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Evelyn Arden
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Posted - 2007.06.18 21:25:00 -
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As it stands right now, the marketplace is anonymous until the purchase is made. You do not know who is selling or buying until after the fact. If two corporations have a wardec, then members at war could concievably be shaking hands in a marketplace deal. I would suggest adding a filter to sell/buy orders that restrict who can trade with you. This filter could be based on if a wardec has been established, corporate standings, or security standings. I realize that an alt could still make the trades but it does bring in the "embargo" factor for alliances and adds the abilty for individual industrialists to restrict who they trade with (as it stands right now, a member could have lost several shipments to pirates only to have these same pirates purchase goods from them on the local market [or worse, they end up buying back the items that were stolen from them  ] - by adding this feature, the member now has the ability to not do business with them). If an organization griefs too much, then they would soon find themselves shunned and unable to do legimate business (as what happened to the real pirates of old  ).
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Selene Le'Cotiere
Amarr
Dark Oracle Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:32:00 -
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Actually, I'd like to see something like this implemented also. It would certainly give the industrialists some leverage in dealing with problem pirates.
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Serene Rapture
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Posted - 2007.06.19 04:41:00 -
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Good idea except that by using alts, most people can bypass the trade sanctions. |
45thtiger011
Gallente
45th TIGERS
Phoenix Supremacy
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Posted - 2007.06.19 05:12:00 -
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yeah, maybe have skills dealing with this but at a basic level be able to set it so items are available for purchase based on standings or within corp/alliance. you probably should make it so you can only see items if their available to you...
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Reggie Stoneloader
Teikoku Trade Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.19 06:01:00 -
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I'd like to see "sell order" contracts introduced. Specify valid buyers via standings or specific mention, maybe tie it into the address book so your sell contracts can be available to "Anyone with +3 or greater standings, the XYZ alliance, whoever havens to be at war with the ABC corporation and everyone in my "Friendly Neighbors" addy book tab" and then we'd be in business.
The fact that everyday activities can unwittingly aid your enemies is one of the great problems with the industrial side of EvE's PvP engine.
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Tonto Auri
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.06.19 07:29:00 -
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Useless and ridiculous database hell and lag generator.
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.06.19 07:31:00 -
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A better way to do this would be for "private markets" to be added. So when you hit that button it opens the public market window, but also lets you get a list of all private markets.
This would probably tie in well with constellation sovereignty - having a capital ensuring you can run a market which is access controlled.
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logosfold
Amarr
ORB enterprises
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Posted - 2007.06.19 07:44:00 -
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It would be very nice to see who you were buying from.
Market PVP really would be Market PVP instead of ppl just waiting all day and adjusting their orders every 20 minutes or so. Whole alliances or corps could impose trade embargos etc.
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Evelyn Arden
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:55:00 -
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 Originally by: James Duar
A better way to do this would be for "private markets" to be added. So when you hit that button it opens the public market window, but also lets you get a list of all private markets.
This would probably tie in well with constellation sovereignty - having a capital ensuring you can run a market which is access controlled.
I think your right, the "private markets" tab would be a better way to set sell orders but you still don't know who you are buying from unless thier ID is attached in the display settings. If your consistently being undercut by competition in the local markets, it would be nice to know thier affliation and then react accordingly. By attaching seller/buyer identification prior to trades, it would give the market PvP more teeth and tools. |
Typhado3
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.19 12:32:00 -
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/signed
this would also be great for 0.0
a strategy in 0.0 is to go to a station of someone you don't like and remotely buy some of their stuff. You can then resell this stuff at higher price or just hold it, for example you are attacking someone so you buy out all their ammo so they start running low on ammo. A way to defend against this would be great.
My Opinions are my own, not my corp's, not my friend's, and not my pet fedo's
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John Grimm
The Taining corp
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.06.19 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Typhado3
/signed
this would also be great for 0.0
a strategy in 0.0 is to go to a station of someone you don't like and remotely buy some of their stuff. You can then resell this stuff at higher price or just hold it, for example you are attacking someone so you buy out all their ammo so they start running low on ammo. A way to defend against this would be great.
This is really annoying.
Originally by: Rawne Karrde
PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login. If you don't like it you're in the wrong game.
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Serene Rapture
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Posted - 2007.06.19 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: John Grimm
Originally by: Typhado3
/signed
this would also be great for 0.0
a strategy in 0.0 is to go to a station of someone you don't like and remotely buy some of their stuff. You can then resell this stuff at higher price or just hold it, for example you are attacking someone so you buy out all their ammo so they start running low on ammo. A way to defend against this would be great.
This is really annoying.
<<< confused. Is this post annoying or the tactic of remotely buying out you adversaries ammo?
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Vasiliyan
The Flying Swan
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Posted - 2007.06.19 14:11:00 -
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Restricting orders like this would cause tedium, and just require people to work around it with alts.
However, I can see a case for not allowing people to instabuy things from an outpost that they cannot dock at.
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Reggie Stoneloader
Teikoku Trade Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.19 14:19:00 -
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I'd also like to see a "limit 8 per customer" idea. Reselling is annoying.
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Vasiliyan
The Flying Swan
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Posted - 2007.06.19 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader
I'd also like to see a "limit 8 per customer" idea. Reselling is annoying.
You'd rather 100 people resell them individually?
Reselling is an important part of the economy of eve, if you're being badly affected by it you're underpricing.
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Seth Ruin
Minmatar
Galactic Exploration and Mining Corporation
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.19 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Serene Rapture
Good idea except that by using alts, most people can bypass the trade sanctions.
That's pretty much the death of this idea =/
Theoretically sounds cool, but all one needs to do is make an alt (who doesn't have a "Jita price check" alt?) to handle buying/selling.
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Evelyn Arden
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Posted - 2007.06.19 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Seth Ruin
Originally by: Serene Rapture
Good idea except that by using alts, most people can bypass the trade sanctions.
That's pretty much the death of this idea =/
Theoretically sounds cool, but all one needs to do is make an alt (who doesn't have a "Jita price check" alt?) to handle buying/selling.
I agree that alts bypass the trade sanctions but then that would require some logistical sorting to get the items to the alt. If the alt is not a member of the same corporation [having access to the hanger bays] then a third party needs to get involved or at least creative use of jettisoned cans. Either way it makes things tougher especially if the quantity of items requires an industrial to shuttle back/forth. If the alt is running a separate client of eve, then the logistics becomes a bit more managable but still a hassle. The real root of this post was that there is no mechanism to impose trade sanctions on those you are hostile with. The market is anonymous until after the fact when you really should know who you are about to do business with. In order to further flesh out the open ended nature of eve, a corporation/faction/alliance should have the ability to engage in economic sactions against rivals. If you really wanted to explore this potential then you would also have to factor in a factions ability to impose "real" economic sanctions including, but not limited to, tariffs, trade barriers, import duties, and import or export quotas. My suggestion is only a nod to the idea of trade sanctions and giving a little credance to the real power of ecomomic might vrs military might. Open warfare should be nation vrs nation (in our case corporation vrs corporation or alliance vrs alliance) and the use of military muscle is just but one tool in the arsenal. Without the ability to truely engage in economic warfare, the conflicts are just a bunch of battle ball warships going "pew pew pew" 
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Serene Rapture
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Posted - 2007.06.19 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Evelyn Arden
I agree that alts bypass the trade sanctions but then that would require some logistical sorting to get the items to the alt.
Use private contracts?
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Evelyn Arden
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Posted - 2007.06.19 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Serene Rapture
Use private contracts?
I've never tried to use contracts to move good between alts. I'll give it a whirl if I can get in Eve post patch.
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John Grimm
The Taining corp
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.06.21 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Serene Rapture
Originally by: John Grimm
Originally by: Typhado3
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this would also be great for 0.0
a strategy in 0.0 is to go to a station of someone you don't like and remotely buy some of their stuff. You can then resell this stuff at higher price or just hold it, for example you are attacking someone so you buy out all their ammo so they start running low on ammo. A way to defend against this would be great.
This is really annoying.
<<< confused. Is this post annoying or the tactic of remotely buying out you adversaries ammo?
It's them buying your ammo remotely thats annoying. They cant even get to the stuff they bought, so it makes no sens for them being able to buy it.
Does the above statement make sense
If yes, then CCP should alter the market mechanics to make it a bit more realistic.
Originally by: Rawne Karrde
PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login. If you don't like it you're in the wrong game.
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Dynamist
Antipodean inc.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.21 06:53:00 -
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This might not work so well in Empire since most sellers in Empire are happy to sell to neutrals, and so "embargoed" corps can go through alts. It would still be an inconvenience though. Just because its possible to log in an alt it still means you have to fly your alt to the station, buy it, and xfer it to your main.
In 0.0 where generally only a limited number of people have access to your items (via docking rights and nbsi), being able to to block out buyers by security status or alliance/corp membership would really help. One of the most annoying things is when you conquer a station and the old owners leave alts behind to sabotage the market. As long as they don't undock they can act with impunity. It would also help against the people who fly a covert into their remote trading range and then proceed to screw with your market in the same way.
Theres no practical defence against these tactics (excluding producing more than they can afford to buy, or putting stuff up on contracts which is very awkward and time consuming).
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Evelyn Arden
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Posted - 2007.06.21 19:57:00 -
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Didnt realize that a covert with a big bankroll could cause so much grief in 0.0. Guess my idea has more use than I thought - lol
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Maya Rkell
Third Grade Ergonomics
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Posted - 2007.06.21 20:37:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 21/06/2007 20:36:32
Originally by: logosfold
It would be very nice to see who you were buying from.
That's the point, you don't buy from anyone.
Even you buy something "immediatly", You place a buy order for X ISK, to the value of a current order. The server then, seperately, matches up the new buy order with an existing sell order.
So CCP would need to completely re-write the market code for 1:1 selling. Rather they did something useful like make the UI modable.
Escrow USED to be useful for off-market work. Contracts mean, well, you're stuffed.
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Tzesaeia
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Posted - 2007.06.21 22:05:00 -
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Yeah it's no bad idea but it would take to mutch effort to realize. I think escrow limits the market enough. Nobody sells Capitals for examle in the market they only sell it to ppl they know and hope that those are no spies- But this workd fine for now better remove local in 0.0.
Remove local in 0.0
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Necrosmith
Gallente
Excellence In Business Corporation
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Posted - 2007.06.22 00:59:00 -
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I agree.
It seems to me you should be able to set up trade embargos against hostile alliances/corps.
Just seems like common sense.
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