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DarkElf
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Lets be clear.Ginger did not threaten to kill or do any harm of any kind to Miz Cenuij or anyone else. Just because Ginger has killed u time and again and u would prefer to see him out of game for good does not make his banning justified.I'm sure that CCP will reach the right decision in this matter and see that his ban is not permanent.Octobersnow has already been contacted by an Eve-TV representative to do a story on Ginger. His fame and name in the game are legendary and to ban him for a one line phrase in local is not fair and doesnt make any sense.
Let's also be clear that you have never killed me. My gang nearly killed your mega once but alas we had only a feeble 4 points of scram between the 2 of us so clearly there was no kill.
If you would like to inform us what u did say then please go ahead but many seem to be under the impression that you did.
This is not a personal attack on you as i actually like talking to you when i have but seriously whatever you did to get a perma ban must have been pretty bad.
DE
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Dark Flare
Caldari Corpus PCG The State
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:28:00 -
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Oh, I see! Miz is the victim in this!
No.
Bit rich of you of ALL people to petition someone for what they said in local. If Ginger wanted to get you banned, he could've petitioned so much from what you've said in the past that it'd take days to read.
Not only that, but you did it whilst sat cowering in a station? Come off it. If you'd been out there fighting, beaten his Moros, and THEN he threatened and you petitioned? Fair enough. But the way you did it, it was cowardly, and it was for nothing more than your own personal enjoyment. You KNOW that GM is a hot-head. We all know it. He makes threats, he doesn't mean them. No-one is daft enough to actually get that annoyed to go and find the man behind some daft avatar and beat him up.
You knew full well that he didn't mean it, and yet you still petitioned him. For your own amusement, gain, narcissism, whatever. It doesn't really matter in the end.
I see a wrongful injustice here. The scam? Fair play to you, well executed. Petitioning for stuff said in local? Pot. Kettle. Black.
Someone start a petition to get GM back. I don't even like the guy, but some things are just too far. And a perma-ban for this is one of them. Dark Flare - Corpus PCG |
Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Miz Cenuij BTW Crom'ar Lev is Gingers alt and a simple IP check would confirm this. You might also be interested to see that he logs onto other corp members accounts as and when he pleases, taking from them what he needs.
Can you please petition with this proof? I petitioned him for account sharing when I noticed some obvious logon/off coincidences similar to those noticed between Ginger and Cromar (who has been proven to be his alt). I think the petition was ignored...
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Laxon
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:31:00 -
[184]
lol
Shame to see ginger go but I guess there will be some other account losing cap ships left, right and center soon enough. Even the people who hate him have to admit he adds a little something to the eve universe... mainly pimped out killboards for merc corps.
Also to the guy who was saying Miz should be held accountable, you have to have the most backwards world view I have ever seen (and I once lived in Wales FFS).
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Dionisius
Gallente Fallen Lords
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:35:00 -
[185]
Originally by: DarkElf
Originally by: Dionisius
Originally by: Traxio Nacho Dionisius your arguement holds no water for a start ginger smacks like no one ever has before when he kills someone or when he himself gets killed, so if I turned round and said I was going to hunt him down in real life after he had smacked me you're saying he should be banned as well?
Miz is not accountable for Gingers actions, however if that was all ginger put in local I would think ginger possibly already has warnings against him or its another over the top GM giving out perma ban instead of temp ban.
Why is Miz not acountable if he is aware on how Ginger would react to the situation?
Despite the fact that Ginger is a smacktard of the worst category it is obvious that this was used to generate the described situation and looking at Miz and klepto corps resume it indicates that further problems will happen again.
Its bs and rather sad if people try to excuse one wrong doing with another.
I find your post incredible tbh. You're seriously saying that RL threats should be allowed in eve if the person was provoked by something in a computer game? Can you imagine the legal implications this could have on ccp? my opinion aside here for a moment but no game support team can be seen to be allowing RL threats in their game or they would suffer legal reprocussions.
And in other case imo i think that's just plain dumb. If someone is so easily angered to do something like that from a game then i think he needs to take a long hard look at his life.
DE
Is there any stupidity virus floating around the air and has infected a percentage of the population or something?
For the hundred time, I AM NOT SAYING THAT RL THREATS ARE JUSTIFIED IN A GAME FFS! BUT THE ENDS DO NOT JUSTIFY THE MEENS EMPLOYED HERE! GINGER WAS AS SHARP AS A BRICK, BUT!, MIZ HAS ITS FAULTS IN THE MATTER! UNDERSTOOD!?
And for the person that is saying that provoking actions isn't serious enough to hold people acountable for them, i'm sorry to say but in the real world it is enough, worst if proved on the spot, yet even worst in this case. Any sensible person with 2 bits of mind can understand that this was a situation that got out of hand, provoked by Miz.
Miz plays the game the way he wants it, no arguements there and nothing personal, but, what happened in that local chat, taunting ginger and so on, led to the situation, that is why i say i would ban them BOTH! Not just MIZ and not just GINGER but BOTH!, and on diferent levels, Miz would get a temporary ban to serve as a warning not only to him but to others.
You see, most people like you and others that think on that line dismiss this as being only a game, correct, but forget that THERE IS ACTUAL REAL PEOPLE BEHIND THE CHARS!, and some get frustraded and angry, or happy and have their sense of fulfilling experienced on diferent levels.
Why does this matter, it matters in a game were you spend more than 1 hour or so playing and aquiring ISK or Items for achieving in game goals. The loss of a given item/ISK can generate diferente feelings in diferent persons, i mostly get a tad anoyed then its back to the begining, you might get angry or dismiss it, and again back to the begining, others might get a bit angrier or whatever.
The point in here is that like in real life no one likes to be scamed, played as a jackass and worst humiliated in front of a crowd, and that leads us to Miz and Gingers situation. Miz "knew" Ginger, and knew how he would respond to this action, he added insult to injury after, reaping off 8Bil and poding ginger, then he proceeds to taunt Ginger in front of an audience ( locals of whatever system they were in ).
Any normal person push to the edge will respond in a similar faction than ginger, only problem here is that the people that provoked this weren't held acountable for their actions and worst they gloat and have a crowd of monkeys aplauding a very sad situation.
Comprende now? _______________________
What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
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Presidente Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 15/06/2007 12:34:32
Originally by: Voodoo'sMother Edited by: Voodoo''sMother on 15/06/2007 12:06:00 Ginger should give up and play another game. The OP was designed to put pressure on CCP to unban for making what he believes is the wrong decision, ie to ban ginger. My view on this is that if he really did make a RL threat he should be banned premanately along with all his ALTs, including Crom - who should stop pretending to be someone other than ginger. He has already been banned and unbanned and obviously knows how to manipulate CCP. Why should anyone get away with this just because he was high on the "ego-meter". Scamming is not something that I agree with nor is RL threats but I think this is funny that such a smacktalking greeedy CEO got what he deserved so well done Miz-buy something nice. In short, CCP don't be silly and unban a sly manipulative child who has acted stupidly for a long time. Ban his ALT's and be done with him. Im pretty sure im not the only one who wants to see him punished in the same way others would be who are not epeen warriors.
Well, the more I think about it ... I agree 100%. This guy seems to be totally addicted and messed up by too much EVE. Even to think to kill someone in RL is crap. Time for break for him and some therapy. +++ JOIN PAP +++ |
lord 2evil
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:37:00 -
[187]
Well i see u got your mothership good for u ginger . know u rule eve,LOL |
Jarrell
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:37:00 -
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"Robbed, Podded, betrayed, and perma banned."
Is that frakin' right! I think people need to put their unbridled jealousy of Ginger aside and instead look at the facts of this particular case. Everyone knows that the Kleptos have a serious axe to grind with him. Mercy needs to be practicied here for an individual who has put four years of hardwork into the building of a character. Is it right to revel in his situation simply because so many of us have lost ships to him? Losing ships is part of the game. Ginger never scammed anyone as far as I know. Miz is the biggest scammer in the entire game. Should that be a part of gaming dynamics? There needs to be some fairplay here shown by CCP. If anyone should be punished, it should be the dishonorable scammers that make Eve more like the Eastend than anything else!
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente Revelation Space
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:38:00 -
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hmmm after reading the first post, why oh why would you give someone 8bil ISK pre-empting it with thoughts of you don't trust them and you half expect the scam?
Why would you do it after all you corp has gone "afk" or to "the pub" leaving you in a position of being unable to do nothing about it?
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Jarrell
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:43:00 -
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Mate, sometimes we believe in things that are too good to be true.
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tiller
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 15/06/2007 12:43:34
Originally by: Dark Flare
Bit rich of you of ALL people to petition someone for what they said in local.
AFAIK the lead GM was in local watching events unfold.... he was there sorting out ginger for adding roles back to stop miz leaving corp.
There was no petition for the RL threat, ginger simply made them in local for everyone to see.
Kleptomaniacs are recruiting evildoers. Channel KLEPTO for info. |
Zell
Caldari The Black Raptors
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:45:00 -
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All I can say is, @ Gingey, the day he is perama banned is the day EVE is elevated to new heights of greatness.
Oh wait, thats today!
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nub
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Jarrell
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:46:00 -
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So many of the anti-Ginger posts just disgust the hell out of me. A lot of you people make me sick to my stomach.
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Cadela Fria
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Flare Oh, I see! Miz is the victim in this!
No.
Bit rich of you of ALL people to petition someone for what they said in local. If Ginger wanted to get you banned, he could've petitioned so much from what you've said in the past that it'd take days to read.
Not only that, but you did it whilst sat cowering in a station? Come off it. If you'd been out there fighting, beaten his Moros, and THEN he threatened and you petitioned? Fair enough. But the way you did it, it was cowardly, and it was for nothing more than your own personal enjoyment. You KNOW that GM is a hot-head. We all know it. He makes threats, he doesn't mean them. No-one is daft enough to actually get that annoyed to go and find the man behind some daft avatar and beat him up.
You knew full well that he didn't mean it, and yet you still petitioned him. For your own amusement, gain, narcissism, whatever. It doesn't really matter in the end.
I see a wrongful injustice here. The scam? Fair play to you, well executed. Petitioning for stuff said in local? Pot. Kettle. Black.
Someone start a petition to get GM back. I don't even like the guy, but some things are just too far. And a perma-ban for this is one of them.
I had no idea that you this many alts GM.
You talk about "cowardice" and "knowing he was hotheaded" and petioning for his own gain and not only that, but for narcissism - Please tell me, do you even know what narcissism means? The last thing I'd petition a RL threat for, is narcissism.
The guy has a problem with language and openly threatens people left and right. Just because you don't mean the things you don't say, doesn't make you innocent or excuse you from the rules. You are NOT special, and you never will be. Either learn to control your language and hot temper, or suffer the concequences. Guess which one happened to GM. That one has a hot temper, is who's problem?......THATS RIGHT! ITS THEIR OWN FAULT! So saying "oh well I didn't mean it durrrrh", doesn't fly - You shouldn't have said it in the first place dingbat!
You say no one is daft enough to go and hurt someone over a game? CLEARLY you haven't been keeping yourself up to date on the news. People have done this crap quite a few times by now.
There is also, nothing cowardly about petitioning a guy for making RL threats of any kind, or using abusive language. It's simply against the rules, and if you can't understand that, then you end up banned...yeah, thats right. It's THAT simple - What part of it don't you understand? There is no excuse, not retort, no argument or any such a thing to make it change. Rules, are rules - Please say this to yourself repeatedly for the next 2 hours and maybe you'll start getting it.
Ginger Magician is perma-banned, and good riddance - He contributed absolutely nothing useful to the forum, and only served as a loudmouth ingame.
Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
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Templer Relleg
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Lets be clear.Ginger did not threaten to kill or do any harm of any kind to Miz Cenuij or anyone else. Just because Ginger has killed u time and again and u would prefer to see him out of game for good does not make his banning justified.I'm sure that CCP will reach the right decision in this matter and see that his ban is not permanent.Octobersnow has already been contacted by an Eve-TV representative to do a story on Ginger. His fame and name in the game are legendary and to ban him for a one line phrase in local is not fair and doesnt make any sense.
Such a shame that your writing style gives you away Ginger.
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tiller
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:49:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 15/06/2007 12:49:13
Originally by: Jarrell So many of the anti-Ginger posts just disgust the hell out of me. A lot of you people make me sick to my stomach.
, you should see the anti tiller eve mails he sends me
I campaigned to save ginger once from ban, there be no get out of jail free card this time (well I certainly aint gonna help him get one)
Kleptomaniacs are recruiting evildoers. Channel KLEPTO for info. |
Jarrell
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:50:00 -
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"Robbed, Podded, betrayed, and perma banned."
May Miz do the same to you Tiller. Just remember that you have a wolf by the ears; I hope you don't forget to let go.
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Faekurias
Caldari Federation Fleet Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:51:00 -
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Feels like a permaban is harsh, but I'm glad it is. Though I have a bad feeling local chats will turn much more boring with strange randomness comming more seldom and people banning / petitioning eachother left to right. Even outside locals , and if so the case this game will be more boring and "restricted" .
I for one couldn't live without getting a flame/hatemail after pwning someone :(
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Dark Flare
Caldari Corpus PCG The State
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Cadela Fria
I had no idea that you this many alts GM.
It's rather shortsighted to think that anyone who sticks up for GM is his alt.
I did state that I don't actually like him. I've tried to kill his Moros before.
Heck, I may as well call you a Miz Cenuji alt. Dark Flare - Corpus PCG |
Jarrell
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Posted - 2007.06.15 13:01:00 -
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I'd appreciate you not editing my words, Tiller, to prop up your venom.
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Cadela Fria
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.06.15 13:04:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Dark Flare
Originally by: Cadela Fria
I had no idea that you this many alts GM.
It's rather shortsighted to think that anyone who sticks up for GM is his alt.
I did state that I don't actually like him. I've tried to kill his Moros before.
Heck, I may as well call you a Miz Cenuji alt.
Fair enough, i'll go as far as admitting I may have been wrong about that. However the rest of my post still goes. Rules are Rules, no matter what - There are no excuses.
Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
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Nikita Fontaine
Caldari g guild
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Posted - 2007.06.15 13:08:00 -
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Ginger Magician is most notoriously known for his use of the Petition Button, i find it most ironic his final demise was by this means.
To adapt a quote 'Live by the petition die by the petition' ----------------------------------------------- Great minds think alike but fools seldom differ
Directors are like buttons they hold things together.
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Zydora
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Posted - 2007.06.15 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Lets be clear.Ginger did not threaten to kill or do any harm of any kind to Miz Cenuij or anyone else.
However you did say that he (You, whatever) said that you would find him IRL yes? So, regardless of whether GM would carry that threat out; what in your opinion would be the logically conclusion to finding someone IRL?
You can try to defend the wording and lack of details all you like, you've damned yourself simply by admitting to those words in the first place. We're not all idiots here who take ridiculous excuses for what was and wasn't meant at face value, and especially not all morons who will bow down to what you say simply because you are Ginger Magician.
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His fame and name in the game are legendary and to ban him for a one line phrase in local is not fair and doesnt make any sense.
Mostly for all the wrong reasons, but thanks for writing in.
And lets make one thing quite clear, no, you've never heard of me, who the hell am I? Doesn't matter. I don't know you except for forum spouting, so really you don't mean a great deal to me either.
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BaDkaRmA158Th
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Posted - 2007.06.15 13:10:00 -
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Well, this is my first post.
*Sighs* good bye little one, hope life treats you and your kind this way forever.
Keep on kickin' to be kicked.
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DarkElf
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.15 13:15:00 -
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Dionisius are you seriously saying that Miz should be banned for taunting someone? aside from your insults in that drivvle of a post is that really what you're saying?
DE
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DEM0H
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Posted - 2007.06.15 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Thann Starlinbow This thread delivers!!!!111!1 AAA++++++++! WOULD DEF. DO BUSINESS WITH AGAIN!!!11!1oneone!1elevensies.
On a more serious side note, this is quite hilarious. Ginger has the most over-inflated ego I have EVER met and I knew it would catch up to him one day.
WTS: All Ginger figurines marked up 500%.
/me Starts breathing into a paper bag.
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ian666
Minmatar Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.15 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 15/06/2007 00:50:01 Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 14/06/2007 23:47:38 Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 14/06/2007 23:38:15 Well where to begin... We started the day enjoying a camp with our mothership pilot Miz Cenuij in Otou and all was well in the world.A few kills a few bits of loot.After another few camps and the usual Snowy pawnage it came to around 6pm and most guys had gone afk for the pub or food or whatever.My dear corpmate Miz says to Ginger that now is the time to transfer the Nyx after agreeing a price of 26bill ealier in the week.
Now Miz is an extremely well known scammer and during his 3 months or so in the corp he was involved in at least 3 fake mothership sales netting him around 25-30bill.He claimed that he was tired of the Nyx and willing to sell it to Ginger in order to get himself a titan. After much haggling he agreed to an 8.5bill 1/3 payment where he would then eject Ginger would pay him another 11.5bill to make 20 and the rest over the next 2 weeks when funds allowed.Well this was all agreed and Miz proceeded to gang Ginger and he warped to the safe spot where the Nyx was located.8.5bill was transferred to Miz's account and then Miz proceeded to activate his 4 officer smartbombs and ofc Ginger was pod killed and Octobersnow 8.5bill out of pocket which even for us is a big loss.
Tbh we had half expected it and it was worth the risk to have the opportunity of obtaining a Nyx for Ginger. Subsequent to this Ginger proceeded to hunt Miz with his Moros and other corp members cynoing in to 2 different systems whereupon miz would immediately cyno out.Eventually he was tracked to sieside and actually it was found out that he had logged out on HORZA PHLEBAS his alt who he uses for all the scams on nyx sales and this character was now piloting the Nyx with Miz in a curse.
Well this was unexpected and Miz was now traced to the hq station in sieside of Kleptomaniacs who at first showed no hostility to me and in convo with their ceo he denied having any affliation with Miz.Tiller u were always a bad liar. After at first holding fire on a snowy cyno alt in an npc corp small ships from Klepto proceeded to destroy the alts probe after Ginger had cynoed in outside their hq.
At this point the full scale of the conspiracy became evident and Ginger began engaging Klepto members outside the station with his moros in siege mode.During this combat Miz hid inside the station(get used to it kelpto members). One Klepto drake was destroyed and others ran off. Ofc at this point there was some smack talk in local and not surprisingly Ginger was somewhat angry first of all at his own stupidity for trusting Miz and second of all for the betrayal of Klepto and their ceo.
Miz being well aware because of his time in Snowy just what a dastardly enemy Ginger would prove to be immediately petitioned Ginger at the first wrong sentence he unfortunately uttered in the heat of battle. Ginger was just undocking for another go at the Klepto blob when the dread info box popped up concerning forced game disconnection and he knew his fate at once. Upon checking mail the worse fears were confirmed with a message of perma banning.
Here ends the story of the day for now.Eve's most famous player banned because of a little scamming coward who doesnt have a 1/10 of his pvp skills or balls.
Enjoy your time with Miz klepto members and lets just hope he treats u as well as he treated GM...
Great story, OWNED !!! ROFL
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Kinsy
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.06.15 13:32:00 -
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The real question is, if we gave Ginger a gun, would he go and shoot Miz with it, or would he be too busy shooting himself in the foot with it?
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tiller
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.06.15 13:40:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 15/06/2007 13:38:48
Originally by: Kinsy The real question is, if we gave Ginger a gun, would he go and shoot Miz with it, or would he be too busy shooting himself in the foot with it?
lmao, he'd actually break it, but his corp m8s would buy him as many new ones as he wanted.
Kleptomaniacs are recruiting evildoers. Channel KLEPTO for info. |
Dionisius
Gallente Fallen Lords
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Posted - 2007.06.15 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf Dionisius are you seriously saying that Miz should be banned for taunting someone? aside from your insults in that drivvle of a post is that really what you're saying?
DE
Let me answer this to you in the most clear way possible.
I have absolutely no respect for people that scam others or smack, and even less than nothing for people that act, write or think that they are "more" than others, the last part includes you.
See i don't care much on how cool someone appears, or the direction in wich the mob is runing, and i don't feed my ego like tiller, miz and ginger, even you, based on other peoples ass kissing.
Be that in foruns or in game, i play the way i like it and give my opinions when and wherever i want.
In this case i think that they BOTH deserve a ban, because what you fail to see is that Ginger is just a nutcase that vented off his agression by making an idle threat, the point is that others may not got it?
Baning both would show that the behaviour shown by either part is not tolerated has there is a severe lack of respect for other gamers.
So excuse me if i stand by what i think is right, if i don't kiss your ass like many, or agree with tiller and others just because its funny and gives me a cool apearance in the foruns, and happen to think more than 2 minutes ahead in the future.
Perhaps taunting isn't the right word to describe the situation but you got my point and if you have any problem with my reply then boohoo, i couldn't care less. _______________________
What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
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