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Thingthe
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Posted - 2007.06.03 20:33:00 -
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Which ship would win in a one on one ? Also no motherships.
Seems to me the dread would win because it has gun slots, but how effective are a carriers fighters?
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Kehmor
Caldari
The Movement
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Posted - 2007.06.03 20:37:00 -
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.06.03 21:00:00 -
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Well.
In siege - the carrier can just keep moving, even when the dread has it webbed it wont do much damage. It shouldnt be in web range to start with anyway.
Out of siege - the dread simply wont do enough dps to kill it.
Standoff, i'd say.
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SATAN
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.06.03 21:11:00 -
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Carrier every time, unless the pilot has no clue that is.
Dreads are only good at shooting stationary targets, anything else you might as well hit self destruct.
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Foulis
Minmatar
Chosen Path
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.03 21:13:00 -
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 Originally by: SATAN
Carrier every time, unless the pilot has no clue that is.
Dreads are only good at shooting stationary targets, anything else you might as well hit self destruct.
How exactly is the carrier killing the dread? 1000-1500 dps isn't doing it.
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Dread Phantom
Caldari
Project-Chaos
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Posted - 2007.06.03 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN
Carrier every time, unless the pilot has no clue that is.
Dreads are only good at shooting stationary targets, anything else you might as well hit self destruct.
some kind of joke?
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Nickhastapee
Maelstrom Crew
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Posted - 2007.06.03 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Foulis
How exactly is the carrier killing the dread? 1000-1500 dps isn't doing it.
Well, if I recall correctly, dreads cant tank too well out of siege mode, so yes, 1000-1500 DPS is doing it, But i don't fly capitals or know much about them anyway so maybe I am just farting here.
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.06.03 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kehmor
dread
They would tank each other. With XL neuts the carrier, considering those dont exist, think dread would be best. But damn it takes a looong time though.
5 carriers vs 5 dreads, the carriers would win. 3*5 faction capneuts
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Rawthorm
Gallente
The Establishment
Establishment
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Posted - 2007.06.03 21:58:00 -
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Carrier can tank the dread. Carrier also has the highs for nos. Even BS sized ones are enough to kill off the dread's cap sustainability so it will take ages but the dread will die. (Hell Neuts and a wave of neut drones for 15 mins then switch to fighters  )
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.03 22:30:00 -
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It will die even faster once it's siege fuel runs out.
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scabbsssjr
Gallente
M'8'S
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2007.06.03 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Foulis
Originally by: SATAN
Carrier every time, unless the pilot has no clue that is.
Dreads are only good at shooting stationary targets, anything else you might as well hit self destruct.
How exactly is the carrier killing the dread? 1000-1500 dps isn't doing it.
Easy, set it to orbit at 80km. Go afk. come back in a while and you will see the dread is out of seige mod fuel.
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.04 00:31:00 -
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Unless fitted by a moron, Capitals arn't breaking each others tank solo.
Originally by: Benglada
And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
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Xtro 2
Caldari
Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2007.06.04 00:43:00 -
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neither should win, as neither has the raw dps to break the other in normal/well fitted setups.
Stalemate.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
Free Trade Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.04 05:30:00 -
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Edited by: goodby4u on 04/06/2007 05:31:16
Carrier...Wait we cant count a fleet with it?
As to the op one dread will not break a good carrier pilots tank,and neither will the carrier pilot...Now if it were about 5 dreads vs 5 carriers 5 carriers win,cas they rep eachother and soon will have the triage module which makes the one that was primaried be able to tank asmuch as their dread enemies.
Lastly,even if the dread runs out of fuel,if its tanked then it could tank the carriers dps without siege,just as the carrier to the dread.
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Posted - 2007.06.04 05:35:00 -
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Siege mode is not an issue for the dread. 1000-1500 DPS from a carrier will do nothing to a dread. With a good tank and a single Cap armor repper, the dread can easily tank 2k DPS.
With the carrier being webbed, It will be a stationary target. In that case, it's gonna be no different for the dread shooting the carrier as it is a BS shooting anouther BS.
If the carrier cannot tank the dread with a single armor repairer then the carrier will be useing up a great deal more cap than the dread. Only real way for the carrier to win this fight is to use lots of neuts and neut drones. the carrier does have that extra bonus of a corp hangar that can hold about 250 cap 800 charges.
The realistic result will come from who is the first to get a couple decent BSs to come help their capital ship. If capital ships enter a fight, it's not gonna be likely that it will be a 1 vs 1.
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Chronus26
Gallente
Team Laser Explosion
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.04 05:55:00 -
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A single Dread won't break a Dual rep Carrier tank, even if the Carrier is stationary. Even 2 Dreads take a long time to do so. Inverse is true as well, the Carrier (1k-1.2k DPS) won't break a dual-rep Dread tank, even out of siege (still 3k DPS+ tanked)
Cap won't be a problem with 3-4 Cap rechargers/rigs as you wouldn't even need to run both reps permanatly to say at full-armor in either ship.
Long story short, it will be a stalemate if competent pilots are involved.
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Wrayeth
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.04 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
5 carriers vs 5 dreads, the carriers would win. 3*5 faction capneuts
5 carriers + support vs. 5 dreads + support and the equation changes significantly. The dreads can enter siege and actually hit the carriers thanks to the support's webbing.
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Heikki
Gallente
Wreckless Abandon
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.04 07:48:00 -
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Originally by: Thingthe
Which ship would win
Depends.
If it is pre-agreed duel, will be stalemate or win for the carrier depending on how much ISK used (money can buy superior tanks compared to extra damage available).
If both have typical fittings, in practice the fight would last long enough for support fleet to get in and decide the fight (nothing gets more activity in alliance chats than 'x for capital kill' requests).
For some tanking numbers: a carrier does some 1200 DPS with fighters. Single rep dread out of siege needs 66% resist to shrug that off, in siege far less.
Gank dread would have DPS close to 6000; dual rep carrier would need 87% resist to tank that. With only 80% resist, the carrier would blow up in less than 10 minutes.
Anyway, the end result will depend on fittings, generally favouring stalemate or dread. Both do ok job of tackling each other till the support arrives.
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eager to try the theory in practice
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SATAN
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.06.04 08:15:00 -
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I guess expecting the majority of you to have a clue was wishfull thinking on my part.
As I said before carrier every time, if you think your dread can win I can do a 1v1 with any dread out there anytime. Its just a matter of patience and wise setup, I wont even use any faction gear there is no need.
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Graalum
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.04 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Heikki
Originally by: Thingthe
Which ship would win
Depends.
If it is pre-agreed duel, will be stalemate or win for the carrier depending on how much ISK used (money can buy superior tanks compared to extra damage available).
If both have typical fittings, in practice the fight would last long enough for support fleet to get in and decide the fight (nothing gets more activity in alliance chats than 'x for capital kill' requests).
For some tanking numbers: a carrier does some 1200 DPS with fighters. Single rep dread out of siege needs 66% resist to shrug that off, in siege far less.
Gank dread would have DPS close to 6000; dual rep carrier would need 87% resist to tank that. With only 80% resist, the carrier would blow up in less than 10 minutes.
Anyway, the end result will depend on fittings, generally favouring stalemate or dread. Both do ok job of tackling each other till the support arrives.
-Lasse
eager to try the theory in practice
A blaster moros with ogre II might push that sort of damage, but i think most dreads do in the area of 2-3k dps? I might be completely off base but with an out of siege dual rep naglfar i still tanked 2 moros for a long time, and at least one was a blaster fit.
In regards to the op, in the long run the carrier should win, unless an idiot is flying it.
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Takahashi Chiaki
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.04 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Heikki
Anyway, the end result will depend on fittings, generally favouring stalemate or dread. Both do ok job of tackling each other till the support arrives.
-Lasse
eager to try the theory in practice
transversal (aka pilot clue) will also have a major influence.
AC's and pulses dont hit a (single web) webbed carrier in siege mode, although torps still do a lot of dps.
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.06.04 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN
I guess expecting the majority of you to have a clue was wishfull thinking on my part.
As I said before carrier every time, if you think your dread can win I can do a 1v1 with any dread out there anytime. Its just a matter of patience and wise setup, I wont even use any faction gear there is no need.
Truth. If both have a clue, neither will kill the other.
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stoneyharrie2
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Posted - 2007.06.04 09:36:00 -
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carriers(armor) can repair forver and forever, and most dreads too,
so basicly nobody would win, but mostly carrier win, since they nos too, and smart pilots use Smartbomb to kill dread's droner or try to pop the capital torps
so i would say if they would fight for like 1-2 hours a carrier solo would win^^
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.06.04 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: stoneyharrie2
so basicly nobody would win, but mostly carrier win, since they nos too, and smart pilots use Smartbomb to kill dread's droner or try to pop the capital torps
Whoever fits nos on a carrier deserves a slap. If you dont have the skills for DCU's, cloaks or remote reppers, at least fit a neutralizer :/
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bulldogroheim
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Posted - 2007.07.09 17:19:00 -
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ive seen Heikki fhight a carrier in his dread. was next to him and the carrier was going down slowly butt dockt hail to dreads and Heikki
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Boomershoot
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Posted - 2007.07.09 17:27:00 -
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i think it's better to say WICH dread vs WICH carrier...a moros would be quite in difficult situation vs a dual repper thanatos, while a phoenix can easily just spawn out citadel without caring to much of trasversal (carrier with 70m/s would get however over 50% dmg) and also, think of drones a dread can carry...NOS drones, ECM drones, Reppers Drones, ecc...i think they would have even chances, while some dreads would have better chances than others :P
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Torquemanda Corteaz
Gallente
Infinite Improbability Inc
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.07.09 17:36:00 -
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unless your going for a capital duel a dread going 1on1 with a carrier isnt going to happen.
carrier hurts more though... unless the carrier is stupid enough to be sitting still
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.09 17:42:00 -
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Edited by: LUKEC on 09/07/2007 17:43:10
Certain dread outdamage carrier without siege mode. It probably can't win, still.
Carrier > dread in 1vs1, but situation seems absurd, really.
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xenodia
Gallente
Shadowrun Company
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Posted - 2007.07.09 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Thingthe
Which ship would win in a one on one ? Also no motherships.
Seems to me the dread would win because it has gun slots, but how effective are a carriers fighters?
in the middle of nowhere, and no other ships around, its probably a standoff unless one or the other makes a serious error. If the carrier is moving, dreads wont be able to hit it well if the dread is in siege. If its out of siege, most dreads wont do enough damage. Moros can do enough damage with drones + non sieged guns to eventually break the carriers tank, but if the carrier pilot is smart he will send his own drones after the moros's drones.
The only real defense against that (either in siege or out) would be for the moros to use sentry drones and just recall them as soon as the carrier gets his drones on one. Unfortunately, since CCP made the moros's model size the size of a small space station, often when you launch sentry drones they end up farther than 1500m from your ship. This means that if youre in siege you cant recall them at all, and if your out of siege it may take you long enough to move to the drone that the carrier can pop it before you get to it.
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xenodia
Gallente
Shadowrun Company
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Posted - 2007.07.09 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Nickhastapee
Originally by: Foulis
How exactly is the carrier killing the dread? 1000-1500 dps isn't doing it.
Well, if I recall correctly, dreads cant tank too well out of siege mode, so yes, 1000-1500 DPS is doing it, But i don't fly capitals or know much about them anyway so maybe I am just farting here.
A dread out of siege can easily tank the DPS of a lone carrier, unless of course the carrier is sporting a bunch of NOS instead of repair mods and drone control units.
Change the fight from a 1 on 1 to a 2 on 2 and 2 I could see 2 carriers beating 2 dreads, though it would take a LONG time. 1 on 1 its basically a stalemate unless someone messes up.
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