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Veng3ance
Illicit Technologies
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Posted - 2007.06.11 18:30:00 -
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Hahaha! This thread is awsome.
1st) Good job CCP, place that blame where it should be.
2nd) Goons.....STFU
3rd) Anyone else find it funny the goons are all replying like "what! we never said they cheat!"
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Lee Bian
Amarryan Nations GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.11 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Veng3ance Hahaha! This thread is awsome.3rd) Anyone else find it funny the goons are all replying like "what! we never said they cheat!"
let's ask t20 about that
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Thesas
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.06.11 18:33:00 -
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Others await the ôright thingö to be said as well. With similar count downs.
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Xalorn
Butcherbirds
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Posted - 2007.06.11 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Thesas Others await the ôright thingö to be said as well. With similar count downs.
Yes we do. CCP I want to believe.
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John McFly
Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.11 18:45:00 -
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CCP really, really needs to hire an outside PR firm.
Did you guys ever watch Office Space? You know the guy that takes the specs from the customers to the engineers, because the engineers cant talk to the customers? Yeah. You need one of them. And he'll need to come in on Saturday to fix all of your disasters.
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Kaylana Syi
The Nest
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Posted - 2007.06.11 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/06/2007 15:37:51
Originally by: Cheunger
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Deaken Fiss do you believe in what you are writing here?
Please explain how making up lies about CCP and submitting them to dozens of news sites and magazines is not an attempt to defame the company.
Please explain why all changes are made after BoD has exploited things to the fullest?
Titan, POS bowling, etc. We all know FIX would have fallen on their asses if big brother BoD wasn't there with their Titans.
Are you that delusional?
Lets take POS bowling. You know who invented it? IAC.
You know who copied IAC? BoB.
You know who was petitioned and told to never do it again or get banned? BoB.
You know who then did it even when BoB was told not to? Evil Thug, of AAA. He stole BoB carriers this way.
Then, and only then, BoB resumed doing it.
If you don't like POS bowling, blame Evil Thug, or blame CCP. Don't blame BoB, who didn't start it and didn't get it declared legal either.
IAC has been POS bowling for a long time. I know this for a fact. ISS know this for a fact.
More, lets blaim BoB for all the wrong in EVE, from the peanut gallery. It is true the t20 debacle was horrid and its true BoB could have been more empathetic towards the community when it was released.
Blaiming CCP months later with anecdotal evidence that is just as easily crap as it is gold is pretty poor. Goons accomplished a lot, and now its just rotten tomatoes because the appearance of defeat makes them look like chumps.
In fact, its not loosing to crap game mechanics that is making them look like Chumps, the community can overlook that-they are horrible game mechanics. However, Threadnoughting and trying to ruin a company do make Goons look like Chumps of the highest order.
If that is the legacy of GS then what a waste of potential.
Team Minmatar
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Abye
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.11 19:02:00 -
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After all that media attention focused on the goons, the story about ISD Raekhan/Graelyn went into the background. The dev character Admiral Chamrajnagar getting renamed also adds some Tinfoilery ___
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Kaylana Syi
The Nest
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Posted - 2007.06.11 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Abye After all that media attention focused on the goons, the story about ISD Raekhan/Graelyn went into the background. The dev character Admiral Chamrajnagar getting renamed also adds some Tinfoilery
If you want to believe it. Not everything thats said on the interweb by your neighborhood spiderhacker is true.
Team Minmatar
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Kaplanelle
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.11 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: 4P's I thought I jump in here, to prevent any further misunderstanding of what I actually said and meant.
I have met many Goonswarm pilots both in-game and out-of-game and I know they are only trying to enjoy the game like everyone else, and are far removed from all the stuff that has been happening lately. That comment I made pertains to those very few that seem to be masterminding the never ending attacks on CCP.
To the question if I actually play the game then the answer is yes, as I have stated many times before. That quote on the Doomsday device makes no sense to me also, so I must assume the editor simply misquoted, which is not that uncommon with phone interviews.
Now how about some positive posts about my other excellent comments ?
Cheers,
Magnus
Can we all chip in for a Damage Control II mod here for the gentleman in Iceland?
OK... your commment was waaay too casual and made no efforts to discriminate. If you know of many sincere goons, why didn't that come to mind when you answered the question? Also, can CCP cite any proof of malice as far as the initial claims made in the official open letter?
Three other little words of PR advice:
* If you get misquoted, try to explain what was meant to be conveyed in the first place * Contact TenTon and have them put a correction in * As the HYDRA dude said, you do need some serious help in the department. I don't know if cultural differences are coming into play here, but CCP has many beyond the pale of customer insulting statements and improper tone.
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Dal Thrax
Caldari Multiverse Corporation The Core Collective
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Posted - 2007.06.11 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jamie Hara Edited by: Jamie Hara on 11/06/2007 15:00:57 Please explain this statement:
Magnus: First, Titans have the Doomsday Device, which obliterates smaller ships if nothing is tanking for them. But many of the larger ships can protect the smaller ships from that sort of thing.
"But many of the larger ships can protect the smaller ships from that sort of thing."
The only thing I can think of is docking with a carrier/mom.
Dal
Someone please explain how larger ships can protect the smaller ships from a Doomsday Device.
Things I learned playing PnP RPGs:
1)Always assume that the players will bring the maximum available firepower against a peaceful objective.
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AegriSomnia
Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.11 19:18:00 -
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Edited by: AegriSomnia on 11/06/2007 19:21:59 Edited by: AegriSomnia on 11/06/2007 19:21:17 Magnus: They refuse to admit that theyÆre losing to another alliance, and the only explanation that they can figure out is that those guys are cheating. Not just that theyÆre cheating, but that theyÆre cheating in cooperation with employees at CCP. That seems to be the only logical explanation that theyÆre coming up with.
Magnus, If you are still reading, can you please explain the above comment and how it relates, specifically, to the t20 incident? Can you also address in your response the statement by BoB (quotes can be provided for you) that they have devs on MSN Messenger and how they use that contact to circumvent the traditional and normally accepted methods for contacting devs, which is the petition system?
I fin your statement egregious. My stomach is turning, like a punch to the gut. I hope you were misquoted here, as you cite evidence that you have already been misquoted in that interview.
One last thing, we will never admit what is not true. We will fight until the last frig in the last system has been summerily destroyed and even the we will have a go at them. DEATH FIRST!!!!!!
Write this down Magnus, and keep it near your desk, as it is a quote that defines the Goons, to me anyway, and maybe you can look at us with a different perspective.
The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is nanve and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair. ~H. L. Mencken
Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
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Kraven Kor
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.06.11 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/06/2007 15:37:51
Originally by: Cheunger
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Deaken Fiss do you believe in what you are writing here?
Please explain how making up lies about CCP and submitting them to dozens of news sites and magazines is not an attempt to defame the company.
Please explain why all changes are made after BoD has exploited things to the fullest?
Titan, POS bowling, etc. We all know FIX would have fallen on their asses if big brother BoD wasn't there with their Titans.
Are you that delusional?
Lets take POS bowling. You know who invented it? IAC.
You know who copied IAC? BoB.
You know who was petitioned and told to never do it again or get banned? BoB.
You know who then did it even when BoB was told not to? Evil Thug, of AAA. He stole BoB carriers this way.
Then, and only then, BoB resumed doing it.
If you don't like POS bowling, blame Evil Thug, or blame CCP. Don't blame BoB, who didn't start it and didn't get it declared legal either.
IAC has been POS bowling for a long time. I know this for a fact. ISS know this for a fact.
More, lets blaim BoB for all the wrong in EVE, from the peanut gallery. It is true the t20 debacle was horrid and its true BoB could have been more empathetic towards the community when it was released.
Blaiming CCP months later with anecdotal evidence that is just as easily crap as it is gold is pretty poor. Goons accomplished a lot, and now its just rotten tomatoes because the appearance of defeat makes them look like chumps.
In fact, its not loosing to crap game mechanics that is making them look like Chumps, the community can overlook that-they are horrible game mechanics. However, Threadnoughting and trying to ruin a company do make Goons look like Chumps of the highest order.
If that is the legacy of GS then what a waste of potential.
Actually, some of us THANK THEM for the Threadnaught. I'm sorry, but accusations there still haven't been accurately or completely addressed, and it is the ONLY PROVEN WAY to get CCP to even RESPOND to concerns of impropriety.
So, YOU may think Goons are out to destroy EVE but I AND MANY OTHERS DO NOT.
And nothing DBP, or any player on these forums, will change the mind of anyone on EITHER SIDE of this issue.
ONLY CCP CAN QUASH THIS, AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DO SO BY PUSHING THE BLAME ONTO GOONS. ----- You're not what you are, you're just what you do! So it ends with their butts and it starts with your shoe! - Awesome Car Fun Maker |
Szprinkoth Sponsz
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.06.11 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kraven Kor
ONLY CCP CAN QUASH THIS, AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DO SO BY PUSHING THE BLAME ONTO GOONS.
Go back to YCS and cry more to AxeManiac, please.
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Kraven Kor
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.06.11 19:44:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz
Originally by: Kraven Kor
ONLY CCP CAN QUASH THIS, AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DO SO BY PUSHING THE BLAME ONTO GOONS.
Go back to YCS and cry more to AxeManiac, please.
What is YCS and who is AxeManiac???
Don't pidgeon-hole me in with any group here. My reasons are my own and I'm not on either of the current bandwagons. ----- You're not what you are, you're just what you do! So it ends with their butts and it starts with your shoe! - Awesome Car Fun Maker |
Sir Lolle
Amarr Band of Brolols
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Posted - 2007.06.11 19:57:00 -
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BoB never cheated
CCP treats all of their customers with perfect equality
The developers are not only intimately aware of what is wrong with the game but are actively fixing it.
The threadnaught was completely unwarranted because everyone knows that when CCP is faced with scandal they always do the right thing and start effective investigations into the matter instead of threatening to ban their userbase. Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected][orange] with a link to your signature. - Elm |
Kraven Kor
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.06.11 20:35:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Kraven Kor
Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz
Originally by: Kraven Kor
ONLY CCP CAN QUASH THIS, AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DO SO BY PUSHING THE BLAME ONTO GOONS.
Go back to YCS and cry more to AxeManiac, please.
What is YCS and who is AxeManiac???
Don't pidgeon-hole me in with any group here. My reasons are my own and I'm not on either of the current bandwagons.
Seriously, someone, anyone -- What is YCS and who is AxeManiac? What was Sprinklez or whatever his name is babbling about? ----- You're not what you are, you're just what you do! So it ends with their butts and it starts with your shoe! - Awesome Car Fun Maker |
Alias11
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.11 20:42:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz
Originally by: Kraven Kor
ONLY CCP CAN QUASH THIS, AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DO SO BY PUSHING THE BLAME ONTO GOONS.
Go back to YCS and cry more to AxeManiac, please.
Import some drama about it, why dont you
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Cipher7
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.11 20:49:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Aleric Vikyz Well, at least we don't have to worry about Magnus being involved in a T20-like scandle. I doubt he's in an Alliance. It doesn't look like he even plays the game!
QFT
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Namingway
Important Yet Underrated Video Game Characters
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Posted - 2007.06.11 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands Was I the only person who noticed that Kieron's big massive page debunking the allegations glossed over the rigged Aurora in THREE lines?
Do you realize how assinine that allegation actually is?
For a game like EVE, which is supposedly so RP-heavy with its players, you'd think the idea of stories having an ideal outcome is something to be expected.
Only a novice DM would start a campaign with no overall goal.
Originally by: CCP kieron If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.
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Alias11
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.11 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Namingway Only a novice DM would start a campaign with no overall goal.
maybe if you're playing a crappy railroaded 3.5 game
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Jovoich
Other World Inc
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Posted - 2007.06.11 21:01:00 -
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Stop moaning u lazy sods, think u could make a better game?! if so stfu and do it.. send me an email when ur better than ccp and eve and I will come and play ur game. Until then help out by givin advice that can make the game better, rather than bin a bunch of old women.
Thanks
Jovoich Other World Inc |
Kraven Kor
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.06.11 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Alias11
Originally by: Namingway Only a novice DM would start a campaign with no overall goal.
maybe if you're playing a crappy railroaded 3.5 game
A GM event having a pre-defined finish is one thing.
A GM event having a pre-defined finish WHICH FAVORS A PLAYER, PLAYER CORP, OR PLAYER ALLIANCE is something completely different.
Remember, GM events usually have rewards to the "winning" player(s). So, a rigged event will thus have rigged rewards, ya dig? ----- You're not what you are, you're just what you do! So it ends with their butts and it starts with your shoe! - Awesome Car Fun Maker |
B Glorious
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.11 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jovoich Stop moaning u lazy sods, think u could make a better game?! if so stfu and do it.. send me an email when ur better than ccp and eve and I will come and play ur game. Until then help out by givin advice that can make the game better, rather than bin a bunch of old women.
I very much doubt that I could construct a Gremlin, but that doesn't invalidate my opinion on automobile engineering.
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Kraven Kor
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.06.11 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Jovoich Stop moaning u lazy sods, think u could make a better game?! if so stfu and do it.. send me an email when ur better than ccp and eve and I will come and play ur game. Until then help out by givin advice that can make the game better, rather than bin a bunch of old women.
Actually, most of us ARE trying to make the game better, by trying to get CCP to face facts on these issues -- again, I don't entirely think massive cheating has occurred, but am rather upset at HOW CCP has been handling things - DENY, DELETE, and DENOUNCE are not working.
In fact, it seems to me most of the WHINING (and ad-hom attacks, and personal attacks, and flames, and most other ineffective forms of Forum-fu) is coming from the side defending against the allegations.
----- You're not what you are, you're just what you do! So it ends with their butts and it starts with your shoe! - Awesome Car Fun Maker |
Cipher7
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.11 21:22:00 -
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Its not the fact that a dev was caught helping BoB.
Its the fact that he got outed by a player, not by CCP.
So when someone says "CCP did an investigation and..." Yeah until the next whistleblower drops the bomb, then he'll get banned from the game just like the first whistleblower.
You shouldn't have banned Kugutsumen. Ppl like him are the only way the community gets information of developer misconduct.
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Jovoich
Other World Inc
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Posted - 2007.06.11 21:23:00 -
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Edited by: Jovoich on 11/06/2007 21:23:58 Edited by: Jovoich on 11/06/2007 21:23:11 Edited by: Jovoich on 11/06/2007 21:22:06 just read it, u no most people are chattin crap, and rather than just come up with 'oh ccp ur so silly (add stronger word there)' why not say 'Nice idea ccp for coming up with the fantastic idea that has been placed in the ny times, I would like to put myself 4 wards for that'
to all u lazy sods out there who havnt seen it
www.nytimes.com/2007/06/07/arts/07eve.html?_r=4&pagewanted=1&oref=slogin Thanks
Jovoich Other World Inc |
Sertan Deras
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Posted - 2007.06.11 21:24:00 -
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Personally, I'm of the mind that where there is smoke, there is fire. Look, it's proven fact at this point that at least one person at CCP cheated to help BoB, period, end of story. So if CCP is still being so evasive about the whole thing, and to top it off is attacking BoB's main rival in the press, what is your average player supposed to think? It looks REALLY bad on CCP and BoB. The comments earlier about people "in the EVE community knowing that GS is wrong" is kind of funny, because outside of the EVE community, people that casually follow EVE think that BoB is dirty as hell. It's a running joke in some of the communities I frequent. In fact, one corp for a game-in-development I am following uses the tag line "Like BoB, without the developer assisted cheating". So you guys can hate GS all you want, but the facts are there. Someone at CCP cheated to help BoB, that person was not properly punished (that we know of), CCP has remained evasive and aggressive about the issue, and strange goings on involving GS including supposed "bug fixing" and in-press attacks have happened. Some of you need to take off your blinders and look at all those issues from the macro, outside looking in view and tell me what you see.
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Jovoich
Other World Inc
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Posted - 2007.06.11 21:32:00 -
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bob are nothing but a big ass alliance that get things done, (no im not a bob alt or have anything to do with bob ingame) they are no different to what was once d2 or g alliance or anyone else, except there the only alliance who in the whole of eve have a chance of owning all 0.0. people don't like that... Well once again u dont like it try and change it.. if every play out there that didnt like bob got to gether and went to kill them, they wouldnt last 2 second EVEN if every member of ccp was givin them t2 light missile bpos. Thanks
Jovoich Other World Inc |
Kraven Kor
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.06.11 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jovoich GO READ THIS!!!!! U CAN HELP MAKE SURE THERE ARNT ANYMORE CHEATERS IN CCP!!!!!!!!
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/07/arts/07eve.html?_r=4&pagewanted=1&oref=slogin
ffs people stop crying on about crap thats finished, they have given EVERYONE a chance to make sure that they arnt any more bad eggs. put ur name 4wards.. like with people who dont vote if rl, if ur not willing to give ur time to try and correct the 'problems' then u dont ave the right to cry about them
(yes I know the link dont work, try good old copy and paste or the link on the eve online home page)
Is that link just the story? If so, there was a "no reg" link floating around somewhere.
Also, most everyone in this thread HAS read this, so I'm missing your point I guess.
Also, this isn't "finished" as new stuff keeps coming forward and it keeps being whitewashed. Whether it is due to threads being deleted, forum bans, petitions unanswered, or blanket statements about the malicious intent of their customers, we keep getting responses from CCP that only serve to fan the flames and raise more questions. ----- You're not what you are, you're just what you do! So it ends with their butts and it starts with your shoe! - Awesome Car Fun Maker |
AegriSomnia
Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.11 21:34:00 -
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Edited by: AegriSomnia on 11/06/2007 21:34:41
Originally by: Jovoich
Stop moaning u lazy sods
Originally by: Jovoich
to all u lazy sods out there who havnt seen it
Stop callin me a sod, you limey bastard!!
Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
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