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LifeLines
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:39:00 -
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I'm a fighter, started playing few months ago. My subscription will end tomorrow and I really feel that im going to cancel it... I feel like im being used, paying money just to learn skills, because lets face it - theres so little to do in EVE when you are new.
I grew tired of doing same and same and same missions, being a caldari its even more boring. You just shoot missiles and wait... no dog-fights I was expecting when I started playing =(
Maybe in one or two years my character would be powerful enough to go PvP, but it just doesn't seem right to wait 1-2 years and actually pay money for that.. anyone else feeling like me?
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Okapir
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:48:00 -
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Can I have your stuff?
Oh! and bye...
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Tish Magev
Sicarri Covenant
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:58:00 -
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Nope, been PvPing in various ways since this char was about a month old and loving every minute of it. Ya simply aren't willing to put the effort or risk in and in that case EvE isn't for you.
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Aioa
Planetary Assault Systems
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:59:00 -
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Not gonna disagree with the spamming-missiles-at-NPCs-is-boring thing, but you dont need that much SP to pvp.
What does help a lot is friends. I'd recommend getting yourself into a decent corp asap. As long as you can use a warp scrambler, you can be useful in a gang, and having good players around you will help you to become more and more effective as time goes by.
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Vasiliyan
The Flying Swan
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Posted - 2007.06.15 15:00:00 -
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Just try PvP. Worst case is you lose all your stuff, but then you were going to quit anyway.
Or try something other than Caldari, e.g. Minmatar, where you actually have to move around if you want to fight.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar AFK
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Posted - 2007.06.15 15:43:00 -
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You can get into 0.0 and PvP within a few days of starting. Any PvP corp will be able to make good use of a tackler, even if he doesn't have perfect skills. =AFK=
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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.06.15 15:45:00 -
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You're not opening yourself up to the available possibilities.
Make an alt, get into a Rifter, arm it with T1 gear and go into lowsec. Find something to kill, and attempt to blow it up - even if you die, you'll at least have fun, and its a disposable alt.
Also, with your main, try and join a player corp. Alliances and corps can always use eager blood that's more than happy to tackle for their big boys and girls - besides if you can survive being a newbie it really is a badge of honor in many ways, because its shown that you have the patience needed to hack it long term.
So, don't give up, find some people to pew pew with, and don't be afraid of dying... a lot .
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Panch0Villa
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Posted - 2007.06.15 16:14:00 -
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Edited by: Panch0Villa on 15/06/2007 16:17:01 Edited by: Panch0Villa on 15/06/2007 16:14:37 Edited by: Panch0Villa on 15/06/2007 16:14:11 This game is about community. I recommend playing a real role in the game other than fighting solo. If you want to fight solo, you shouldn't be paying for EVE. But Eve hasn't/isn't mainly about solo PvE fighting. That's what those boxed CD games are for. You are paying for the community of this MMO. Thus, if you haven't participated in the community, I don't think you understand why we are playing this game.
That said, follow the others' advice and join a corp. Specifically, you want to join a bloodthirsty pirate corp (at least that's what it sounds like.) I'm sure you would like that a whole lot more than agent missions and mining.
EDIT: I've been playing for about 23 days, and I ventured out into losec for the first time yesterday. I was chased across 5 systems by pirates, and my heart started getting a lil *boom boom* when I saw them chasing me. I'm sure you want to be part of the hunt. Try it and see
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Ozzie Asrail
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.15 18:18:00 -
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Too young to PvP? Not really.
At a couple of months you can fly a tackling frig or a ewar cruiser and easily fit into a gang. As long as you fit your ship well and learn from your gangm8's they won't mind a lack of sp.
Missle spam is boring? Sure is.
Minmatar ships will make use of your existing shield tanking and partly your missle skills. Only takes 1 week to get med projectiles and mini cruisers so try them and see?
Seen the EVE gate? Seen Cyvoks titan wreck? Smartbombed Jita and got concorded? Bagged an ore theif in a battlebadger?
Get in a good corp and just play -----
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Cipher7
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:16:00 -
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Missions are not content.
Missions are resource gathering, like mining, of course it's boring.
You do it for a few weeks or a few months to save up MONEY, then you go SPEND it and actually have FUN.
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Yumi Sarawatari
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:16:00 -
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Edited by: Yumi Sarawatari on 15/06/2007 19:16:40 I don't feel as though im paying for SP at all, and you certainly dont need to be 1 - 2 years old to PvP.
At 2 days old i had 4 killmails and a corpse in my hangar, just goes to show that if you go out and try it you can get into pvp from the word go.
All i was flying was a Kestrel aswell, and admitidly i only targeted Cruiser class or lower ships, but its very possible to PvP from the start.
I didnt have a single death till i got caught by an arbitraitor either .. it's so much fun if you just go out and try it.
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LifeLines
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ozzie Asrail Too young to PvP? Not really.
At a couple of months you can fly a tackling frig or a ewar cruiser and easily fit into a gang. As long as you fit your ship well and learn from your gangm8's they won't mind a lack of sp.
Missle spam is boring? Sure is.
Minmatar ships will make use of your existing shield tanking and partly your missle skills. Only takes 1 week to get med projectiles and mini cruisers so try them and see?
Seen the EVE gate? Seen Cyvoks titan wreck? Smartbombed Jita and got concorded? Bagged an ore theif in a battlebadger?
Get in a good corp and just play
wheres EVE gate? and no i havent seen cyvoks titan wreck, but i saw WOTANKN's
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Septius
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Posted - 2007.06.15 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: LifeLines I grew tired of doing same and same and same missions, being a caldari its even more boring.
I know the feeling. The early game seems to mainly be staring at your screen while your ship takes forever to get to its destination, do the same uninspired missions over and over, or to chase floating rocks around. No interesting story or things to do at all. Everything seems/looks the same.
I figure I better get into the PvP game soon, even though I'm sure to be constantly obliterated. Its either that or quit. I can't wait around for 2 years trying to get competitive skills built up.
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Ralara
Caldari Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.15 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: LifeLines I'm a fighter, started playing few months ago. My subscription will end tomorrow and I really feel that im going to cancel it... I feel like im being used, paying money just to learn skills, because lets face it - theres so little to do in EVE when you are new.
I grew tired of doing same and same and same missions, being a caldari its even more boring. You just shoot missiles and wait... no dog-fights I was expecting when I started playing =(
Maybe in one or two years my character would be powerful enough to go PvP, but it just doesn't seem right to wait 1-2 years and actually pay money for that.. anyone else feeling like me?
join a pvp corp? find a purpose?
missions and ratting are a means to an end. To get isk. How you spend that isk is up to you. If you just spend it on missions ... well, you'll quit eventually.
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Karasuma Akane
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.16 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: LifeLines Maybe in one or two years my character would be powerful enough to go PvP
If you're expecting to head out to 0.0 solo and rack up some kills against experienced players in 'dogfights', you may be right.
But if you're going to start (as many do in PVP) by primarily playing the part of a tackler in a gang with a few friends, you can begin quite quickly... train Propulsion Jamming skill and fit a webifier and a warp scrambler and you are good to go. Train Electronic Warfare and Weapon Disruption and you can fit even more e-war modules.
If you do decide to stick around, I'd suggest at least trying out the PVP University BASIC class, which will show by example how groups of new players in Tech 1 frigates can and will defeat those with more skillpoints and larger ships. (Next class is 7 July.) -----
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Evachece
Furious Angels Requiem-Aeternam
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Posted - 2007.06.16 02:48:00 -
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i understand the feeling, things can be a little overwealming at first. i was in a similer position several months ago, i had picked up eve on a whim and couldent really find any content to interest me, then a week before my sub was due to run out without me paying for it again i joined my current corp. it was like suddenly going from night to day, the game became fun. eve is a community game, try joining a player corp before you quit. you dont really need skills, almost anyone can tackle or just absorb a few hits. if your into missions tag along on some l4 missions with a bs pilot, he would probably like the company, and in a frig/cruser i can guarnetee it will be a chalange. if you like to mine, well then your sick in the head and theres nothing i can suggest to help. basicly just try going out into the community, join a corp, then decide if you want to stay or go.
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Umamasyean
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Posted - 2007.06.16 04:00:00 -
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Heh I know how you feel about the range fighting. I was using railguns constantly shooting "backwards" and I thought this was stupid. To top it off, I had to run all the way back like 100 km to pick up my loot.
Then I thought I'd give one of those neutron blasters a try and there's a "dogfight" if you want to call it that. To top it off, I was making some good use of leach and shield rchargers and afterburners (can't afford a micro ward drive) and it was actually a pretty neat because I had to actually "control my ship / systems". I actually got to try some E war stuff and it was pretty neat since my character was actually speced for a "caster build" so to speak. Well maybe you should give that a try and see if you get your "dogfight" experience.
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Angmar Da'Kirith
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Posted - 2007.06.16 07:15:00 -
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I am a 2 months player that want to make PVP but I know i need to learn lots of skill before have a role and not only tackle. For sure, missioning makes me boring, but I need ISK becouse even if you are in a corp you need them, you can't live just with the t1 things the corp can give to you and what if the corp ends? I like to be ISK independent and have a good wallet to face with smile any loss. So I will do mission until early 2008, my skills will be good to be a PVPer in a frigate or cruiser, in the meantime I build another alt that is a trader/hauler/industrial just to make money in another way that I like and to support the main char when will be in 0.0. Eve is ISK based and a good fitting (t2 etc.) costs so much and help more than skills (and sometimes more than experience), any loss is a hit.
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Nash Leigth
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.06.16 07:39:00 -
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If i ran missions in high sec over and over every day i'd quit this game too. Fortunately there is more to it than that. Running high sec missions alone is the most boring thing you can do in this game. I was doing it for the first 2 weeks playing and then abandoned it forever hopefully - was just trying to get used to the game and make some money for skills. People run mission to make ISK so that they can go PvP. If you aren't in a an active pvp corp yet, go join one. Have some fun for a change.
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Gartel Reiman
Project F3
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Posted - 2007.06.16 08:15:00 -
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Edited by: Gartel Reiman on 16/06/2007 08:14:50
Originally by: Angmar Da'Kirith I am a 2 months player that want to make PVP but I know i need to learn lots of skill before have a role
That's probably not the best attitude to take. Sure, never fly what you can't afford to lose - but do fly what you can afford to lose. I can definitely recommend Agony's PvP University course as linked above for showing you what's possible with cheaply fitted T1 frigates. I've taken an all-T1 Punisher into lowsec a few times for solo PvP - the whole thing cost me 500k and with insurance a loss would be about 200k - and it's amazing what you can do with it.
Your assumptions that you need a large amount of skill points to be a good PvP pilot are false. Most of the important modules are very very cheap skill-wise (e.g. Propulsion Jamming I and the Electronics skills), such that even a new player can compete if he knows what he's doing. In fact, if you sign up to the Agony course you'll have a list of required skills (which I can't reproduce here) - it would take a completely new player only about two weeks tops to get those skills, and with those skills young frigate pilots go out and take down commandships. Experience trumps skill points or larger ships every time.
So in conclusion: * Get in a corp * Get out there and start PvPing in disposable stuff, to get some experience. Another pointer to Agony as a great way of learning.
Edited to clarify who I was replying to!
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Angmar Da'Kirith
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Posted - 2007.06.16 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Gartel Reiman
That's probably not the best attitude to take. Sure, never fly what you can't afford to lose - but do fly what you can afford to lose.
Yes, you are right, but what if I want to pvp solo? I can't do that with just tackler skills, probably I can shutdown some miners, what a great pvp I am :), and the secutiry status loss (you are unable to kill BS due to skills)? And I have another problem: since there are so many skills to learn and so less time I invest in some +3 implants to learn faster so I can have the required skills faster than a young pvper that can't have due to lower isk and frequent pod kill. For sure, corp can give you experience, game tips, fun etc., but I think they can't give you a good isk base wallet, accelerate skill learning etc., so for a good jumpstart into this game you should invest the first part in building skills and wallet and after have fun. This is obviously my view :), for sure when I will be ready some young pvper with experience can beat me, but after I have done my experiences he is far behind skillwise.
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Umamasyean
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Posted - 2007.06.16 23:10:00 -
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You guys keep mentioning stuff arround "having a firm isk foundation". What approximately is that number arround before you should start 0.0 activities?
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Conura
Caldari Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.06.16 23:52:00 -
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Basically enough ISK to cover your ship if you lose it, and an insured ship to rat in. thats all you need.
My advice would be - Buy one ship to rat in, this ship does NOT PVP, and if a hostile enters system it docks and stays docked. Also, buy a (probably cheaper) pvp ship, fit it out with whatever you can and should you lose it, the ratting ship can buy you a new one after some grinding.
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Angmar Da'Kirith
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Posted - 2007.06.17 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: Umamasyean You guys keep mentioning stuff arround "having a firm isk foundation". What approximately is that number arround before you should start 0.0 activities?
To me, as much as I can do until my basic skill will be trained (jan 2008), so around 1.5-2 bill isk makes me happy to afford to loose starting t1 frigate and cruiser (and some +2 implants :) ).
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Angmar Da'Kirith
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Posted - 2007.06.17 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: Conura
My advice would be - Buy one ship to rat in, this ship does NOT PVP, and if a hostile enters system it docks and stays docked.
It is good but with +3 implants on I don't want to risk so much, l3-l4 mission is safe enough and with trading/industrial activities you can reduce the boring (and increase the isk).
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Jose Quevo
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.06.17 07:58:00 -
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I understand how you feel. I felt lost and confused during my first month of playing as well - I felt that I had no 'purpose' within the game, and was about to quit when I was recruited to my current corp ( my main character, that is - Jose Quevo is an alt I use for recruiting and forum-posting ). Suddenly there was a reason to play. I fit and serve a very specific role within the corp, and *that* is the sole factor which gives me motivation to play. EVE, in other words, is not a solo-game - it is about a group of players working together.
I would advice you to give EVE some time. Join a well-oriented corporation ( heck, you can contact me in game and I will set up an interview! ), and have fun. :) ----
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Nash Leigth
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Posted - 2007.06.17 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Umamasyean You guys keep mentioning stuff arround "having a firm isk foundation". What approximately is that number arround before you should start 0.0 activities?
As Konura says you need ISK to cover your ships losses. Most newbies head for 0.0 in a battlecruiser which comes to around 25 mil, ship + cheap fittings, and some money for insurance. You probably would want to have enough to be able to cover purchase of two more battlecruisers so that if you are killed that wasn't your last savings going down in flames - so may be around 50-100 mil in pocket.
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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.06.18 00:18:00 -
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I would say you need a fit L2 or higher mission ship in empire, as well as say 20m or so, before you should try to PvP in cruisers, more like 5m if you're going to be running around in frigates.
The key here is the mission ship in empire, as well as a little cash on the side in case you have an accident with it. Keeping it safe allows you to make more isk when your initial cash supply is drained, its a means of production ...
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RikiTiki
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Posted - 2007.06.18 03:29:00 -
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Maybe I'm just stupid, but before my 6 month hiatus from EVE, I had my main "pirating" from day 15. I rigged up a rocket Kestrel and just had at it. I lost tons of ships, but it was tons of fun, and it all got payed back when I picked up two Arbalest Heavies off of a Caracal kill.
If you can't take a risk on a game to have a bit of fun, but all means quit... though you'll be missing out.
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Strife Phoenix
Acerbus Vindictum
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Posted - 2007.06.18 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: LifeLines I'm a fighter, started playing few months ago. My subscription will end tomorrow and I really feel that im going to cancel it... I feel like im being used, paying money just to learn skills, because lets face it - theres so little to do in EVE when you are new.
Little to do?! There are tons of things to do where missionrunning is just a little part. To name a few Mining, trading, building, producing, inventing, fighting, pirating, chatting, learning, exploring and of course popping :)
Originally by: LifeLines I grew tired of doing same and same and same missions, being a caldari its even more boring. You just shoot missiles and wait... no dog-fights I was expecting when I started playing =(
Now this is something you can change. You are not limited to Caldari ships nor using only missiles. Buy a few frigskills from the other races to start you out. Get some gunnery skills to start using rails/blasters. If you want to stay Caldari the cruiser "Moa" is not a bad boat to fight in and you'll get to use your newly acquired gunneryskills as well. Heck you can have a lot of fun in cheap friggs knowing you are going to get smacked but willing to just charge in there and laugh all the way home in the podexpress.
Originally by: LifeLines Maybe in one or two years my character would be powerful enough to go PvP, but it just doesn't seem right to wait 1-2 years and actually pay money for that.. anyone else feeling like me?
Well, you are not to young to go pvp ever. I mean, there is only so many skills that apply to each ship that you actually stand a chance to kill the uber 55million+ SP guy when he is out and about in his cruiser, if you focused on a boat you like and get the supportskills you need to fly that boat well you might be better in handling that at 4-5 Mil than he is..
Get into a good PvP corp, learn the basics, start out as a tackler and get into it and soon all of eve universe will fear you and your skills :) _ Win BIG ISK with BIG Lottery
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