but I can speak for GODS.
Jade knows that I hate her too. I think that I have made that point clear a few times.
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Ariell Lucinwind
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Posted - 2004.01.11 21:56:00 -
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I personally have no problem with any JF member other than jade. I actually enjoy reading Athule's posts, as well as miso and j0sephines.
No corp mates of mine have showed any disliking to any member of JF other than jade.
Does this mean the NVA TNA ABC and XYZ should just be nice to everyone except Jade and the list should really read something like this
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T-N-A consists of:
[20th] 20th Legion
[BLADE] Bladerunners
[C.C] Cult of Cthulhu
[CDI] Cyberdyne Industries
[CELES] Celestial Apocalypse
[CPDS] Copiae Dius
[CON] Conman Enterprises
[DSIN] DeathStar International
[FGH] Fighters of Heineken
[INF] Infinicorp
[GODS] Generals of Destruction Syndicate
[GOF] Grumpy old Farts
[R-K] RONA-KIA Corp
[OI] Oberon Incorporated
[OCC] Occassus Republica
[QI] Quantum Industries
[ROHAN] Riders of Rohan
[RKK] Reikoku
[RONA] Rona Corporation
[MLM] Millennium
[TWC] The Whitesand Consortium
[TWB] The Wolf Brigade
[JERI except Jade] The Jericho Team less one member "Jade"
Does this sound better or does all of JF need a good podding
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Stoop
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Posted - 2004.01.11 22:04:00 -
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I am pretty confident that everyone will be nice to every JF member except Jade, and hell maybe they will be nice to jade as well if they personally like her.
JF is not KOS if that answers your question?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.11 22:38:00 -
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This is sooooo very deja-vu ... its not the first time I have been personally targetted for KOS by an entire alliance you know ;)
Now, either its me, and I have some wierd ability to get hundreds of people all hating me with every element of their being.
Or maybe, just maybe, there is some ragnarism in the mix.
Personally, I think its because I have principles and actually stood up and told Halseth what I thought about this cowardly quisling FE pact.
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Stoop
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Posted - 2004.01.11 22:49:00 -
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Personally, I think its because I have principles and actually stood up and told Halseth what I thought about this cowardly quisling FE pact.
Can you please tell me why you are pointing all the fingers at halseth? Anyone could have posted this on the forums, and any member could have told JF that they were not allowed into the new alliance because of YOU.
Why is this Halseths fault? DJ stop your spinning. Your music wreaks.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.11 22:50:00 -
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Read the other thread, its all explained in black and white.
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2004.01.11 23:18:00 -
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A couple of greeding mining corporations (Oberon included) where literally eating all the pies.
o.O
... but we've never been to Venal!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.11 23:19:00 -
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I need to chat with you chaps in-game. I am dreadfully sorry about the delay. Politics did rather rise to dominate the agenda.
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