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Marcus Davion
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Posted - 2007.06.14 21:55:00 -
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Amarr - Anathema
Power Grid: 20 Low: 3 Med: 4 High: 3 (1 launcher, 2 turret) CPU 280
Gallante - Helios
Grid: 20 Low: 3 Med: 5 High: 2 (2 turret) CPU: 290
Caldari - Buzzard
Grid: 15 Low: 2 Med: 5 High: 3 (2 Launcher, 1 turret) CPU: 300
Minmatar - Cheetah
Grid: 15 Low: 3 Med: 4 High: 3 (1 Launcher, 2 turret) CPU: 275
So there you have it, all Covert Ops have 3 high slots except for the Helios. This makes scanning a issue because you can only mount Probe Launcher and cloak. Every other race can mount at least 1 weapon for basic defense while scanning. Is there something special about the Helios I'm missing that it does better then other or is specialized for?
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ForeverKnight
Caldari World Order The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.06.14 21:57:00 -
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Edited by: ForeverKnight on 14/06/2007 21:56:29 wtf are you going to defend against? even a n00b ship will be able to gank you, with or without a weapon. Non-issue.
EDIT: you're missing the 5m3 drone bay.
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Tyd Drakken
CyberDyne Industries Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.06.14 22:00:00 -
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its cause we get 1 single drone! zomg were OP!
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Lore Isander
Caldari Sybrite Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.14 22:00:00 -
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I hardly call this an issue -_-' ---
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PartyVaN
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.14 22:01:00 -
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personally, I refuse to train for any covops until they replace the stupid offensive boni on most with better cov-ops like boni. Guns are pretty irrelevant on covops unless you're shooting afk pods, in which case this lack of a high slot would be a problem.
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2007.06.14 22:05:00 -
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DRONE OF DOOM!!! -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level." |
Adacia Calla
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Posted - 2007.06.14 22:09:00 -
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Helios gets another mid/low compared to everything else, and an excellent balance of PG + CPU. AND a T2 hobgoblin can do some serious damage to a frig :D
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Lance Hawke
Beyond Divinity Inc Blind Beavers
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Posted - 2007.06.14 22:14:00 -
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if this is a serious thread, i lol'd
if this isn't a serious thread, i lol'd
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OBI WAN
Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.06.14 22:26:00 -
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It would be nice if the Helios could fit a salvager as well, for those pesky salvage exploration sites.
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.14 22:28:00 -
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Yeah its simply not fair. After covops cloak and probe launcher i can't fit a 75mm rail of doom.
Originally by: Benglada And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
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CollTerminator
Amarr Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.14 22:30:00 -
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LOLLLZ!
zomg sadness for tech3 grieving
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Morrigu Storm
Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2007.06.14 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: PartyVaN personally, I refuse to train for any covops until they replace the stupid offensive boni on most with better cov-ops like boni. Guns are pretty irrelevant on covops unless you're shooting afk pods, in which case this lack of a high slot would be a problem.
It isnt a problem really I have podded a few pods that have logged off with 1 small T2 drone. Not only will they have the shame of logging in combat and it being proved they also have the embarassment of being pod killed by a drone!
I even killed (very slowly) an AFK safespotted indi with a warrior 2. By the time he realised what was happening he was well into armour and couldn't do jack about it.
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.06.14 22:38:00 -
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Most people dont get it, but this is the reason why my alt is training for minmatar covert op
Let me just show a highslot layout to make things more clear:
1* recon probe launcher 1* cyno field generator 1* covert op cloaking device 2
Anyone gets it now? _________________________________________________ Breetime
A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
Nanus Parkite
Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.06.14 22:52:00 -
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Yea but you're crazy.
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Santa Anna
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Posted - 2007.06.14 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap Most people dont get it, but this is the reason why my alt is training for minmatar covert op
Let me just show a highslot layout to make things more clear:
1* recon probe launcher 1* cyno field generator 1* covert op cloaking device 2
Anyone gets it now?
That's not really the covops frig's ("intended") role. This may be a bigger deal once cloaked capital ships are probe-able, though. |
madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.06.14 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Santa Anna
Originally by: madaluap Most people dont get it, but this is the reason why my alt is training for minmatar covert op
Let me just show a highslot layout to make things more clear:
1* recon probe launcher 1* cyno field generator 1* covert op cloaking device 2
Anyone gets it now?
That's not really the covops frig's ("intended") role. This may be a bigger deal once cloaked capital ships are probe-able, though.
Yeh and it takes time before the alt can fly a recon, in the meantime it really is handy to have a cyno on it. _________________________________________________ Breetime
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Litus Arowar
Amarr Obsidian Asylum Pure.
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Posted - 2007.06.15 03:24:00 -
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must be a joke thread...
on a covops, other than MAYBE sticking a cyno generator on there as mentioned, or a salvager, you don't need more high slots...
in fact, I'll go so far as to say that helios has the best slot layout... That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter. It is a combat drone used by carriers. |
Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: Aramendel on 15/06/2007 11:20:31
Originally by: Marcus Davion Every other race can mount at least 1 weapon for basic defense while scanning. Is there something special about the Helios I'm missing that it does better then other or is specialized for?
Maybe, just maybe because it can fit one hob2 (and gets a 50% bonus on it's dps as well)?
With maxxed drone skills and the spec at 4 it does 29 dps with it, which is pretty much the same as the other cov ops can get with a weapon (the cheetah can deal 31 dps with an 125mm, but only at a range of 1k. An anathema can deal the same dps with a medium pulse, exept that it needs 11 grid to fit it).
If anything the helios is slightly overpowered because it has 20 grid - the same as the amarr cov ops, minnie and cal have 15 grid. Since it does not need to mount a weapon it having 15 grid would be much more realistic.
(The is of cource if using a weapon wouldn't be utterly stupid anyways unless for popping unpiloted ships you probed. But there is no real logical explanation why it should have 20 grid either if you compare it vs the other cov ops.)
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Marcus Davion
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Posted - 2007.06.18 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Adacia Calla Helios gets another mid/low compared to everything else, and an excellent balance of PG + CPU. AND a T2 hobgoblin can do some serious damage to a frig :D
Thank you, your answer makes sense. Guess I will have to start training those drone skills.
For the Trolls: KISS MY
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errorist
Caldari Free Mercenaries Union FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.18 19:32:00 -
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Was going to post a serius answer... untill i looked at it and realised its all a load of xxxx all the cov ops are inline with each other ! If Somethings hard doing its not worth doing, But get going anyway :twisted: |
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Hass Fresson
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:06:00 -
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the polite way to say it is differently abled
Hass
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Sanctuary
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:20:00 -
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It's not gimped, it's got a better layout for its role than any of the others, in my opinion. A 3rd hislot doesn't do any good for its primary mission, which is to not get into fights while being sneaky-sneaky. The mids are good for damps or scanners of various types. I think it's the best pure exploration frigate in the game.
If you get into a fight flying a covops, you screwed up somewhere. Well, some people fit them as tacklers, but they're kind of pricy for that.
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