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Loyal Servant
Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2007.06.04 04:53:00 -
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This was linked in everyones favorite macro channel by voogru.
He is one of us on the front lines ganking and stealing from isk farmers so the rest of you can play the game with a slightly smaller impact from them.
Linkage
It is a great read and it's one of those things that opened my eyes into their little world.
It is also well written. I think we owe voogru a tank you for a well written report on isk farmers and eve
So, if you have time and you see a group of farmers in your local ice field or asteroid belt, think of the n00bs that go to empty belts during the tutorial and can't find a rock to mine.
Alliance leaders: you need to also stop harboring them in your alliances.
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Alaknor Dresden
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Posted - 2007.06.04 05:21:00 -
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I ganked an isk farmer the other day. How do I know? He actually told me he was an isk farmer. Not too bright.
-K
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.04 05:30:00 -
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I decided against posting a thread on the forums because IMO, theres enough anti-macro/farmer threads already.
But hopefully it can be of use to some people.
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Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr Ordo Ministorum
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Posted - 2007.06.04 08:50:00 -
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Edited by: Solomunio Kzenig on 04/06/2007 08:50:03
Originally by: Alaknor Dresden I ganked an isk farmer the other day. How do I know? He actually told me he was an isk farmer. Not too bright.
-K
Hehe....some n00b i was talking to in local (and who i made a gift of 1mil ISK to help them along ), came out straight and said they were going to buy a mining ship and sell ISK ...i heavily advised them not to, and i'm keeping a eye on this joker. If i suspect he's ISK selling, its gank time...note: n00d admitted to planning to sell ISK AFTER i had given him the gift of 1 mil ISK....
One Empire, One People, One Emperor, Forever under Heaven. Amarr Aeternus.
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tiller
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.06.04 11:23:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 04/06/2007 11:22:28
Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 04/06/2007 05:41:43
I decided against posting a thread on the forums because IMO, theres enough anti-macro/farmer threads already.
But hopefully it can be of use to some people.
Originally by: Alaknor Dresden I ganked an isk farmer the other day. How do I know? He actually told me he was an isk farmer. Not too bright.
-K
I suggest you petition him.
Can I borrow your opux luxury yacht to do some gate camping in ?, I promise I'll return it in one piece.
Kleptomaniacs are recruiting evildoers. Join channel KLEPTO for info.
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Hellspawn01
Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.04 11:38:00 -
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Good read indeed.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2007.06.04 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 04/06/2007 05:41:43
I decided against posting a thread on the forums because IMO, theres enough anti-macro/farmer threads already.
But hopefully it can be of use to some people.
I tend to disagree. Anything useful should be tossed out for public consumption. For awhile the problem improved then it got worse again. I think the isk buyers came out of the woodwork
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Cruthensis
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Posted - 2007.06.04 12:46:00 -
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Wow! Top research!
This might be a bit 'sensitive' so forgive my curiousity, but what was the incentive for certain characters to send you their screenshots?! Whatever it was, job well done.
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DarkElf
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.04 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Loyal Servant
Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 04/06/2007 05:41:43
I decided against posting a thread on the forums because IMO, theres enough anti-macro/farmer threads already.
But hopefully it can be of use to some people.
I tend to disagree. Anything useful should be tossed out for public consumption. For awhile the problem improved then it got worse again. I think the isk buyers came out of the woodwork
I agree with him. the whole macro thing has been so blasted on the forums and it's really boring now. they will always exist in mmorg's. kill them when u see thenm. petition them if u have proof but just get on with it and enjoy the game. doesn't make the best reading material on the forums imo.
DE
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.04 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: voogru on 04/06/2007 15:11:16
Originally by: Cruthensis Wow! Top research!
This might be a bit 'sensitive' so forgive my curiousity, but what was the incentive for certain characters to send you their screenshots?! Whatever it was, job well done.
Members of this group joined a corporation, I had a discussion with the CEO and explained the situation. The CEO let my alt in and I went and murdered the farmers in his corporation, "happygir" then requested to the CEO that the corp replace his stuff.
"happygir" was the one which recruited this group into the corporation. I suggested to the CEO that we see their journals to prove they arent ISK farmers, they sent me some journals, not the ones I originally wanted. And these journals were probably the cleanest and it still incriminated them.
Originally by: tiller Can I borrow your opux luxury yacht to do some gate camping in ?, I promise I'll return it in one piece.
The yacht isnt exactly a very good ganking ship, but pay me enough money and I'll let you fly it on the test server.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.04 15:19:00 -
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Awesome guide tbh.
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lofty29
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.04 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Voogru I started my war against macro miners when I discovered the gang invite war mechanic, a mechanic that in ordinary game play was utterly useless because a true enemy would have no idea of who was ganged with you or not. At the time it was believed since these were macros, they would hit the ôEnterö key with the macro, and when you sent them a gang invite, the window was modal (meaning it took focus), and they would hit ôEnterö, and they would basically say ôYes Join warring gangö.
This was at a time that the players were not familiar with this mechanic and some lamers quickly took notice and figured it out and used it for other less honorable reasons.
Yeah, took notice. You didnt tell me exactly how to do it at all <3 ya voogru --- My sig has gone into exile
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.04 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29 Yeah, took notice. You didnt tell me exactly how to do it at all <3 ya voogru
I would have prefered someone else hunting beside me taking down the farmers along with me rather than ganking innocents, farmers deserve to be ganked.
Theres plenty of farmers to gank, I mean how else could you kill an Apocalypse class battleship with a Catalyst in a 1.0 system.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2007.06.04 22:12:00 -
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If you can stand the sec hit, and a lot of you 5.0 standing people can....
And, if your at a 5.0 you did a HELL of a lot of ratting... so you should have the isk..
A setup the guys gave me for ganking covetors in .7 and lower systems - 1 vexor with 4 neutron blasters and a full rack of mag stabs in the lows. have someone drop you 2 ogres in the belt, you drop 3 from your drone bay... scoop the other 2 and relaunch for 5...
target, point drones at and smack F1-4 real quick and do down in flames with the isk farmer. He will die way before you do...
If he has drones out your sec hit is even lower... :) make sure a pal is there in a hauler to scoop loot/ore and salvage the wrecks
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Acarion Sphinx
Violent Playground
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Posted - 2007.06.04 22:48:00 -
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Good read Voogru, some of my members really found that link interesting. Big ups for the investigation.
Just one thing though, looks like 38 identified farmer accounts has gone offline today. Think I need to find myself some new targets.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.04 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: voogru on 04/06/2007 22:52:03
Originally by: Loyal Servant If you can stand the sec hit, and a lot of you 5.0 standing people can....
And, if your at a 5.0 you did a HELL of a lot of ratting... so you should have the isk..
A setup the guys gave me for ganking covetors in .7 and lower systems - 1 vexor with 4 neutron blasters and a full rack of mag stabs in the lows. have someone drop you 2 ogres in the belt, you drop 3 from your drone bay... scoop the other 2 and relaunch for 5...
target, point drones at and smack F1-4 real quick and do down in flames with the isk farmer. He will die way before you do...
If he has drones out your sec hit is even lower... :) make sure a pal is there in a hauler to scoop loot/ore and salvage the wrecks
Theres plenty of ways to kill farmers other than losing security status. I might make a guide on this too.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2007.06.05 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 04/06/2007 22:52:03 Theres plenty of ways to kill farmers other than losing security status. I might make a guide on this too.
flipping cans or just generally being annoying... I have not been able to get them to agress in forever.
They used to if you used a frig or shuttle and have a ship in a safe... Or.. cloak and they think your gone..
Doesn't work for me anymore but if you have any other methods do tell
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Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr Ordo Ministorum
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Posted - 2007.06.05 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 04/06/2007 22:52:03
Originally by: Loyal Servant If you can stand the sec hit, and a lot of you 5.0 standing people can....
And, if your at a 5.0 you did a HELL of a lot of ratting... so you should have the isk..
A setup the guys gave me for ganking covetors in .7 and lower systems - 1 vexor with 4 neutron blasters and a full rack of mag stabs in the lows. have someone drop you 2 ogres in the belt, you drop 3 from your drone bay... scoop the other 2 and relaunch for 5...
target, point drones at and smack F1-4 real quick and do down in flames with the isk farmer. He will die way before you do...
If he has drones out your sec hit is even lower... :) make sure a pal is there in a hauler to scoop loot/ore and salvage the wrecks
Theres plenty of ways to kill farmers other than losing security status. I might make a guide on this too.
Signed! Would love to see this....feeling the need to get my 0.5 sec status lower!!!
One Empire, One People, One Emperor, Forever under Heaven. Amarr Aeternus.
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Flynn Walker
Caldari People's Front Of Judea DeStInY.
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Posted - 2007.06.05 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Loyal Servant flipping cans or just generally being annoying... I have not been able to get them to agress in forever.
They used to if you used a frig or shuttle and have a ship in a safe... Or.. cloak and they think your gone..
Doesn't work for me anymore but if you have any other methods do tell
One of my favorite methods is to find the ones that join a corporation, if they join an ISK Farmer corp (gibberish corp name), go to the HQ and make an application, a lot of the time they will blindly accept you into the corporation.
Then you can use the map to find out where they are and go blow them up, and as long as you do not dock they can not eject you from the corp unless they do a vote, which takes 24 hours.
So you have 24 hours to murder them all.
Just look at my bio and corp history, the one im in now isnt a farmer corp, but they had farmers and I murdered them and then they dropped out.
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Red Crown
Kudzu Collective Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.06.05 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Flynn Walker
Originally by: Loyal Servant flipping cans or just generally being annoying... I have not been able to get them to agress in forever.
They used to if you used a frig or shuttle and have a ship in a safe... Or.. cloak and they think your gone..
Doesn't work for me anymore but if you have any other methods do tell
One of my favorite methods is to find the ones that join a corporation, if they join an ISK Farmer corp (gibberish corp name), go to the HQ and make an application, a lot of the time they will blindly accept you into the corporation.
Then you can use the map to find out where they are and go blow them up, and as long as you do not dock they can not eject you from the corp unless they do a vote, which takes 24 hours.
So you have 24 hours to murder them all.
Just look at my bio and corp history, the one im in now isnt a farmer corp, but they had farmers and I murdered them and then they dropped out.
I think I just found a new hobby.
Amazing guide. I had never thought of that. I will definatly be putting that info to good news.
In other news - there are a lot of places where you can cause significant damage to a farming operation merely by disrupting it totally in - game. Evemail me for locations...some lowsec, some 0.0. - "The Mains Created the alts They rebelled They look...and feel...human Some are programmed to think they are human There are many alts. And they have a plan." - Forumstar Galactica |
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Lord Zoran
Caldari House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.06.06 12:42:00 -
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yea nice guide and i just petitioned some local isk farmers with that method --------------------------------------------- no sig for you !!! |
doctorstupid2
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.06 19:24:00 -
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I got a rather interesting isk farmer kill in Branch the other day. I was chasing one in my ishtar set up with 4 points for a few jumps (damn short-range scramblers) before he finally logged before uncloaking after a jump. But in that system were 5 people, including one hostile pilot and 4 farmer lookin fellows. So I hit scan and find a raven, arazu and exequror in a belt. Sounds fun, in I go.
Sure enough there's the hostile arazu attacking the raven, the exeq 50km out of the belt, I tackle the raven and send my drones after the arazu so I don't have to deal with them all at once, the exequror warps out shortly before the arazu does. I set to work on the raven, who's going down nicely, When I notice He's shooting back with T2 torps. Exequror named sy99999 (who had been scouting for the raven I was chasing that originally brought me here) warps back in and tries to damp me so the raven can get out. No luck, I'm practically dry humping the raven and he hasn't made it through my shields yet. Killmail sows full T2 setup, no stabs, and he had a disruptor fit. Definately not what you expect from a farmer.
Normally you'd think a character named "new Male" flying a T2 pvp raven around in 0.0 probably wasn't a farmer after all, just had poor name and corp selection, but given the jibberish named people trying to help him I had my suspicions. And then of course the fact that as soon as he exploded, a character named "new Male00" logged on IN ANOTHER RAVEN . tried to find that one too but he cloaked in his safespot before I could get my covops in.
And that's my farmer story. Definately an interesting breed of player to hunt.
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.06.06 19:27:00 -
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Did I miss something, since when has farming been against the EULA? I thought getting items/ISK faster than normally obtainable means (ie: macros) was the illegal part of it?
If he admits to being a farmer, is that no worse than admiting to be a scammer?
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Lithalnas
Amarr Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.06.06 19:40:00 -
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hmmmm i wonder if i could make an alt and have him pose as the isk reciver and scam them out of 5bil isk. ------------- Hadean Drive Yards The EvE inflation, 80 Macro miners, 1.5b isk/day |
doctorstupid2
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.06 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Did I miss something, since when has farming been against the EULA? I thought getting items/ISK faster than normally obtainable means (ie: macros) was the illegal part of it?
If he admits to being a farmer, is that no worse than admiting to be a scammer?
Yes, troll, you did miss something. Read, comprehend, THEN post.
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Nexa Necis
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Posted - 2007.06.06 21:20:00 -
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The depths of macro/pharming ISK operations are seriously staggering. I used to gank their cans,war dec their corps and such as well.
One night, I am not sure if it was by accident, but one of them invited me into their private macro channel. In the channel were all the haulers/protectors, the accounts which required more activity than the miner one.
I remember now, I was in Marthia several months ago. At the time there wasn't a station there. There are a lot of belts though and it was a very quiet system 1 jump from TMP. That meant, lots of ore in a dead system super close to a major trade hub, the only caveat was a little extra work to haul.
When you have 20 macroers and only 2 Itty 5's hauling, you get a lot of full cans. I went in with my main and all my alt accts, ganked almost every single can, approximately 30 or so and then managed to pop one hauler and several of the barges.
I hauled all of it to a safe spot and carted it out with my alts. They were furious.
So there were all these same names I had run into in various regions. All of them quite friendly with one another.
I would steal ore from a group in TMP, and someone in Molden Heath would convo me and tell me to leave. How would he know I stole from them unless they are friends/connected with each other.
Unfortunately for them, they had no clue how channel ops worked so no one could kick me from the channel, which infuriated them because they could no longer sit in their favorite channel and BS with each other. The channel was "HAPPY" I believe. They had a few others as well and I stayed in all of them until they went somewhere else. During that time though they would call for help when people would gank their cans, or would say which systems were quiet for some macroing. You would see the word "RMT" quite often in the channel as well. RMT=Real Money Transfer. ISK selling.
I agree that more and more of them are "hiding" in normal player corps, and lots of those corps get into alliances. In the past I would email screenshots and chatlogs to the alliance heads and corp CEO's and they would do nothing simply because I was a pirate which meant that everything I said was a lie, and all my screenies were photochopped and the chat logs fabricated. Go figure.
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.06.06 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: doctorstupid2
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Did I miss something, since when has farming been against the EULA? I thought getting items/ISK faster than normally obtainable means (ie: macros) was the illegal part of it?
If he admits to being a farmer, is that no worse than admiting to be a scammer?
Yes, troll, you did miss something. Read, comprehend, THEN post.
Lol, irony, thy name ist Dr. Stupid (2).
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.06 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Originally by: doctorstupid2
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Did I miss something, since when has farming been against the EULA? I thought getting items/ISK faster than normally obtainable means (ie: macros) was the illegal part of it?
If he admits to being a farmer, is that no worse than admiting to be a scammer?
Yes, troll, you did miss something. Read, comprehend, THEN post.
Lol, irony, thy name ist Dr. Stupid (2).
Everybody farms ISK.
Even I do it.
But nobody in their right mind, farms all of the ISK, and then gives it all away by purposly claiming contract scams or player donations, for their entire life.
In other words... they are transfering their ISK to an ISK seller.
Thats the problem.
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.06.06 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: voogru
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Originally by: doctorstupid2
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Did I miss something, since when has farming been against the EULA? I thought getting items/ISK faster than normally obtainable means (ie: macros) was the illegal part of it?
If he admits to being a farmer, is that no worse than admiting to be a scammer?
Yes, troll, you did miss something. Read, comprehend, THEN post.
Lol, irony, thy name ist Dr. Stupid (2).
Everybody farms ISK.
Even I do it.
But nobody in their right mind, farms all of the ISK, and then gives it all away by purposly claiming contract scams or player donations, for their entire life.
In other words... they are transfering their ISK to an ISK seller.
Thats the problem.
Thats all the proof I need! Ban Voogru!
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.06.07 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 04/06/2007 05:41:43
I decided against posting a thread on the forums because IMO, theres enough anti-macro/farmer threads already.
But hopefully it can be of use to some people.
Originally by: Alaknor Dresden I ganked an isk farmer the other day. How do I know? He actually told me he was an isk farmer. Not too bright.
-K
I suggest you petition him.
*sigh* I could I suppose, to what end? He loses one acount of 20 and starts another?
I am of the camp who thinks it pretty pointless to petition isk farmers. I'll just continously blow them up until the leave my neck of the woods, and I don't have to see another "erzup1964."
-Karlemgne
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
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