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Goose1965
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Posted - 2007.06.11 20:49:00 -
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I have heard in the next patch you will not be able to delegate fighters, except in line of sight. I have looked everywhere, but cannot find any mention of this in the upcoming patch notes.
Does anyone know if this is confirmed or a rumor...or could you point me to the right place where this is discussed.
Thanks much,
Goose
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Kiyano
Caldari Pilots Of Honour
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Posted - 2007.06.11 22:10:00 -
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As far as i'm aware its just something that is being discussed by CCP at the moment, its not final. It was mentioned in a dev blog I believe, one of the latest ones as a possible change to carriers.
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Lore Isander
Caldari Sybrite Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.11 22:16:00 -
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Finaly a stop to those poshuggers..
USE YOUR CARRIER LIKE IT SHOULD BE USED, AS FRONTLINE SUPPORT! ---
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SasRipper
DIE WITH HONOUR
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Posted - 2007.06.11 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lore Isander Finaly a stop to those poshuggers..
USE YOUR CARRIER LIKE IT SHOULD BE USED, AS FRONTLINE SUPPORT!
qft! OMG EVE IS RISK VS REWARD BUT BUT I WANA SIT @ MY POS
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.11 22:24:00 -
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Would be good if it were true. It was a fairly nice party trick the carrier had, delegating fighters, but WOW does it get boring sitting at a POS watching your fighters go Idle/Following/Idle/Following/Idle/Following. --------------------------------------------------------------------
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.12 08:49:00 -
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They should make it so that you can delegate additional fighters on top of your own maximum, to gang members. That'd make them alot more useful
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Valandril
Caldari Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2007.06.12 08:51:00 -
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Bringing carrier to battle must be worth it, but 1200dps is hardly worth it :P And about triange, another month of training for dropping ur defensive and offensive ability to heal ur support, but issue is that before u finish locking they will be dead :P
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kill0rbunny
Alpha-Hirogen
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Posted - 2007.06.12 09:17:00 -
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1800 DPS in Capital vs. Capital Fight is worth it.
Plus i think nidhoggur will raise in price as people will start using logistics as an option.
I pew therefore I am.
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.06.12 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lore Isander Finaly a stop to those poshuggers..
USE YOUR CARRIER LIKE IT SHOULD BE USED, AS FRONTLINE SUPPORT!
Would be no good devlopment imo, currently this game has the problem that tons of ppl are playing eve like three years ago and dont have build up a decent capital fleet over the last two years, ppl kept with the idea that having a few bs will keep them save. So when you force ppl to bring their carriers to the fronlien, there is no more point to bring anything else but carriers, cause imange, a gang of 20 mixed carriers, vs 50 men "normal" gang.
First of all a few carrier, hit the triage mode, afaik there is no visiual sign of that, so if someone gets hit by 50 ppl 5 ppl boost him up that he can sit there all day long, the 5 ceptors of the carriers, simply tackle the other gang and there you go.
CCP would do great to make capitals less important, cause its quiet obvoious that a lot of ppl cant afford those or are too lazy to care about as they can hid under the wing of their masters.
Those cap fights are uber boring, as it is not much mvoing or happening or anything like that just eve pvp without all the great things like movments, re loaction and everything alse standing still doenst make possible
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Valandril
Caldari Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2007.06.12 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: kill0rbunny 1800 DPS in Capital vs. Capital Fight is worth it.
Plus i think nidhoggur will raise in price as people will start using logistics as an option.
What devhax ur using on ur carrier to get 1800 dps ? Or ur in lvl5 thanatos with lvl5 fighters with 5 dcu ? :P ---
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hilaw
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Posted - 2007.06.12 12:29:00 -
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Its one of the ideas for forcing them to become front line ships / glorified jump haulers depending on their pilots view on risking his 1.5bill ship.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.12 13:14:00 -
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Random question; If delegating only works within the grid youre in and your carrier is thus placed on the frontline then whats the point in delegating? Youre already there yourself and the entire point behind delegating is allowing your fighters to be somewhere where you are not.
If they do change this they should allow carriers to either delegate fighters in triage mode without using drones themselves or allow carriers to delegate fighters and launch fighters for themselves. -----
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Rigsta
Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.06.12 13:58:00 -
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Assigning fighters to small ships has advantages even if you're in the same grid. For example, fast lock time and and reduced travel time for the fighters. That's why we often see inties with fighters assigned to them.
Originally by: Jim McGregor I felt the disturbance... it was like a million voices suddenly stopped whining for a second. Unfortunantly it then continued.
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Scaramunga Scaramai
Amarr Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.12 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Rigsta Assigning fighters to small ships has advantages even if you're in the same grid. For example, fast lock time and and reduced travel time for the fighters. That's why we often see inties with fighters assigned to them.
I can vouch for this being utterly devastating in small encounters. Had my geddon removed from under me in a matter of seconds when 2 cepters had the fighters they were controlling on me. Needless to say we lost the fight :)
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Scaramunga Scaramai
Amarr Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.12 14:07:00 -
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Edited by: Scaramunga Scaramai on 12/06/2007 14:06:50
Originally by: Valandril Bringing carrier to battle must be worth it, but 1200dps is hardly worth it :P And about triange, another month of training for dropping ur defensive and offensive ability to heal ur support, but issue is that before u finish locking they will be dead :P
Triage mode INCREASES your defense by upping your personal and targetted reps by 100% and lowering the time it takes to rep while REMOVING your offence by removing your ability to use drones. It also makes you practically immune - if not totally immune to EW while increasing your ability to target freindlies by greatly reducing the locking time for remote assistance. it definatly doesn't drop your defense.
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Inais Vartus
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Posted - 2007.06.12 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Random question; If delegating only works within the grid youre in and your carrier is thus placed on the frontline then whats the point in delegating? Youre already there yourself and the entire point behind delegating is allowing your fighters to be somewhere where you are not.
I was thinking the same thing when I read the OP statement. I think that the carrier is really becoming more of a glorified hauler as someone here already stated. If I wanted a similar experience I would have gone for a freighter and just haul away. I would like to be on the frontline (sans lag) but this doesn't seem to help anyone.
Why is CCP taking so much time to deal with people who are aparently rich enough to afford carrier/MS class and not more interested in dealing with game mechanics? I mean ok fine you want me to be out there controlling my fighters but I have a horrible UI to manage them with and they don't respond or come home when you need them too. How about CCP work on that for once instead of throwing out the occasional "Hmmm..I think this ship needs this ability taken away..."?
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DarkElf
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.12 15:21:00 -
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not heard anything myself apart from rumours about the assigning fighters thing. would be surprised if they removed it completely
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Interval
The Triad Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.12 15:22:00 -
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I just bought a Thanatos last week. I basically dropped every single isk that I had saved into it.
I'm so glad these changes are happening. Now I don't have a reason to ever bring it into a fight. My main will be well supplied with small ships though and it saves me a bunch of isk since I don't have to buy any fighters!
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.06.12 15:34:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 12/06/2007 15:36:07
Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1
Originally by: Lore Isander Finaly a stop to those poshuggers..
USE YOUR CARRIER LIKE IT SHOULD BE USED, AS FRONTLINE SUPPORT!
Would be no good devlopment imo, currently this game has the problem that tons of ppl are playing eve like three years ago and dont have build up a decent capital fleet over the last two years, ppl kept with the idea that having a few bs will keep them save. So when you force ppl to bring their carriers to the fronlien, there is no more point to bring anything else but carriers, cause imange, a gang of 20 mixed carriers, vs 50 men "normal" gang.
First of all a few carrier, hit the triage mode, afaik there is no visiual sign of that, so if someone gets hit by 50 ppl 5 ppl boost him up that he can sit there all day long, the 5 ceptors of the carriers, simply tackle the other gang and there you go.
CCP would do great to make capitals less important, cause its quiet obvoious that a lot of ppl cant afford those or are too lazy to care about as they can hid under the wing of their masters.
Those cap fights are uber boring, as it is not much mvoing or happening or anything like that just eve pvp without all the great things like movments, re loaction and everything alse standing still doenst make possible
you compare 20 carriers to 50 bs? Any idea of the ammount of SP a carrier requires...I would me more like 5 carriers + 20 bs vs 60 bs...In that case, try to have 1 celestis (8 mil T2 fitted) to damp the 1.6 bil carrier.
If 20 bs fire @ another bs, it will die instantly. I would be like: Help taking da..im dead. carrier: locking y.. oh...
5 ceptors tackling? lol, they will be dead within seconds if the enemy could be arsed to have lightdrones, nos in the extra high or a harpy.
Btw killing normal ships for ages, gets sometimes boring. But when the enemy decides to cyno in there pride and joy, which you are capable of totaly owning using your brains and expirience, it gets fun. Stop being a victim. _________________________________________________ Breetime
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xenodia
Gallente Shadowrun Company
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Posted - 2007.06.12 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Inais Vartus
Why is CCP taking so much time to deal with people who are aparently rich enough to afford carrier/MS class and not more interested in dealing with game mechanics? I mean ok fine you want me to be out there controlling my fighters but I have a horrible UI to manage them with and they don't respond or come home when you need them too. How about CCP work on that for once instead of throwing out the occasional "Hmmm..I think this ship needs this ability taken away..."?
Fighters correctly mwd back to carrier in Rev 2 as well, so at least they got that right. That alone makes carriers more viable on the front lines.
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Vmir Gallahasen
Gallente Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.06.12 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: kill0rbunny 1800 DPS in Capital vs. Capital Fight is worth it.
A thanatos with L5 carrier, L5 fighters, and 5 drone control units will put out 1875 DPS. No sane carrier pilot would take that to the front lines, you'd just end up getting owned.
Another carrier (I'll choose one at random, Archon) with more moderate skills (L4 carrier, L4 fighters, 3 DCU) will put out 1080 DPS. You can easily reach or pass that in a regular bs; it always surprises me when somebody brings a carrier "for dealing damage". Nobody brings a carrier on the front lines for "dealing damage", you're there to remote rep.
Originally by: kill0rbunny Plus i think nidhoggur will raise in price as people will start using logistics as an option.
Logistics is already an option, and a damn good one.
Originally by: madaluap If 20 bs fire @ another bs, it will die instantly. I would be like: Help taking da..im dead. carrier: locking y.. oh...
Depends on a lot of factors, though. If your fleet is set up with remote repping in mind, you could permatank 20 bs with 4 carriers remote repping you (one remote rep each, triage) or significantly increase the life span of said bs with fewer carriers.
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Donathan Slade
Kay Korporation Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.06.13 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Valandril
Originally by: kill0rbunny 1800 DPS in Capital vs. Capital Fight is worth it.
Plus i think nidhoggur will raise in price as people will start using logistics as an option.
What devhax ur using on ur carrier to get 1800 dps ? Or ur in lvl5 thanatos with lvl5 fighters with 5 dcu ? :P
LOL, he said capital... not carrier. :P So, think more like dread or mothership, but thats also 1800 dps PRE-resists if my calcs are right (with Thanatox max skills)
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twit brent
Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.13 14:10:00 -
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Its not completely risk free. I think I have lost arround 30 fihters all up (600 mill isk). I think arround 6 were from getting shot down and arround 24 from crashing (12 of those after the FIX). Unfortunately CCP dont replace fighters unless they can prove it in their logs. Problem is CCP's logs dont record fighters .
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