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Ballistic CEO
The Ballistic Corporation
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:04:00 -
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So once upon a time there were no alliances, POSes or outposts.
These features have steadily been introduced and have allowed 0.0 to be tamed from what it was meant to be into what is essentially a player run version of empire.
Given the current feeling amongst EvE online players (BoB win EvE) have CCP by introducing these features essentially made it possible for someone to "win" Eve?
I would like to see a return to corporations only, no POSes or outposts. Introduce another way of building capital ships by all means but I think the mechanics that exist go against one of the things that is the essence of EvE:
"Skillpoints arent anything, a young player can beat an old player due to the learning system."
whilst this axiom remains true a young player can no longer lay a claim to the rich space outside empire thus severly limiting the game experience.
roll it back CCP.
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Janu Hull
Caldari Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:08:00 -
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Given the current array of powers out there, its still VERY likely that there are a number of alliance territory holders that can achieve Constellation Sovreignty, and be damned near impossible to unentrench, before the "conquest" of 0.0 is complete.
There's just no way that the Alliance can take the entirety of 0.0 in five weeks from Rev 2 launch. Even less likely if CCP credits time "served" already as a sovreign power.
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Sarah McTeef
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ballistic CEO roll it back CCP.
No.
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Kaar
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:11:00 -
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These threads are starting to get on my nerves...
The OP is generally one of the following:
Bitter because thier alliance/corp lost to a better alliance/corp
Sat in empire all day reading COAD and forming opinions about things they know nothing about
Doesn't have the skill or commitment to do something so blames the "tools"
Is a goon alt
All of the above
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ballistic CEO allowed 0.0 to be tamed from what it was meant to be into what is essentially a player run version of empire.
Have you even been to 0.0, ever?
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Ballistic CEO
The Ballistic Corporation
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:14:00 -
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Edited by: Ballistic CEO on 15/06/2007 12:13:14 brilliant, personal attack and a "no."
come back and post a decent argument when you grow a brain,
thx
I live in 0.0, 0.0 is safer than empire. Fact.
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Kaar
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:14:00 -
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Also,
Originally by: Ballistic CEO
These features have steadily been introduced and have allowed 0.0 to be tamed from what it was meant to be into what is essentially a player run version of empire.
What exactly was it meant to be?
With all the new sov features and the ones that have been in game for years now i'd say CCP's intent for 0.0 was indeed to be a "player run version of empire".
Get a clue.
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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kaar These threads are starting to get on my nerves...
The OP is generally one of the following:
Bitter because thier alliance/corp lost to a better alliance/corp
Sat in empire all day reading COAD and forming opinions about things they know nothing about
Doesn't have the skill or commitment to do something so blames the "tools"
Is a goon alt
All of the above
Seconded.
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Ballistic CEO
The Ballistic Corporation
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kaar Also,
Originally by: Ballistic CEO
These features have steadily been introduced and have allowed 0.0 to be tamed from what it was meant to be into what is essentially a player run version of empire.
What exactly was it meant to be?
i see. and COW own what area of 0.0 exactly?
With all the new sov features and the ones that have been in game for years now i'd say CCP's intent for 0.0 was indeed to be a "player run version of empire".
Get a clue.
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cal nereus
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:18:00 -
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There are a ****load of uninhabited, unused systems in 0.0. The only reason no one takes them is because they're afraid their neighbors will eat them alive if they do. Which they probably will unless you prepare ahead of time. =D
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Kaar
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ballistic CEO
Cow own which part of 0.0 again?
What a stupid comment that totaly undermined your original post.
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Ballistic CEO
The Ballistic Corporation
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kaar
Originally by: Ballistic CEO
Cow own which part of 0.0 again?
What a stupid comment that totaly undermined your original post.
I dont see that it did, i can argue against a game mechanic that exists at the minute. You told me that was how it was meant to be and since you are obviously such an expert i was wondering which part of the mighty "empire in 0.0" you actually own at the minute?
Its a simple question.
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Aypse
Convergent Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:23:00 -
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Hmmmmm....where to even start...
0.0 has been tamed? Please remember back to that distant time, long long ago, when the 'Great War' was still raging across the universe. Yeah, that was less than a month ago. Even if you ignore that universe-wide war, there are still regional wars in nearly every single area. And even if you ignore those regional wars, there are still roaming gangs, border conflicts, pirates (lowsec and 0.0)everywhere, wolfpacks, gate camps, etc. etc. etc. To say that 0.0 is tamed, is well, just incorrect.
"Bob wins Eve." The eve universe is a big place, with lots of players that fight for and against them. If I was you, I would not underestimate those that fight against them. They outnumber BOB and control more territory. Eve is very far from being "won."
"A young player can no longer lay claim to....." This is true of all players. There is no single player in all of Eve that can control a 0.0 territory by himself. Even if a titan pilot laid claim to a single system by himself, it would laughably easy to evict him from 'his' space.
If you mean that a group of young players cannot control 0.0 space.... /me looks at goons. Perhaps one of you can give him a bit of a history lesson on the successes of the Goonies. You guys don't appear to be limited by the 'new players can't exist in 0.0' theory.
Don't roll it back CCP. What you see, is players crafting their own world in the sandbox.
Originally by: Oveur
Eve is primarily a PVP game and hence our focus is on making that experience balanced.
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DarkFenix
Caldari Pilots Of Honour
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ballistic CEO So once upon a time there were no alliances, POSes or outposts.
These features have steadily been introduced and have allowed 0.0 to be tamed from what it was meant to be into what is essentially a player run version of empire.
Given the current feeling amongst EvE online players (BoB win EvE) have CCP by introducing these features essentially made it possible for someone to "win" Eve?
I would like to see a return to corporations only, no POSes or outposts. Introduce another way of building capital ships by all means but I think the mechanics that exist go against one of the things that is the essence of EvE:
"Skillpoints arent anything, a young player can beat an old player due to the learning system."
whilst this axiom remains true a young player can no longer lay a claim to the rich space outside empire thus severly limiting the game experience.
roll it back CCP.
Indeed, and once upon a time 0.0 was an extremely boring, desolate place.
BoB haven't and never will "win Eve", a large part of Eve doesn't give a damn about BoB (or 0.0 at all for that matter), another large part has enough of a clue to know they will never win all of 0.0. The remainder, a small band of forum whiners, seem to think BoB will control the whole of Eve within a week (incidentally, most of those same whiners are with the whole 'BoD' bandwagon).
And what are you on about young players not being able to take 0.0 space? Of course they can't, they're new players. It doesn't even have anything to do with skillpoints, it has everything to do with actual experience and organisational and strategic skill, something new players won't have by default. Why should 0.0 be handed to them on a plate? This is Eve. Eve has no easy mode.
New players have a choice, they can either join an existing 0.0 entity (which is p**s easy to do), or wait until they're experienced enough to found their own empire.
To summarise: No.
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AlleyKat
Gallente The Avalon Foundation
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:28:00 -
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No need to roll it back, although that would be interesting...
I see the game split in two atm, Empire and 0.0, from a territorial Point of View. You have to ask the reason why territory is so important to the game, because as you rightly suggest, it is conceivable for one 0.0 alliance to own all of 0.0.
For those which do not wish to engage in 0.0 territorial warfare, for whatever reason (perhaps one of the reasons you suggest: perceivable inability to compete) I am confident that factional warfare shall cause a splinter in the gamebase.
So the playerbase will consist of:
1: Empire. 2: Alliance. 3: Factional.
Of course, there are sub divsions and blurred lines between all three, but that's the future.
If it is conceivable that a single Alliance can control all of 0.0, it must also be considered that the majority of the playerbase will be involved in factional warfare.
This is especially true of the new players coming to Eve. The options presented to them on an involvement level would be:
1: Stay in new player corp. 2: Leave to join player-run corp/Alliance. 3: Factional Warfare.
I somehow feel Factional Warfare is more geared towards the lowest common denominator of gamesplayers, and perhaps in some ways, could be seen as being more 'fun'.
Alliances are hard-fought and forged players, who deserve more respect IMHO than they get and I say that with no 'political' agenda - it's invested time and strategy at its highest gameplaying levels. In other words, they should have as many options as possible to play the game in more and more inventive ways.
Just my thoughts...
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:38:00 -
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So, what happends if "BoB wins EVE", as you so put it ? Everybody and their mother wants to join them, because it's either join or sit in empire. They slowly become so bloated, and internal turmoil increases exponentially, that they end breaking up in several parts. And whoops, they haven't "won" anything all of a sudden.
And, what was 0.0 supposed to be anyway if not this ? If I remember correctly, it was ADVERTISED as essentially a completely player-run and player-policed version of Empire. So, you're complaining that we finally get what we were promised ? _ New char creation guide | Module/Rig stacknerfing explained |
Sarah McTeef
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
So, you're complaining that we finally get what we were promised ?
You could give the playerbase anything at all in the world and no less than 6 threads would appear on the board whining about it.
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Vasiliyan
The Flying Swan
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Posted - 2007.06.15 13:16:00 -
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What about NPC 0.0 space?
It sounds like you want to fix "a young player can no longer lay a claim to the rich space outside empire" by ensuring that NOBODY can lay claim to it, which doesn't make much sense to me.
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Xilimyth Derlin
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.15 13:32:00 -
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Ok, so 'The Alliance' does indeed take over all of 0.0. Wonderful. They become a sort of 0.0 CONCORD, policing their space as corporations build up and populate the territories. That's not necessarily a bad thing unless things start getting as restrictive as empire (ie "You can't anchor capital construction yards", "No dictor bubbles", etc).
And personally from what I see in their members, I don't think that is the goal. They just want to see all of 0.0 that nice blue color on the starmap.
So yea.... my view, The Alliance is CONCORD.... just kicking the NPC pirate corps out of 0.0 so everything can be player controlled.
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HippoAndFlamingo
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Posted - 2007.06.15 13:33:00 -
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To just make sure this point gets across. 0.0 is not empire nor will it ever be empire. There are no safe systems. That is why NBSI
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Xilimyth Derlin
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.15 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: HippoAndFlamingo To just make sure this point gets across. 0.0 is not empire nor will it ever be empire. There are no safe systems. That is why NBSI
Just for the record, by The Alliance becoming CONCORD I didn't quite mean this ^^ They'd actually have to act like police in my little theory and investigate, not just pop in instantly and gank :D (Though I'm sure that will happen occasionally too if your corp doesn't pay its taxes :D)
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beor oranes
Caldari Furious Angels Requiem-Aeternam
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Posted - 2007.06.15 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Nihil
Originally by: Kaar These threads are starting to get on my nerves...
The OP is generally one of the following:
Bitter because thier alliance/corp lost to a better alliance/corp
Sat in empire all day reading COAD and forming opinions about things they know nothing about
Doesn't have the skill or commitment to do something so blames the "tools"
Is a goon alt
All of the above
Seconded.
Thirded (is that even a word?!)
BoB might 'win' Eve then they will fall apart, like all big Empires do, and it will start again.
From what I understand of 0.0, the most of them like PvP, if everyone is blue then they will either leave Eve for another game or start shooting at each other. I vote for the latter...
Disclaimer: My views are my own and they do not represent my Corp or my Alliance. If they happen to be the same views of my Corp and/or Alliance that is pure coincidence and my CEO will pod me.
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Laboratus
Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ballistic CEO Sstuff...
0.0 to be tamed from what it was meant to be into what is essentially a player run version of empire...
stuff
0.0 is and was always meant to be a sandbox.
And still the rule of "don't ever undock anything that you cannot affoard to lose" applies in 0.0 At least everywhere where in 0.0 I've ever been to.
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Makhan
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ballistic CEO
Given the current feeling amongst EvE online players (BoB win EvE) have CCP by introducing these features essentially made it possible for someone to "win" Eve?
The only people who think that are complete morons.
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Kiyano
Caldari Pilots Of Honour
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:08:00 -
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Nobody can "win" eve, because if one single alliance had control of all 0.0 they'd get so bored without anybody to fight some pet corp/alliance would rebel or there would simply be a civil war and everybody would pick sides and the whole thing would collapse. You think BoB want to win eve heh... not quite, they're happiest having people to shoot tbh.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Ballistic CEO allowed 0.0 to be tamed from what it was meant to be into what is essentially a player run version of empire.
Have you even been to 0.0, ever?
That would be a "no", I think.
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Wendat Huron
Lupus Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.15 15:22:00 -
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They allowed for outposts to be built too far out, there was nothing gradual about it, now there's stations at the brink of known space and no sense of deep space left.
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Anferney
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Posted - 2007.06.15 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ballistic CEO These features have steadily been introduced and have allowed 0.0 to be tamed from what it was meant to be into what is essentially a player run version of empire.
Ermm...it strikes me as being the intent. After all, why require sovereignty (or even call it sovereignty) if it was not supposed to be an empire?
If 0.0 was not supposed to develope into player run empires, the features that allow advanced use and claiming of 0.0 should not be called sovereignty and the features that allow people to control 0.0 should have never been put in. Thus, claiming that it was not the intended result makes no sense.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2007.06.15 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron They allowed for outposts to be built too far out, there was nothing gradual about it, now there's stations at the brink of known space and no sense of deep space left.
Some charisma based Leadership or Corporate Management skills to instill confidence in the troops to be willing and able to settle well out of bounds would've been nice but by all means keep shafting charisma.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2007.06.15 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ballistic CEO So once upon a time there were no alliances, POSes or outposts.
[....] These features have steadily been introduced and have allowed 0.0 to be tamed from what it was meant to be into what is essentially a player run version of empire. [.....] roll it back CCP.
Honestly, do you have a clue of what you are speaking about?? The obious answer is ofcource no. Most likely its you who need to grow a brain, or at least get some BASIC knowledge in how EVE works!
First 0.0 is all about as you say "taming". Its a empty sandbox with sand in it. And yes, its up to the players to make what they want from it! Some builds liek Ascendant Frontiers. They where very very good in what we call building societies. Unfornately, they where not that good in Defence in the end, so they collapsed. There are sooo many examples of Empires rising and Falling. Some are shining bright for a long time, just like ASCN, but nothing lasts forever. Empires come and empires go. So will it most likely be with BoB too. Theres is so much more. I would strongly advice you to check out like corp and alliance forums. I am sure you will learn something, seeing that you are TOTALLY GREEN.
When it comes to win EVE, I will win and have win each time I play EVE and get the feeling that I am now having great fun! That is the easiest victory. I have some other goals too ofcource. Something to work for.
Well. Honestly. I think you should try to learn what EVE is all about instead of jumping on the forums making such a fool of yourselves.
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