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Alrich
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Posted - 2007.06.15 13:36:00 -
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 Originally by: Ambre Blanche
Originally by: Alrich
but if you are more than a few people it (at least for me) gets impossible to remember who is afk and who is not
Just look at their portrait, an overlay icon should be clearly visible on them if they are afk.
Ambre.
it was an argument against the mannual in-same-chat-as-everything-else method mainly used today
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Fenren
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Posted - 2007.06.15 13:47:00 -
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Edited by: Fenren on 15/06/2007 13:45:59
Originally by: Ambre Blanche
See above my answer about mature people? If you are careless in EVE, you die and you regret it deeply, and you learn. If you don't, you get tired of it and you return to play the game-that-I-should-never-have-named-in-the-first-place.
Ambre.
I can agree that the current system has some serius flaws. a timer of 1 hour is sertanly the minimum for such a funktion
there should not be a logout funktion, or it would have to be 5+ hours. and i must say that is one of the better features in this game, that i can stay online, watch a movie, then eat dinner, then have some fun with my friends, then jerk off while at the same time having my wallet up and monitor my sell/buy orders.
unfortunatly you mentioned the game-you-so-correctly-pointed-out-that-you-shouldnt-have-mentioned, now eleryone is going to flame that part...
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
Deadlines are when TomB says "get this done by such-and-such a date or I'll set you on fire".
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BABARR
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Posted - 2007.06.15 13:47:00 -
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Eeerm an afk flag in eve is like the equivalent of a "shoot me" flag.
I'd rather just get disconnected after 15 or 30 minutes of inactivity.
+1. And do that at least for Jita and other system lot of ppl.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.15 13:51:00 -
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What is the problem ona hoot me" flag? Anyoen will shoot you anyeay if they find you in low sec or null sec!
Daaa no difference at all. But make afk cloakers easiers to ignore...
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Ambre Blanche
ICE is Coming to EVE
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.15 13:54:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Fenren
unfortunatly you mentioned the game-you-so-correctly-pointed-out-that-you-shouldnt-have-mentioned, now eleryone is going to flame that part...
My mistake ... obviously.
Ambre.
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.06.15 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ambre Blanche
You are NEVER supposed to play afk in EVE.
Quote please.
Since Boring the **** out of the other guy is a very valid pvp strategy.
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beor oranes
Caldari
Furious Angels
Requiem-Aeternam
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:01:00 -
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Couldn't be bothered to read the thread...but I'm sure that it says somewhere when you start up the game that: This game is not meant to be played AFK!
Enough said...
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:01:00 -
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OP:
/signed
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Ambre Blanche
ICE is Coming to EVE
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:02:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Laboratus
Originally by: Ambre Blanche
You are NEVER supposed to play afk in EVE.
Quote please.
From this url : http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g16.asp
ò Don't play the game in AFK mode. This game is not designed with this kind of playing style in mind and you should NEVER consider your ship and character safe while being away from your computer.
Ambre.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:11:00 -
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Don't think you guys got teh idea.. the issue is with OTEHR people that stay afk.. and you don know it and you may put tosn of resources to coutner a threat that is afk.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
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Tasuric Orka
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:14:00 -
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READ THE FRIGGEN POST BEFORE YOU /SIGN OR FLAME THE OP!.
I quote:
"This command may only be used when docked,"
Anyway, totally signed. No more will i have angry ceo types on my head for not joining in combat ops when i was afk.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:24:00 -
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It's not only that though. It's about an /afk command while docked AND an automatic /afk if you did not do any game command in the last 10 mins no matter where you are.
Also, he edited his post as reaction to some comments which pointed out flaws - the "/afk only while docked" for example was most likely only added later.
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Rastigan
Caldari
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Rastigan on 15/06/2007 14:29:00
All this is going to do is the following:
#1 You will realize 83% of the player base is eating "poulet frites" and not actually at the computer playing EVE, looks bad for CCP.
#2 A 3rd party app will become mandatory for the game that presses a key every so often to circumvent the auto AFK feature for anyone who wants to stay logged in space for a while.
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Ambre Blanche
ICE is Coming to EVE
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:38:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Rastigan
#1 You will realize 83% of the player base is eating "poulet frites" and not actually at the computer playing EVE, looks bad for CCP.
No, they would be eating burgers and pizzas most probably :( Btw, you surely realize that how CCP looks to the rest of the universe is the least of my concern on this topic? :)
Originally by: Rastigan
#2 A 3rd party app will become mandatory for the game that presses a key every so often to circumvent the auto AFK feature for anyone who wants to stay logged in space for a while.
I admit it's a problem. But first, third party programs like that may be detected by skilled developpers (no, I won't give you an hint of who I am refering to) and second, we will still get what's most important to me: the ability to let your corp/alliance mates know that your are going afk.
Ambre.
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Natalia Fachiri
Minmatar
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:46:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Ambre Blanche
Edited by: Ambre Blanche on 15/06/2007 12:19:44
EVE is the only MMO that is not able to handle the afk problem correctly.
Please CCP, consider those changes :
1/ Implement the /afk command in the chat window. This command should allow someone to switch his/her afk flag on and off manually. This command may only be used when docked,
2/ Implement an automatic afk feature: the EVE client not receiving any hardware input should flag the logged character afk automatically after 10 minutes. Any new hardware input received after that should reset the afk flag automatically (may be an option),
3/ Through an overlay icon, all characters portraits (show info, chat windows, etc.) should immediately reflect the state of the character's afk flag,
Thoses changes will make life easier for everybody :
1/ No need to nerf the cloaking modules,
2/ We get rid of cloaked afk campers,
3/ We know when a buddy is gone to eat his "Poulet Frites" (sorry I can't stand junk food).
Thank you very much,
Ambre.
You contradict yourself. if I can only type the /afk command when I am docked, how does it in any way, shape or form get rid of afk cloakers or other afk people in space? They are not docked so cant set the flag. Or do you propose to have them log off after X minutes of inactivity unless they set the flag?
If thats the intention, okay. But how do you define it? No mouse movements or key imputs for X minutes? Just curious.
I dont think this is a needed addition really. AFK flag would be abused to no end to bait people, to fool them, to get a tiny advantage. Any smart pilot would assume the flag to be a trap.
PS: since you had to mention WoW, I will now also flame you for it: WoW isnt a PvP game. it has tacked on PvP that has zero impact on the game world. All you do is farm kills so you can exchange killpoints for items, instead of farling instances to get similar items. They even lowered the already extremely low death penalty further in the PvP battlegrounds, wich led to people suiciding into a crowd instead of replenishing mana and other behaviour youwould not see in a game where winning in PvP mattered. No need to reply to this part, I am only saying ^^
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:47:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Ambre Blanche
From this url : http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g16.asp
"tips and advice"
Very good tip
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CCP Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:56:00 -
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AFK icon would break immersion.
Do you really really really want everyone to know you are afk? It is a big flag saying ¦come and kill me now¦. Besides many at CCP like the fact that if you are in a dangerous area you better pay attention or else...So my personal opinion would be that if you are away for a long while, make sure you are safe or just log out.
Also instead of typing /afk
just type AFK in corpchat or gangchat and your buddies will know what you mean 
I like it that EVE has no pause button
Pink Dread has been hijacked
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Wraith Brutor
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: Wraith Brutor on 15/06/2007 14:59:41
/partially signed.
If it flagged you afk after a certain number of minutes, a recon pilot in local cloaking looking for targets wouldn't care, as he'd just wait till he was marked afk, and then hope you carebear types thought he really *was* afk. Then kill you.
As a result, as someone's already pointed out, this would mean no-one would trust the 'afk flag' and it would do nothing whatsoever to fix the 'afk cloaker' problem.
I'd prefer a logoff if been afk in space / station for an hour or more, as this would solve the 'cloak and go watch a movie until everyone's guard is down' types, which isn't fair I suppose.
As for whether this game is meant to be played afk or not it's not the point. What if I have to answer the phone, and the call takes longer than expected..if I'm safespotted then a prober could get a gang in to take me out knowing full well I'm afk. Or other similar circumstances..
People shouldn't incur losses just cos they don't logoff everytime the doorbell goes / phone rings.
And yes, it was a mistake comparing this game to WoW. In this situation. the number of subscribers means nothing. WoW is certainly NOT a PvP orientated game, PvP comes secondary to PvE in WoW, and the last thing a game like Eve, which focuses on entirely the opposite, should do is try emulate it. I certainly don't want the afk feature of WoW copied here just cos *that* game uses it anymore than I want to fly into a belt, type /dance and join the ships doing a kind of spontaneous synchronised boogie. 
However, I don't see a problem with the /afk to let your corp/gangmates *only* know that you're afk so they don't spend 5 valuable mins shouting that they have a target at one of the belts in local, and should they tackle him so you can come in to finish the kill
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Larg Kellein
Caldari
GTE Corp
Artificial Intelligence.
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Posted - 2007.06.15 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
AFK icon would break immersion.
Do you really really really want everyone to know you are afk? It is a big flag saying ¦come and kill me now¦. Besides many at CCP like the fact that if you are in a dangerous area you better pay attention or else...So my personal opinion would be that if you are away for a long while, make sure you are safe or just log out.
Also instead of typing /afk
just type AFK in corpchat or gangchat and your buddies will know what you mean
I like it that EVE has no pause button
Problem with that is that said corp members will not see your message that you are afk unless they themselves were also afk and look when they get back. If they belong to that rare breed of players who actually log out other than at downtime, they will join the channel, see you there and have no way to know you're afk. Many hissyfits ensue as I ask 5 hours later if they still need that scout or if they'll just be forwarding the repair bills:-)
So yeah, /signed for afk marker in chat, not signed for any afk functions in space.
Originally by: Roy Batty68
My software has wronged me!!! And it's immediately "sorry". Well, ok then. I suppose I'm not so upset at my software if it appologizes.
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.06.15 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Larg Kellein
If they belong to that rare breed of players who actually log out other than at downtime, they will join the channel, see you there and have no way to know you're afk. Many hissyfits ensue as I ask 5 hours later if they still need that scout or if they'll just be forwarding the repair bills:-)
So yeah, /signed for afk marker in chat, not signed for any afk functions in space.
Time stamp on chat ftw.
and waving in chat when logging on to see who are active...
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
AFK
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Posted - 2007.06.15 15:49:00 -
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EVE already has AFK, and we're recruiting! *points to sig*
=AFK=
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Vina
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.15 16:02:00 -
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There already is a /afk command: Self-destruct.
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Gungankllr
Caldari
STK Scientific
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.06.15 16:04:00 -
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Edited by: Gungankllr on 15/06/2007 16:03:54
I would rather the game boot people that have been non-responsive for long periods of time.
Less people on server = better server performance.
If you're going to log in and not play, you're just a waste of space.
Also, it would get rid of people logging in just to give others gang or ship bonuses, sitting afk at a safespot or POS somewhere.
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Kolwrath
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Posted - 2007.06.15 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
AFK icon would break immersion.
Do you really really really want everyone to know you are afk? It is a big flag saying ¦come and kill me now¦. Besides many at CCP like the fact that if you are in a dangerous area you better pay attention or else...So my personal opinion would be that if you are away for a long while, make sure you are safe or just log out.
Also instead of typing /afk
just type AFK in corpchat or gangchat and your buddies will know what you mean
I like it that EVE has no pause button
I dont see any problem with it, as long as its corp chat only icon (little yellow square instead of green or red?), in station or not.
I dont think immersion is going to be put at risk. In my corp the hardcore guys (me included) try and be in character and all that, do some RP'ing etc .. but you will always see "brb phone" or "sec need to get another beer" or "brb nature is calling" or what have you. RP is great and all but in the end of the day were all still guys (and some gals) sitting in front of a computer in RL and sometimes RL takes precedence. In the end this is just a game guys. It would be great to be able to let my corpies know with five quick keystrokes "/afk - enter" that I am unavailable.
Yes eve is dangerous, yeah if your afk your gonna be at a higher risk. But how is this different than now? if somebody is in empire and go afk they probably sit in space or go on autopilot, if they have a wardec they would dock at the nearest station ... in 0.0 they warp to the POS and then go to the bathroom. I dont see any difference at all, except that with the indicator your mates know for certain that you are indisposed. I dont see any problem with it. Its a good idea IMHO.
/signed
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J Ripper
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.15 16:19:00 -
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Ok, lets try this for an option..
AFK mode only works while docked & for corp to see only.
Typing AFK into chat is only usefull to those online at the time. Not much use to new corp members logging in.
Exiting the game for 5 - 10 mins is silly if all you need to do is answer door, phone, get drink etc...
Also, those that are AFK can be put onto a minimal server load useage of some kind (possible ?), as I bet a LOT of the 30k people logged in for X amount of time is doing nothing but stealing precious EVE server resources. Now that would decrease overall server load and be good for all of us !
Had to go AFK while writing this "smoke alarm went off" 
opinions ?
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Miss Greed
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Posted - 2007.06.15 16:21:00 -
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Easily fixed, "AFK" tag only shows to corpmembers/alliancemembers.
Tadaa. no free kill tag...
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Kolwrath
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Posted - 2007.06.15 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: J Ripper
Ok, lets try this for an option..
AFK mode only works while docked & for corp to see only.
Typing AFK into chat is only usefull to those online at the time. Not much use to new corp members logging in.
Exiting the game for 5 - 10 mins is silly if all you need to do is answer door, phone, get drink etc...
Also, those that are AFK can be put onto a minimal server load useage of some kind (possible ?), as I bet a LOT of the 30k people logged in for X amount of time is doing nothing but stealing precious EVE server resources. Now that would decrease overall server load and be good for all of us !
Had to go AFK while writing this "smoke alarm went off"
opinions ?
Sounds good to me. Cept the "only while docked" part. If it is for corpies only, why does whether or not you bieng docked matter? They aren't (hopefully) going to go find and gank you because your afk.
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Kolwrath
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Posted - 2007.06.15 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Greed
Easily fixed, "AFK" tag only shows to corpmembers/alliancemembers.
Tadaa. no free kill tag...
Bingo. Good idea Greed.
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Ambre Blanche
ICE is Coming to EVE
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.15 16:35:00 -
[59]
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
AFK icon would break immersion.
I have the feeling here that the sense of immersion each person has is very personal. Mine is very broken when an hostile player stays the whole day hidden in a system my alliance is supposed to have conquered.
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
Do you really really really want everyone to know you are afk?
Yes for my alliance mates if I purposely put myself afk. That's the whole point of the /afk command. For the other players, it's the price to pay. Nothing is supposed to be free in life.
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
So my personal opinion would be that if you are away for a long while, make sure you are safe or just log out.
You are missing the whole point of the /afk command. This command basically tells your corpmate: "ok you can see my character, I am logged but you cannot interract with me in any way.". Very convenient when you want to train a lot of low level skills while you do some clean-up for instance. Why do you think 100% of the others MMOs have this feature? Are they all stupids?
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
just type AFK in corpchat or gangchat and your buddies will know what you mean
Yes, the few who by chance where precisely looking at the chat window at that time. The others won't. Ever see at what speed a corp/alliance chat window scroll?
Ambre.
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Trovax
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.15 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Qual
Lol.
So if I sit in a cov ops, the first thing I do is type /afk.
Soon the local will learn that that does NOT mean im really afk, thus making the flag pointless for you perceaved benifits.
Try again.
He did say 'only when docked'. When undocked you should get DC'd after 15 - 20 minutes of no hardware input, but as was mentioned, we currnetly get DC'd every 5 minutes anyway. (Especially when windows/Antivirus decides to update....Nerf microsoft!! lol j/k )
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