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godders89
Warp Riders Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.12 20:46:00 -
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on a 1 vs 1 frig basis, no t2 modules allowed if the warp they lose what would b the best frig and setup for this.
i was thinking a griffin with 4 ecm's and missiles.
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.12 21:10:00 -
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kestrel with mwd, extender and light missiles
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Marquis Dean
Demise and Vestige 9th Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.12 21:12:00 -
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I'd say tank punisher, or dps Rifter.
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Originally by: Wild Rho I'm having a hard time getting over the irony of spelling "dumb" wrong.
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Drazin DawnTreader
The Elear
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Posted - 2007.06.12 21:14:00 -
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I -think- an all out Passive tanked Rifter with oversized extender can tank the DPS of a kestral. Pretty sure. The griffin certainly couldn't break the Rifter's tank, but would eventually lose if it misses a couple jams on the rifter.
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Shardrael
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.06.12 21:15:00 -
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yeah a passive shield tanked rifter can tank more dps then any t1 frig can put out(by t1 frig I mean including t1 guns)
so fly it and win,
Originally by: Stamm Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.
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Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.12 21:21:00 -
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autocannon punisher with 400mm plates
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godders89
Warp Riders Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.12 21:31:00 -
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ok so passive tank rifter but wat setup then?
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Marquis Dean
Demise and Vestige 9th Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.12 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: godders89 ok so passive tank rifter but wat setup then?
Um, i'd probably be:
3 x 150/200mm ACs 1 x Rocket Launcher/Nos
1 x Ab 1 x MSE 1 x Web
2 x Gyro 1 x something else, maybe PDU or RCU if it would help you fit bigger ACs.
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Originally by: Wild Rho I'm having a hard time getting over the irony of spelling "dumb" wrong.
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Byzan Zwyth
Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.12 21:36:00 -
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do you need to fit a scram? ---------------------- Rank: Tech 1 and a 1/2 cannon fodder
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Marquis Dean
Demise and Vestige 9th Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.12 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Byzan Zwyth do you need to fit a scram?
If they can't warp out, I don't see why they would.
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Originally by: Wild Rho I'm having a hard time getting over the irony of spelling "dumb" wrong.
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Drazin DawnTreader
The Elear
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Posted - 2007.06.12 21:56:00 -
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You could try:
3x 150mm Scouts W/Fusion S 1x Arbalest Rocket Launcher w/ Foxfire
1x Cold-gas Arcjet Thruster 1x Medium Regolith Extender 1x Viscoelastic EM Amplifier
3x Shield Power Relay
Gives you over 1000m/s Speed, 55 DPS vs standard resists, over 1600 shield HP w/ 18hp/sec regen and youplug that gaping EM resist hole.
Your caps regen is only 2 per sec, but only need like .06 to run the AB non-stop. A small NoS would eventually drain your cap out in about 30 minutes. If Webbed, you can still hit out to 5km in falloff reliably.
It will tank any other T1 frigates firepower forever though, and eventually you will break their tank unless they come at you with the same setup.
I'm sure someone can come up with better though.
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Lux Exterior
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Posted - 2007.06.12 23:00:00 -
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Tristan:
2 x Small nos 2 x modal light neutron
1 x coldgas arcjet 2 x web
1 x aux power core 1 x small repper 1 x damage control
1 x hobgoblin
suck 'em dry, then smash 'em up.
Punisher has a wicked tank though, and you can fit 3 x light lons with one nos and still get a basic magstab on.
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Cpt Branko
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Posted - 2007.06.13 11:24:00 -
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I'd go with a Rifter:
Highs: 3x 150mm "scout" or prototype I, whatever you can find. Preferably scouts, though, loaded up with EMP/Fusion, depending on who you're facing.
1x best rocket launcher you can find (arby is prohibitively expensive, but OE-something can be found for 30-40K easy)
Mids: 1 x warp scrambler [it's dumb if you don't have to use one, but oh well. if you don't have to fit it, put a med shield extender in] 1x cold-gas AB / any MWD [preferably MWD, really] 1x Web (will be handy if someone tried to MWD to you/away/blah)
Lows: I'd probably be silly and go for: 2xgyro, 1xDCU but a lot of things will do [passive tanking modules, classic armour tank, speed modules]
Basically, if you *can* get close enough to web them, they'll die. A missile ship with MWD will just kite you and you'll die, though, if you don't have a MWD of your own. No MWD = you cannot win over a long-range ship with MWD, as you'll never catch them, and at best, it'll be a tie, at worst, you'll die.
The damage with good small projectile skills from a Rifter with two gyros is absurd, and will shred any frig within about ten or so seconds, maybe 20 if it has lots of plate/tank/whatever, and nothing, not even passive setups, can tank you.
I don't get the point of a contest without having to warp scramble your opponent, people can use silly unrealistic setups if no tackling is needed, though.
If you go for named MWD, it pushes the price quite high, with catalyzed cold-gas going around 2 mil, but speed is essential to prevent being kited.
A Griffin with 4 ecm is a gamble - if your ECM fails a cycle, you die a horrible death. With some luck, you'll kill a lot.
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.06.13 12:27:00 -
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incursus isnt bad
3* ion
1* 1mn mwd 1* web 1* scrambler or in 1 vs 1 another web
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Dikat
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Posted - 2007.06.13 12:39:00 -
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Edited by: Dikat on 13/06/2007 12:42:25 I used the imicus with it's 15m3 drone bay it was disgustingly powerful (with decent drone skills). I went through 7 ships without anyone hitting armor (and I wasn't shield tanked) before a punisher with a webber popped them 1 by 1 until I was weaponless. My drones are literally 100% more powerful now that I've skilled up but be warned, if your opponent has a webber you're hosed.
The kestrel is a powerful ship especially with FoF missiles. That negates drones and ewar.
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Jitagirl
Jita Trade Services
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Posted - 2007.06.13 18:54:00 -
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Condor can get silly ranges with frigate 5. Needs a mwd to keep range and a sensor booster to actually lock on.
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PartyVaN
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.13 19:05:00 -
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Couldn't a griffin with racial jammers and perfect jamming skills get a guaranteed jam on a t1 frig with 1-2 jammers? Cap sustainability and actually having the dps to kill stuff could be a problem, but i suppose you wouldn't 'lose' the fight....
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Thurisaz Prizma
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Posted - 2007.06.13 19:27:00 -
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Punisher:
High: 3 Small gatling lasers 1 Small NOS
MED: 1mn MWD CAP booster (2x 150)
LOW: 2 Small reps 2 EANM
Tanks like a maniac, and would most likely win against anything in the long run. With the NOS and Cap booster running you could tank until you're out of 150's.
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Original Saint
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Posted - 2007.06.13 21:45:00 -
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this has already been answered in the million frig tourneys.Punisher wins 75% of them, so theres your answer....
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