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Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2012.01.05 03:39:00 -
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So CCP changed the corp jumping mechanics to allow people to leave corps and not deem it an exploit.
But what about people forcing a war dec that lets them shoot without the 24 hour notice period??
Notification 1
AAA Destruction Declares War Against BBB From: CONCORD Sent: 2012.01.04 23:43
AAA has declared war on BBB. Fighting can legally occur between those involved.
Notification 2
AAA Retracts War Against BBB From: CONCORD Sent: 2012.01.04 23:43
The war between AAA and BBB is coming to an end.AAA has retracted the war against BBB. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours.
Corp management tab shows
Started 2012.01.01 00:00:05 Issued By AAA Against BBB Finished 2012.01.04 23:43:00 Can Fight Yes Retracted 2012.01.04 23:43:00 Mutual No
So explain to me, how a dec can made, immediately pulled, and they get 24 hours to shoot someone???
This was is on an alt, but the same thing happened to this corp a few months back. I thought it was noobs being silly initially, but now I realised that a number of corps are doing this to get legal pew in high sec without their targets realising they have started a war and don't have the 24 hours grace period.
Oh, there is also a typo in the retraction notification - no space between the period and the name of the deccer
coming to an end.[war deccer] has retracted
Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!! |
Brock Nelson
229
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Posted - 2012.01.05 03:45:00 -
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Against All Authories is still in this game? |
Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers
30
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Posted - 2012.01.05 03:55:00 -
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Brock Nelson wrote:Against All Authories is still in this game? Big Breasted Bastards are still in this game?
(Only thing I could think that worked with BBB...) |
Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
116
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Posted - 2012.01.05 04:01:00 -
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I used AAA and BBB to hie the corps/alliances involved...
Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!! |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
765
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Posted - 2012.01.05 04:09:00 -
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its meaningless unless you actually tried to shoot a WT
did you? The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
116
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Posted - 2012.01.05 04:56:00 -
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They decced us - no idea if they have found anyone yet and tried to shoot them...
The issue is that they can shoot without the 24 hour notice occuring
Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!! |
Brock Nelson
229
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Posted - 2012.01.05 05:10:00 -
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So...how you know that they can shoot you without the 24 hours notice occuring? |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1138
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Posted - 2012.01.05 05:44:00 -
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Brock Nelson wrote:So...how you know that they can shoot you without the 24 hours notice occuring?
^^^^ This.
OP, are you really expecting EVE to have correct documentation on how Anything works? If so, you must be really new here. |
Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
116
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Posted - 2012.01.05 08:38:00 -
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Brock Nelson wrote:So...how you know that they can shoot you without the 24 hours notice occuring? Can Fight = Yes
Or is the game so broken that this flag says that they can fight, when it actual fact they can't???
Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!! |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1138
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Posted - 2012.01.05 08:54:00 -
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Har Harrison wrote:Brock Nelson wrote:So...how you know that they can shoot you without the 24 hours notice occuring? Can Fight = Yes Or is the game so broken that this flag says that they can fight, when it actual fact they can't???
Probably, yeah. Plenty of stuff in the game that says one thing, but acts differently. |
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ShipToaster
91
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Posted - 2012.01.05 09:27:00 -
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Anything except joining a corp within space is allowed according to the big wardec thread. Gosh CCP are so darn nice and CCP Guard is the best of all... |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
323
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Posted - 2012.01.05 09:38:00 -
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CCP doesn't give a rat's ass about highsec war dec mechanics anymore, so if the problem that you say exists actually exists don't expect some kind of solution.
I could be nice and say "I hope they fix it" but it's been 6 years since the mechanics were adjusted so I'm not holding my breath. Notify: You are eaten by the Whumpus
http://goo.gl/uX5vk |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
171
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Posted - 2012.01.05 09:49:00 -
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This is worth a Sisi login. Griefing alliance jumpers sounds like fun. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |
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GM Lelouch
Game Masters C C P Alliance
7
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Posted - 2012.01.05 09:52:00 -
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A corporation/alliance will always have to wait for 24 hours before aggressions can begin at the start of a war, there is no way to bypass this timer, war retraction shenanigans will not actually achieve this.
A corporation will however continue to be involved in a war for 24 hours after leaving a warring alliance. Notifications such as the ones in this thread are sent out in such an event, but they are sadly not very descriptive at all so it is quite easy to mistake them for an exploit while everything is actually in order.
In this particular instance, AAA (corporation) was a member of CCC (alliance), an alliance which was at war with BBB (alliance). AAA left CCC at 2012.01.04 23:43 (the time at which the notifications were sent) and will therefore continue to be at war with any entities CCC was at war with for a period of 24 hours. Note that AAA was already at war with these entities before through their membership of CCC.
Finally, if any of CCC's wars had started less than 24 hours ago, it would mean that AAA would not be at war with them until that stasis period ends. For example, if CCC had declared war on DDD at 2012.01.04 23:00, both CCC and AAA wouldn't be able to fire upon DDD targets until 2012.01.05 23:43. AAA would in other words only be at war for 43 minutes before their involvement ends as they left the CCC alliance the day before. Best regards, Senior GM Lelouch EVE Online Customer Support |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
1948
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Posted - 2012.01.05 10:02:00 -
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LAWYERED!
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1138
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Posted - 2012.01.05 10:16:00 -
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Chribba wrote:LAWYERED!
So GM and CCP posts also notify you, I guess. |
Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
334
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Posted - 2012.01.05 10:27:00 -
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GM Lelouch wrote:A corporation/alliance will always have to wait for 24 hours before aggressions can begin at the start of a war, there is no way to bypass this timer, war retraction shenanigans will not actually achieve this. What about the target of a wardec joining an alliance after the war is active? That causes an instant war between the agressors and the alliance the target joined:
- Corp A declares war on Corp B.
- Corp B applies to alliance C.
- 24 hours pass while the alliance application is processed.
- Corp A is at war with Alliance C the instant the notifications arrive.
What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644 |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1138
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Posted - 2012.01.05 10:29:00 -
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Jack Dant wrote:GM Lelouch wrote:A corporation/alliance will always have to wait for 24 hours before aggressions can begin at the start of a war, there is no way to bypass this timer, war retraction shenanigans will not actually achieve this. What about the target of a wardec joining an alliance after the war is active? That causes an instant war between the agressors and the alliance the target joined: - Corp A declares war on Corp B.
- Corp B applies to alliance C.
- 24 hours pass while the alliance application is processed.
- Corp A is at war with Alliance C the instant the notifications arrive.
The Alliance can see Corp B's incoming wardec, IIRC. |
Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
334
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Posted - 2012.01.05 10:37:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Jack Dant wrote:GM Lelouch wrote:A corporation/alliance will always have to wait for 24 hours before aggressions can begin at the start of a war, there is no way to bypass this timer, war retraction shenanigans will not actually achieve this. What about the target of a wardec joining an alliance after the war is active? That causes an instant war between the agressors and the alliance the target joined: - Corp A declares war on Corp B.
- Corp B applies to alliance C.
- 24 hours pass while the alliance application is processed.
- Corp A is at war with Alliance C the instant the notifications arrive.
The Alliance can see Corp B's incoming wardec, IIRC. Only by explicitly searching for wars (no automated notification). And Corp A has no warning at all. What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644 |
Valei Khurelem
House Khurelem
114
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Posted - 2012.01.05 10:49:00 -
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GM Lelouch wrote:A corporation/alliance will always have to wait for 24 hours before aggressions can begin at the start of a war, there is no way to bypass this timer, war retraction shenanigans will not actually achieve this.
A corporation will however continue to be involved in a war for 24 hours after leaving a warring alliance. Notifications such as the ones in this thread are sent out in such an event, but they are sadly not very descriptive at all so it is quite easy to mistake them for an exploit while everything is actually in order.
In this particular instance, AAA (corporation) was a member of CCC (alliance), an alliance which was at war with BBB (alliance). AAA left CCC at 2012.01.04 23:43 (the time at which the notifications were sent) and will therefore continue to be at war with any entities CCC was at war with for a period of 24 hours. Note that AAA was already at war with these entities before through their membership of CCC.
Finally, if any of CCC's wars had started less than 24 hours ago, it would mean that AAA would not be at war with them until that stasis period ends. For example, if CCC had declared war on DDD at 2012.01.04 23:00, both CCC and AAA wouldn't be able to fire upon DDD targets until 2012.01.05 23:43. AAA would in other words only be at war for 43 minutes before their involvement ends as they left the CCC alliance the day before.
Why haven't you given peaceful corporations the option of blocking war declarations? I want to hear the reasoning from CCP on this and not just gankers who want things to stay the same so they can get easy industrial kills in high sec. |
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1138
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Posted - 2012.01.05 11:08:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote: Why haven't you given peaceful corporations the option of blocking war declarations? I want to hear the reasoning from CCP on this and not just gankers who want things to stay the same so they can get easy industrial kills in high sec.
CCP Has. You just have to pay an 11% Tax and are unable to set up a POS.
The reason player corps can't block war decs are many. 1. Eve embraces nonconsensual PvP 2. If I could turn off wardecs, I'd put an offline POS on Every Single Hisec Moon and sell them at exorbitant prices. (If you need a resource a competitor has, EVE is meant to allow you to take it) 3. Many other reasons.
Full Disclosure: I have never been in a Corp with an offensive wardec active. I have advised some friends on how to war dec another corp in order to take down their POS, but that was after I moved to Null.
EDIT: Actually, staying in station 24/7 is another valid way of blocking wardecs. |
Ancy Denaries
Frontier Venture
132
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Posted - 2012.01.05 11:28:00 -
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I was going to post something really rude and demeaning, but the guy above me put it so succinctly I simply lost the ability to post in a mean tone. So I'll simply go with "What he said!" "Shoot at anything that moves. If it doesn't move, shoot it anyway, it might move later."
"Do not be too positive. The light at the end of the tunnel could be a train." - Franz Kafka |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1138
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Posted - 2012.01.05 11:32:00 -
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Ancy Denaries wrote:I was going to post something really rude and demeaning, but the guy above me put it so succinctly I simply lost the ability to post in a mean tone. So I'll simply go with "What he said!"
Now I should Edit the post to totally reverse my position.
The Edit feature's why I quote so many posts I respond to. |
Xtover
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
46
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Posted - 2012.01.05 11:33:00 -
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Wait we wardecced who? |
Tallian Saotome
Casa Del Wombat
321
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Posted - 2012.01.05 11:48:00 -
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Joining an alliance while wardecced is the best. If your about to join an alliance, you should always try and gather as many tiny little corps wardeccing you as possible, just to laugh while they frantically cancel their decs when they get the massive spam of being decced suddenly to an alliance. o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1138
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Posted - 2012.01.05 14:49:00 -
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Xtover wrote:Wait we wardecced who?
Lonetrek, from what I hear. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4278
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Posted - 2012.01.05 14:59:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Why haven't you given peaceful corporations the option of blocking war declarations? I want to hear the reasoning from CCP on this and not just gankers who want things to stay the same so they can get easy industrial kills in high sec. Because making yourself a target for wardecs means you're also given access to a number of features and functions that comes in direct competition with the activities of other players, and those other players need to have a way to stop you from making use of those features.
You can't take part in the motor race if you don't want to face the risk of driving head-long into a wall at high speed and exploding. It's the cost of doing business. Don't want to pay the cost? Then you don't get to do business. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
2554
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Posted - 2012.01.05 15:07:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:GM Lelouch wrote:A corporation/alliance will always have to wait for 24 hours before aggressions can begin at the start of a war, there is no way to bypass this timer, war retraction shenanigans will not actually achieve this.
A corporation will however continue to be involved in a war for 24 hours after leaving a warring alliance. Notifications such as the ones in this thread are sent out in such an event, but they are sadly not very descriptive at all so it is quite easy to mistake them for an exploit while everything is actually in order.
In this particular instance, AAA (corporation) was a member of CCC (alliance), an alliance which was at war with BBB (alliance). AAA left CCC at 2012.01.04 23:43 (the time at which the notifications were sent) and will therefore continue to be at war with any entities CCC was at war with for a period of 24 hours. Note that AAA was already at war with these entities before through their membership of CCC.
Finally, if any of CCC's wars had started less than 24 hours ago, it would mean that AAA would not be at war with them until that stasis period ends. For example, if CCC had declared war on DDD at 2012.01.04 23:00, both CCC and AAA wouldn't be able to fire upon DDD targets until 2012.01.05 23:43. AAA would in other words only be at war for 43 minutes before their involvement ends as they left the CCC alliance the day before. Why haven't you given peaceful corporations the option of blocking war declarations? I want to hear the reasoning from CCP on this and not just gankers who want things to stay the same so they can get easy industrial kills in high sec.
Why haven't they given Pvpers the option to buy everything at NPC price? I want to hear the reasoning from CCP on this and not just carebears who want things to stay they same so they can get easy industrial profits in high sec. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Jaldard
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.05 15:45:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Valei Khurelem wrote:GM Lelouch wrote:A corporation/alliance will always have to wait for 24 hours before aggressions can begin at the start of a war, there is no way to bypass this timer, war retraction shenanigans will not actually achieve this.
A corporation will however continue to be involved in a war for 24 hours after leaving a warring alliance. Notifications such as the ones in this thread are sent out in such an event, but they are sadly not very descriptive at all so it is quite easy to mistake them for an exploit while everything is actually in order.
In this particular instance, AAA (corporation) was a member of CCC (alliance), an alliance which was at war with BBB (alliance). AAA left CCC at 2012.01.04 23:43 (the time at which the notifications were sent) and will therefore continue to be at war with any entities CCC was at war with for a period of 24 hours. Note that AAA was already at war with these entities before through their membership of CCC.
Finally, if any of CCC's wars had started less than 24 hours ago, it would mean that AAA would not be at war with them until that stasis period ends. For example, if CCC had declared war on DDD at 2012.01.04 23:00, both CCC and AAA wouldn't be able to fire upon DDD targets until 2012.01.05 23:43. AAA would in other words only be at war for 43 minutes before their involvement ends as they left the CCC alliance the day before. Why haven't you given peaceful corporations the option of blocking war declarations? I want to hear the reasoning from CCP on this and not just gankers who want things to stay the same so they can get easy industrial kills in high sec. Why haven't they given Pvpers the option to buy everything at NPC price? I want to hear the reasoning from CCP on this and not just carebears who want things to stay they same so they can get easy industrial profits in high sec. Why haven't they given unicorn ponies the option to dance on rainbows? I want to hear the reasoning from CCP on this and not just awkward analogies from people who want things to stay they same and keep the common sense out of this game.
but seriously, although I can understand the necessity of allowing players to destroy high-sec POS and stuff, war-decs are still a lame and ridiculously wrong solution, not to mention the role-play inconsistencies. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
2555
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Posted - 2012.01.05 15:57:00 -
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Non consensual PvP - whether conducted with guns or over the market screen - is a core tenet of the game.
I'd be the last to disagree that the whole wardec system is horribly broken and needs to be completely reworked, but not at the price of just allowing corps to say "nuh-uh, don't wanna".
As said above, the risk of a wardec goes with the reward of having corp facilities. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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