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SFShootme
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2007.06.06 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dionisius Yeh fit 3x tracking disruptors and sacrifice your tank. Any good pilot fitted with neutrons and full gank setup will crush the raven in no time.
armor tank the raven, fit 5x tracking disrupts and a scram.... Good luck mega with 20meter optimal Tho shall give Life, for Life. |
Dionisius
Gallente LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL
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Posted - 2007.06.06 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: SFShootme
Originally by: Dionisius Yeh fit 3x tracking disruptors and sacrifice your tank. Any good pilot fitted with neutrons and full gank setup will crush the raven in no time.
armor tank the raven, fit 5x tracking disrupts and a scram.... Good luck mega with 20meter optimal
A couple of m8s of mine have tried that ( 2x tracking disruptors) on a rigged Raven, by by raven, 1200 wreaking shots.
Raven went down just took a bit more time but nothing that actually makes the difference.
The harder part of the raven is the shield, after that its all joy for a properly fitted mega with a good skilled pilot.
One thing i reckon, torpedoes do hurt, especially the T2 ones. And raven rigged with cap regen rigs and pumping the shield up is very very effective and very hard do bring down. _______________________
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Janu Hull
Caldari Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.06 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 05/06/2007 13:55:37 I'm at the end of my knowledge. I tried like gazillions of different setups but I just always get owned by those mighty Megas! I cant outrun them, I cant outdamage them, I cant outtank tank them, even if I nos them like mad I get owned still! So if you are a successfull raven piloting mega pwner share your wisdom and setup with me!
1) Dock the Raven, 2) Load the Vagabond, 3) WTFPWN the Megathron, 4) Profit.
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.06 14:40:00 -
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There's no way in hell you are killing a megathron with a vagabond =/
Not if the megathron has any clue at all.
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Janu Hull
Caldari Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.06 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa There's no way in hell you are killing a megathron with a vagabond =/
Not if the megathron has any clue at all.
Maybe, but then again, you'll likely drive him to tears trying to keep up with you and he'll leave in frustration after blistering his fingers against the keyboard hurling smack.
Victory doesn't always mean leaving one side or another in a pod.
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Sacre
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Posted - 2007.06.06 15:00:00 -
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Most of the sugestions here are cinda ********.. Tracking disruptors? once he got you webbed, and gett in range, they wont help you at all.. he'll just have to keep the aroach or "keep range 500 or 1000m) action on you, and he'll hitt just as good. The best one I'w seen so far, is tanking more specificly for the mega, (unlucky you if he has heavy em drones.. ) Or using a mix of webber drones, and dampeners.. Dampening ravens are scary!
My gues is the last one is your best bett!
Good luck!
Ps. This whole thread made me think of the old days, when you used to gett bounced around by missiles, spechially cruise missiles.. if you had good skills, you could keep a shipp from warping by stacking your missiles on him.. keeping him out of alignment by the missile bumpage!! Good old memmories!
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errorist
Caldari Free Mercenaries Union FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.06 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Mega can only do real dps with two damage types.
only 2 types ? last time i checked a megathron can Yield 5 Heavy drones II that in it self is about 300 dps for me :) and i can chose what damage i would like to boost.
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DrElJefeMD
Caldari Incoherent Inc
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Posted - 2007.06.06 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u Or dampen raven,pack 3 plus web drones and orbit out of his locking range.
Yep. three T2 damps on that raven will reduce him to less than 18km (or 21, cant remember) lock range (thats with one SB). Orbit outside 25 km (unless he has faction/officer NOS) and go to town.
Regards
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PartyVaN
Minmatar The Hand Trade Alliance FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.06 18:12:00 -
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what if you tank with just Therm and Ken hardeners? 2x T2 Ken and 2x T2 Therm (Blaster Megas always fit ogres dont they?) You could probably push high 80s with both. Maybe sacrifice one Launcher for a heavy Neut (along with two other heavy Nos).
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Dionisius
Gallente LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL
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Posted - 2007.06.06 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa There's no way in hell you are killing a megathron with a vagabond =/
Not if the megathron has any clue at all.
Joke of the year award!
Get real, been there, done that. _______________________
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.07 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: errorist
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Mega can only do real dps with two damage types.
only 2 types ? last time i checked a megathron can Yield 5 Heavy drones II that in it self is about 300 dps for me :) and i can chose what damage i would like to boost.
True.
But unlike the Dominix, you can only really carry one damage type to focus at. And my experience is that Ogres are the favoured type even in a megathron. Another problem is that if you field 5 heavy drones, you become more vulnerable to smaller ships.
But I do see your point.
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R3dSh1ft
Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.06.07 05:58:00 -
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armor tank the raven (pure Kin/Therm) and use the midslots for extended tackle/ecm. Keep the mega at range and slowly take his tank, either he runs out of armor (no reppr) or runs out of cap boost charges. Whichever way you'll struggle to keep him there without a friend to double-web. _________________________________________________________
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tiller
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.06.07 06:02:00 -
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As others have said, rage raven with heavy tank, I find a dread co-pro in low slot makes fitting alot easier...
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Iced Casing
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Posted - 2007.06.07 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: R3dSh1ft armor tank the raven (pure Kin/Therm) and use the midslots for extended tackle/ecm. Keep the mega at range and slowly take his tank, either he runs out of armor (no reppr) or runs out of cap boost charges. Whichever way you'll struggle to keep him there without a friend to double-web.
finaly someone who realized that with 5 lows you can armor tank ... especially if you throw in 3 more rigs .. whatever you like ... armor resistance ones, armor repair eficiency or whatever it comes through your mind ... the thing is now with the rigs the raven is back in business ... you can armor tank it and you have 6!!! meds for you friend in the mega to go pure blind all the way ... IT is posible ... it depends on the situation and i saw someone saying earlyer that you need 5 t2 large drones in the raven .... news flash YOU CANT FIT 5 HEAVYS in a raven.
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Bentula
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Posted - 2007.06.07 17:14:00 -
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Pretty sure a armortanked raven would have less dps than a myrmidon while also having a worse tank. But you would have one more midslot ... not my preferred setup tbh.
Personally i would try something that involves a MWD, a injector and maybe 2 overdrives and 3 mass reduction rigs. If you can keep the mega at over 20km from you its damage will be alot more reasonable. You would probably both run out of cap but your weapons will work regardless of that while his will not. Oh and use your med drones to kill his heavys, its gonna be a long fight.
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Panzer Goddess
New Dawn Rising
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Posted - 2007.06.07 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Dionisius Yeh fit 3x tracking disruptors and sacrifice your tank. Any good pilot fitted with neutrons and full gank setup will crush the raven in no time.
Agreed, tr's do horrible things to a mega, unless you have some speed at all your still gonna be hit. Once your webbed and your not moving fast enough you still gonna get it. Range is huge when it comes to megas, stay out and you will have a btter chance at living. Im a mega flier myself, I have maxed skills in gunnery, that means everyone at 5 for hybrid, blasters etc. Close range is brutal, gank setup will crush just about anyship that is not fitted for it, ecm, ecm drones, damps, tracking disrupts. Even a nos domi will get crushed. 7 neuts with over a 11.0 dam mod with 5 zerks or ogre 2's does quite alot of dps.
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.06.07 22:55:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 07/06/2007 22:54:56 wtf is up with the myrmidom fetish. A torp raven will WTF OWN your myrmidom. IT will deal +650 DPS + pick your weakest spot + have 2 heavy nos on you.
A rigged myrmidom will armortank about raw 145 dps (and thats a lot). It has around 65%-70% resist using a T2 setup. 227,5 DPS will hit youre myrmidom. Remember at this point the myrmidom is more expensive as the raven. The financial loss is even bigger.
A non rigged (maxed mechanic, bc) myrmidom will tank 98 dps, if you dont have BC 5 and repairsystems 5 you will tank less. In 6 vollies you will be close to dead. _________________________________________________ Breetime
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Horza Otho
Minmatar Infortunatus Eventus Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.06.07 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Janu Hull
Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 05/06/2007 13:55:37 I'm at the end of my knowledge. I tried like gazillions of different setups but I just always get owned by those mighty Megas! I cant outrun them, I cant outdamage them, I cant outtank tank them, even if I nos them like mad I get owned still! So if you are a successfull raven piloting mega pwner share your wisdom and setup with me!
1) Dock the Raven, 2) Load the Vagabond, 3) WTFPWN the Megathron, 4) Profit.
IS this before or after i've loaded null?
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.07 23:17:00 -
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Some ships are great agaisnt others and there is nothign you can do to change.
A Mega will with same SP level and prie on setup defeat a raven 9 in 10 times. But atempest will defeat the mega in 9 of 10 times by dictating the range.. but the raven will defeat the tempest!!!!
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Bentula
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Posted - 2007.06.08 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap Edited by: madaluap on 07/06/2007 22:54:56 wtf is up with the myrmidom fetish. A torp raven will WTF OWN your myrmidom. IT will deal +650 DPS + pick your weakest spot + have 2 heavy nos on you.
A rigged myrmidom will armortank about raw 145 dps (and thats a lot). It has around 65%-70% resist using a T2 setup. 227,5 DPS will hit youre myrmidom. Remember at this point the myrmidom is more expensive as the raven. The financial loss is even bigger.
A non rigged (maxed mechanic, bc) myrmidom will tank 98 dps, if you dont have BC 5 and repairsystems 5 you will tank less. In 6 vollies you will be close to dead.
Let me explain this "fetish". A myrm costs only the fraction of a raven. It is much faster and more agile, you can use it for roamings where people would hit you with a stick for bringing a raven. Just with t1 drones it does 360 dps for me, then again i like fitting t2 and guns to my ships bringing me to 700 dps(without damage mods i might add). And i will have:
1.MWD 2.web 3.scram 4.cap injector 5.sensor booster 6.Bonused dual rep tank in lows
About that owning part, i only got owned once by a single ship that couldnt tackle and that was me in a shuttle by a sniperbs at a gate.
About your raven setup, pls link the torpraven setup that does 650 raw dps to a 300 sig target while having a tank holding >500 dps AND running 2 heavy nos. Somehow i need 4 PDU2 just to fit the siege + nos, so pls enlighten me.
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KD.Fluffy
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.06.08 08:00:00 -
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if the raven has a brain, he wont be using nos on you. He'll get someone else to tackle, while he pounds you from 200km away. Try breaking his tank at that range. Behold my evidince of BOB favoritism.
Originally by: Dianabolic We have a "special" line (if you want to call msn that) to our FRIENDS.
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Bentula
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Posted - 2007.06.08 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: KD.Fluffy if the raven has a brain, he wont be using nos on you. He'll get someone else to tackle, while he pounds you from 200km away. Try breaking his tank at that range.
Yeah sure so you have a invincible tackler and the raven at 200km away. But you forgot that i have a carrier remote boosting me and a titan waiting for cyno. Guess you didnt expect hat huh?
Its pointless making up scenarios where a raven will wtfpwn ship x if it gets y as support. Thats like saying raven will do fine vs a mega if you have 3 of em and the mega jumped into your bubble. Its equally pointless trying to make up special fittings just to beat a common and wellworking pvp setup of another ship. Unless ofc all you want to do is winning a bet with your buddy that you could defeat his ship in your ship.
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Ghargon
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 08:42:00 -
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The problem is that even when tracking disrupted the megas drones do enough damage to take out a poorly armour tanked raven. So dont realy bother tanking it, and although it doesnt work quite as well now, 1v1 it is still pretty awesome with god skills.
hi: 6 x siege t2 2x medium neut / nos mid: 4x ecm multi II 1x medium cap booster 1x 20km scram low: 3x bcu II 1x damage control 1x med armor rep II
Drones: 5 vespa ec-600's
He's not gonna be able to lock you, and your damage will be pretty high (around 650 dps). If you want to splash out, you can throw on a couple of rigs either to increase your resists (athough your ecm is your tank) or enhance your jamming capabilities. This setup works pretty well with sensor damps and/or tracking disruptors in place of the ECM's. I never think of the future - It comes soon enough
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.08 10:43:00 -
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1vs1 ... you really can't win. To win you need 2x web and scrambler or scrambler + mwd + EW and injector... now after fitting this if you manage to get something decent on raven... well good luck.
I was using 6x siege II, med neut, 3x jammers, mwd, sbII, 28km scram, 3x bcu, 2x wcs before heavy nerfs of said stuff and it could beat blasterthrons. Now... I won't give you much chance.
Rigged for dampeners raven with 4 damps will manage to wtfpwn thron's lock(talking about 60+ seconds) but you won't really kill him with it. (He might even kill you faster with his drones :D ) -------- I tanked D2 capital fleet and all I got was truncated Erebus mail.
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Ceremony Garp
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Posted - 2007.06.08 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mathias Orsen ...Solo, I've never run across a raven that could even break my myrmidon's tank... let alone the tank on a BS. ..
Dear Mathias,
No offence, but you must have met some of the worst Raven pilots in EvE if they couldn't break your Myrmidon.
Rage Raven with twin Phased Weapon target painters, dampeners/tracking disruptor, sensor booster 24km scram, web and a armour tank with 1600 plates. If you can, stick some nos in the remaining two hi's.
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Dionisius
Gallente LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL
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Posted - 2007.06.08 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Horza Otho
Originally by: Janu Hull
Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 05/06/2007 13:55:37 I'm at the end of my knowledge. I tried like gazillions of different setups but I just always get owned by those mighty Megas! I cant outrun them, I cant outdamage them, I cant outtank tank them, even if I nos them like mad I get owned still! So if you are a successfull raven piloting mega pwner share your wisdom and setup with me!
1) Dock the Raven, 2) Load the Vagabond, 3) WTFPWN the Megathron, 4) Profit.
IS this before or after i've loaded null?
After you go pop and then squish, you don't have enough tracking to keep up with a vagabond, and the smart pilot will, keep you scrambled, away from NOS, and pop x5 your drones first.
After that its only a matter of attrition, unless you fit officer stuff. _______________________
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Cletus Graeme
Caldari Bladerunners Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2007.06.08 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: KD.Fluffy if the raven has a brain, he wont be using nos on you. He'll get someone else to tackle, while he pounds you from 200km away. Try breaking his tank at that range.
LOL......just......LOL
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.08 13:00:00 -
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Quote: 6x Arbalest Siege with Bane torpedoes, 5 slot tank consisting of XL C5-L booster, boost amp I, 3x inv field II's, heavy electrochemical injector in 6th slot. Four BCU II, one Internal Force Field Array in the lows, oh and five Hammerhead II's in the drone bay...
Nope even with full high grade crystals u die:)
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.08 13:02:00 -
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Quote: Statistically, Ravens are so weak on damage output that when engaged with multiple BS's the Raven is the ship I just ignore till all the others are dead, warped off, or have me looking at my pod. Solo, I've never run across a raven that could even break my myrmidon's tank... let alone the tank on a BS.
thats funny because i can kill most other ships in a raven 1 on 1:)
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.08 13:06:00 -
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Quote: There's no way in hell you are killing a megathron with a vagabond =/
My Rokh once got owned by a dampening/ecming/nosing ishtar . Do not underestimate small ships with decent ewar fitted:)
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