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Marichek	Posted - 2004.01.15 16:16:00 - [1] If you skipped over the new dev blog, go up to the sticky and read it real quick, because I LOVE THE NEW IDEA! I'm posting this as a separate topic to help promote this idea and encourage its implementation ASAP! First of all, it introduces an actual use for the standing bar, instead of merely removing a friendly person from your threats window! Second, its very dynamic, so if a corp or even a single member of a corp keeps ****ing you off in local, keep lowering his standing and eventually you'll have a war! Third, no more war limit! Fight as many corps as you want! Only 24 hours is needed for a war to be official. Fourth, Jade can quit yelling 'sploit!!! when a corp member quits a corp to avoid war because his individual standing matters, as well. Fifth, foolish allies that don't announce themselves in alliance chat or TS to trigger happy allies will appear as a light blue bracket, thus avoiding the obvious consequences. Thats all I can really think of right now, but this idea of TomBs is really cool. There are plenty of things that I'd like fixed before this, but eve-wide i believe this will be a huge success! DannyThe Great > i have an urge to kill anyone who isnt in my corp and has a smaller ship.
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2004.01.15 16:22:00 - [2] When would this come into play? Convert Stations
Athule Snanm	Posted - 2004.01.15 16:23:00 - [3] Sixth, the whole thing goes out the window if both sides don't agree to a war (so neither personal nor corp standings matter). _______________________________ Doomheim - EVE's only hygiene!
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2004.01.15 16:31:00 - [4] Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 15/01/2004 16:32:47 Regardless many corporations have pirates set at -10, this would mean war and open season all over empire space if left unchecked as I'm sure the pirates would be quick to match. Convert Stations
Marichek	Posted - 2004.01.15 16:57:00 - [5] mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, empire space! DannyThe Great > i have an urge to kill anyone who isnt in my corp and has a smaller ship.
Mistress D'Malice	Posted - 2004.01.15 17:44:00 - [6] Although I like the idea of being able to quickly tell friend or foe, I still disagree that a corp has to accept a war. And seeing that the scanner causes me more lag then anything else, I dont even use it when we get the 30vs30 battles in Curse. So this feature won't be much use where they are needed most IMHO. The problem in mass battles is lag generally, not figuring out who is who most of the time. Black Lotus Official Forums - www.blacklotusclan.com Contact Me - [email protected]
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2004.01.15 17:56:00 - [7] Quote: Although I like the idea of being able to quickly tell friend or foe, I still disagree that a corp has to accept a war. That's what tends to happen when you have a peacekeeping organisation; they try and keep the peace. _______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age."
Christopher Xen	Posted - 2004.01.15 18:02:00 - [8] Edited by: Christopher Xen on 15/01/2004 18:03:54 Empire space? (mouth waters) mmmmmm...afk, macro mining, battleships with miner 2s and 27% cargo expanders....mguaahhhhaaaaaa....(gurgles in rapture.)
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2004.01.15 18:24:00 - [9] I like this, will create a lot more pvp in empire space. With this, I would beg of the devs to make splash dmg non aggressive. It's a pain with wars as they are, but if large alliances and pvp corps are going to be doing a lot of pvp in empire space, we need to let it occur, and not be dictated by concorde responding to splash to some nub in yulai who wanted to "watch" and got a lil to close. Give us a sec hit for collateral dmg if u wish, but let us fight eachother, not get overpowered by concorde. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
pooti	Posted - 2004.01.15 19:07:00 - [10] Quote: I like this, will create a lot more pvp in empire space. With this, I would beg of the devs to make splash dmg non aggressive. It's a pain with wars as they are, but if large alliances and pvp corps are going to be doing a lot of pvp in empire space, we need to let it occur, and not be dictated by concorde responding to splash to some nub in yulai who wanted to "watch" and got a lil to close. Give us a sec hit for collateral dmg if u wish, but let us fight eachother, not get overpowered by concorde. ^ Yes. Also, it only makes sense that both sides would need to be openly warring in order for Concord, faction police, etc. to not interfere. If this function is implemented as described and alliances & high profile corps actually use it Eve is certainly going to become a more interesting place.
Ronald Speirs	Posted - 2004.01.15 19:11:00 - [11] I'm with the pirates here. This system looks promising. But, how do alliance wars start? If someone declares war on the CA, and they're in FA, does the WHOLE FA have to go to war?
Mistress D'Malice	Posted - 2004.01.15 19:16:00 - [12] The way I understand it is that if you are +10 with other corps, thats considered an alliance. If one corp in the alliance goes to war, all the corps that are allied with that one corporation are at war as well. Will force true alliancees to be much more selective about the wars they start. Good thing - everyone can gank everyone in Empire without worring about Concord. Bad thing - Empire will no longer be safe to agent run or mine. Black Lotus Official Forums - www.blacklotusclan.com Contact Me - [email protected]
Marichek	Posted - 2004.01.15 20:35:00 - [13] ooooh, i cant wait for this to take effect! TomB, if you read this...when will it? I didn't read any dates in any of the replies in your sticky. DannyThe Great > i have an urge to kill anyone who isnt in my corp and has a smaller ship.
Neamus	Posted - 2004.01.15 20:53:00 - [14] Edited by: Neamus on 15/01/2004 20:55:55 I like the overall idea, but consensual war?... Tell me one carebear corp which is gonna accept a war declaration from any one of many pirate corps out there? At least with the current system no one can hide from war. With these new changes many larger corps will split into carebear/non carebear corps. So yes you will be able to fight those willing, but no more disruption of the Isk making (manufacturing/mining) divisions of these corps, which is where it hurts most. Seriously, its clear how much the good pirate corps are already owning eve, tell me one carebear corp that would accept a war from the likes of SI/Moo ect... Seems be another score for the carebears, imo nowhere should be 100% safe, with these changes 0.5+ systems will be just that.
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2004.01.15 22:47:00 - [15] Quote: Edited by: Neamus on 15/01/2004 20:55:55 I like the overall idea, but consensual war?... Tell me one carebear corp which is gonna accept a war declaration from any one of many pirate corps out there? At least with the current system no one can hide from war. With these new changes many larger corps will split into carebear/non carebear corps. So yes you will be able to fight those willing, but no more disruption of the Isk making (manufacturing/mining) divisions of these corps, which is where it hurts most. Seriously, its clear how much the good pirate corps are already owning eve, tell me one carebear corp that would accept a war from the likes of SI/Moo ect... Seems be another score for the carebears, imo nowhere should be 100% safe, with these changes 0.5+ systems will be just that. I don't understand the big deal here. The carebear corp may not accept a war dec from a pirate or large corp... so what. They can still be killed 0.0 and they are, by not accepting the war, giving up the oppurtunity to defend themselves inside empire space. As for large corps, bah, you will be able to shame them into either accepting it, or it will be a public acceptance that they are simply scared of the other corp. If EXAMPLE mass declared war vs Omega and omega wouldn't accept it... you don't think their would be a backlash? Vice versa applies as well ofc. To the folks in dev blog and other places saying there should be ludicrous isk penalties involved in declaring war.... gimme a break. Let's encourage pvp, not create even more obstacles. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
pooti	Posted - 2004.01.15 22:50:00 - [16] carebear/newbie corps shouldnt HAVE to fight a war!! if theyre happy just chillin' in empire space, fine!! why would concord let pirates just declare war and start attacking everyone?? as much as i like the idea of declaring war on a large noncombat corp and making them mine for me or die, that's pretty dumb.
Athule Snanm	Posted - 2004.01.15 22:55:00 - [17] The ISK suggestions are about non-consensual wars, not the consensual ones. The idea being that it would discourage people from doing it for fun (consensual wars are for that) but still not allow a corp to completely avoid the consequences of their actions. As to the corp giving up their opportunity to defend themselves in empire space, well they don't need to defend themselves if they can't have a war declared against them. _______________________________ Doomheim - EVE's only hygiene!
Sundri Elaption	Posted - 2004.01.15 23:01:00 - [18] I think, there should still be system in Empire space were u would be safe @ all times, so mayB, the systems under 0.5 and below will take this effect. But i like the idea!!
Raid	Posted - 2004.01.15 23:13:00 - [19] I really like this new system, it removes the war limits but at the same time makes declaring a war that much harder. Corps wont have to accept wars from alt corps anymore. If a corp wants to declare war then they will have to man up and use their main corporation to do it. The alliance feature makes it a whole heck of a lot easier to figure out whos and ally and who isnt without having to look at character info. These are Great, long awaited changes!
Wild Rho	Posted - 2004.01.15 23:31:00 - [20] Have the wars limited to certain areas. Corps at war can partake of combat up to somthing like 0.7 systems. from 0.8 onwards it is considered for the safety of the local population that corporate war battles cannot take place or somthing. On the plus side a non combat corp has the option to avoid being killed off by a combat pp experienced corp. The downside is that if they really want to avoid this they have to stay in the very highest security systems where there is little in the way of valuable resources that could be mined. I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it...
Kulach	Posted - 2004.01.16 00:02:00 - [21] Quote: Have the wars limited to certain areas. Corps at war can partake of combat up to somthing like 0.7 systems. from 0.8 onwards it is considered for the safety of the local population that corporate war battles cannot take place or somthing. On the plus side a non combat corp has the option to avoid being killed off by a combat pp experienced corp. The downside is that if they really want to avoid this they have to stay in the very highest security systems where there is little in the way of valuable resources that could be mined. Sounds like a good idea to me. Have to be tested of course.... Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.01.16 01:44:00 - [22] Quote: carebear/newbie corps shouldnt HAVE to fight a war!! if theyre happy just chillin' in empire space, fine!! why would concord let pirates just declare war and start attacking everyone?? as much as i like the idea of declaring war on a large noncombat corp and making them mine for me or die, that's pretty dumb. pooti, the corporation that brought all this about is a 100+ member corp of the Stain Alliance currently at war with Space Invaders. It's their empire operations that are getting hit as one of their directors, Kipkruide, was kind enough to supply some of the missing pieces of the story: Quote: hmm again i read lotsa misconception about si and kiroshi, there was no reason for them to attack us, we didn't do anything to them, they juts showed up declared war and started podding newbs in empire space. and the peeps using cruises are the 2 managers in emp and me who had to come down from stain* for this rediculous business, go away.. SHOO..* pester someone else,. This isn't some n00b corp that's gettng ganked by the griefers. It's a corporation that's the member of a strong alliance whose empire operations are getting hit in a valid war. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Dianabolic	Posted - 2004.01.16 01:54:00 - [23] So long as we keep our 3 non-concensual war slots this is a great idea.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.01.16 02:00:00 - [24] Quote: So long as we keep our 3 non-concensual war slots this is a great idea. Quote: War declaration would be both sided, you need to accept war to go into war. TomB If it goes in unaltered, all wars will have to be consented to. Like that will happen. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Boneca	Posted - 2004.01.16 02:15:00 - [25] The option some of non-consensual wars must not be removed.
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2004.01.16 03:53:00 - [26] Quote: If it goes in unaltered, all wars will have to be consented to. Only in empire space 0.5 and up. Anywhere else, and you don't even need to declare war before shooting at people; and the whole point of empire space is that it's secure, you can't be attacked while in it, unless you are willing. What did you expect? This game is designed to cater both for those who want PvP, and those who don't. _______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age."
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.01.16 04:16:00 - [27] Edited by: Jash Illian on 16/01/2004 04:21:30 Quote: Quote: If it goes in unaltered, all wars will have to be consented to. Only in empire space 0.5 and up. Anywhere else, and you don't even need to declare war before shooting at people; and the whole point of empire space is that it's secure, you can't be attacked while in it, unless you are willing. What did you expect? This game is designed to cater both for those who want PvP, and those who don't. That would be fine IF the people that pretend they want to PvP wouldn't use holes like that to remain untouched. Kiroshi Group is a prime example. They join Stain Alliance, yet make up a story of how newbie corps (referring to themselves) are being attacked by griefers and causing people to quit. Erm...1st you create a corp, which was pretty much giving consent to having a war declared on you. Then you join an alliance, which is pretty much hanging a "Shoot Me" sign on your back. Then you lie about being some n00b corporation (with 104 members, outnumbering their attackers 3 to 1) being harassed by a 'griefers' to convince the developers to let you have the best of both worlds (immunity from harm in empire space and cheap access to the rare resources availible in 0.0 space). Baldour, you don't find something fundamentally wrong about that? This game is attempting to straddle a fence to the detriment of both sides: those who expressly do not want to PvP and those who aren't bothered by it. CCP would be better off shrinking the universe and taking the freed resources to make 2 servers, PvP and non-PvP. Otherwise this subforum will be lit up with: "XXX Alliance hides behind unallied diaper space corp to avoid war". It already happens now. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2004.01.16 05:39:00 - [28] As I understand it, though, you can circumvent this line of defence by getting into a war with a legitimate SA corp ... they'll be dragged into it whether they want to or not, unless they leave the SA and lose their access to Stain. That's the plus side to the new system, is it not? _______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age."
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.01.16 06:13:00 - [29] Quote: As I understand it, though, you can circumvent this line of defence by getting into a war with a legitimate SA corp ... they'll be dragged into it whether they want to or not, unless they leave the SA and lose their access to Stain. That's the plus side to the new system, is it not? Yes it is, which raises the chances of people not accepting a war. People may mine in 0.0 space. They may rat farm in 0.0 space. But the market is in empire space I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Drutort	Posted - 2004.01.16 11:01:00 - [30] Quote: Although I like the idea of being able to quickly tell friend or foe, I still disagree that a corp has to accept a war. And seeing that the scanner causes me more lag then anything else, I dont even use it when we get the 30vs30 battles in Curse. So this feature won't be much use where they are needed most IMHO. The problem in mass battles is lag generally, not figuring out who is who most of the time. LOL you DID forget that EMPIRE is controled by navy and concord OR DID that some how pass you? LOL you have to both agree or else concord/navy thinks your just attacking the other party... if both dont agree then concord should just blow up the other ones who are causing trouble in there back yard... you want to fight without concord? lol go to 0.0 sec like now you dont even need a war to fire at anyone you like there. empire is there for a reason and you should play by the rules... I love this idea because of the allaince and the hole corp war thing... none of this alt corp BS which is exploiting in a way... and that leaving corp stuff is great as well and the 7 days still active in war even if you give up or change your standing not to be at war is all PERFECT support Idea: QuickInfo an alternative to ShowInfo my MoBlog

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