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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
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Posted - 2012.01.06 12:37:00 -
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When are CCP going to realise that removing TECH II BPO will increasce player numbers? Sure you might get some bitter Vet BPO owners rage quiting and dragging a couple of friends along but surely it's better to lose these players who do not pay to play than seeing hundreds of noobs rage quit after finding out the hard way about invention and how futile it is to compete against certain Tech II BPO's?
CCP Stem the flow of leaving players remove TECH II BPO even if you have to sacrifice some bitter vets who have not financially supported this game since PLEX became avalible. |
Lauren Hellfury
Full Pocket Aggro In Vitro.
267
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Posted - 2012.01.06 12:55:00 -
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Look everyone! A dead horse!!
Pass me a bat? The Full Pocket Aggro blog:-á http://fullpocketaggro.blogspot.com/
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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
170
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Posted - 2012.01.06 12:58:00 -
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MUST BEAT DEAD HORSE
T2 BPOs are irrelevant. They produce a mere fraction of the supply of anything used widely. And items not used widely are irrelevant as their demand is miniscule.
One T2 BPO can only produce on one production line. Yearly profits out of a T2 BPO are comparable to what you can milk out in a month from a much less capital-intensive manufacturing operations using invention. They just don't have the throughput.
If you are getting pushed out of a specific T2 product market due to BPO-using manufacturer, you are in a wrong market building a product that nobody wants to buy in any real quantity.
If you are one of those "I must build everything myself because that way it is free"-crowders, I suggest growing a brain. Your current one seems defective. ISK = stuff. Anything can be bought with ISK. Inability to build something isn't a problem - build something else and trade it for the stuff you can't build (using ISK as means of exchange).
...and if you are one of those who thinks it is unfair that someone can make ISK in the game, let me clue you in: The ISK made with T2 BPOs is peanuts. The real ISK comes from moon goo mining, specifically Technetium and Neodymium. Every T2 manufacturer needs complex reaction products that use these materials. A massive chunk of every T2 item price (BPO or Invented) flows to the owners of these moons.
And you can get these moons. Go attack them and put up your own tower. Just watch out for the pile of Titans and Motherships the current owner might drop on your head if you do so. Wear a hard hat and bring ships. Lots of ships. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
6
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Posted - 2012.01.06 13:00:00 -
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Look everyone a bitter vets rallying to the defence of broken mechanic that favours them. CCP fix eve or let it plunge more. I wonder if the peeps at CCP are willing to give up their jobs over these over powered TECH II BPO's? Just think CCP Devs you might be the next worker to get the boot as player numbers plunge below the 20 K mark. Stem the blood loss now ffs before it's too late and eve fails even more. |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
170
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Posted - 2012.01.06 13:03:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Look everyone a bitter vets rallying to the defence of broken mechanic that favours them. CCP fix eve or let it plunge more. I wonder if the peeps at CCP are willing to give up their jobs over these over powered TECH II BPO's? Just think CCP Devs you might be the next worker to get the boot as player numbers plunge below the 20 K mark. Stem the blood loss now ffs before it's too late and eve fails even more.
T2 BPOs are not overpowered. You are bad at math and incapable of understanding how people actually make (large amounts) of ISK in this game. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
6
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Posted - 2012.01.06 13:11:00 -
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It is quite strange that CCP allows tech II BPO to continue to exist after gifting them free to a select few players. This has alienated the majority of players who were not gifted items for free in a corrupt lottery. CCP is litteraly pumping ISK into the hands of select players while losing out on RL $ as new players refuse to subscribe to a game that gives massive unfair advantages to an older player.
I don't know why CCP commits to this Bizzaro RMT to support players that do not financially contribute to the game and to a system that deters new players from further subscription. Well hopefully CCP will finally do something as the player base online slips below the 20K mark. |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
170
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Posted - 2012.01.06 13:16:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:It is quite strange that CCP allows tech II BPO to continue to exist after gifting them free to a select few players. This has alienated the majority of players who were not gifted items for free in a corrupt lottery. CCP is litteraly pumping ISK into the hands of select players while losing out on RL $ as new players refuse to subscribe to a game that gives massive unfair advantages to an older player.
I don't know why CCP commits to this Bizzaro RMT to support players that do not financially contribute to the game and to a system that deters new players from further subscription. Well hopefully CCP will finally do something as the player base online slips below the 20K mark.
I give up. You are delusional.
(Besides, manufacturing does not generate ISK. It just moves it around - T2 BPOs do not "pump" ISK)
I wouldn't mind if they removed T2 BPOs but I also don't think they matter in the slightest. You underestimate the size of EVE market and overestimate the number of BPOs in active use (and the profit they produce)
Heck, I would love to see some stats from CCP that would actually prove what is commonly known; large number of T2 BPOs out there are gathering dust in some hangar, not being produced with. |
Lucinda Hamu
Hedion University Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.01.06 13:45:00 -
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Id love to see some stats that show noobs leaving due to not have a tech 2 BPO. I suspect the number is a big duck egg. |
Invictra Atreides
Toward the Terra
22
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Posted - 2012.01.06 13:57:00 -
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80% of EVE players probably don't know what Tech II BPOs are! I rly don't think we would get more players if CCP announces to remove those :P |
Velicitia
Open Designs
436
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Posted - 2012.01.06 13:59:00 -
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Jarnis McPieksu wrote: I wouldn't mind if they removed T2 BPOs ...
I would, just for the simple fact I can *just about* afford one of the less interesting ones...
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Jes Visuit
Private Investment Holdings Inc
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Posted - 2012.01.06 14:08:00 -
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Jumping on the dead horse wagon, it would seem to me that a sensible option is simply CCP using an alt to buy the T2 BPOs over time (i.e. subtly and naturally when players want to sell their BPOs, not a giant thread buying every BPO and hyper inflating the price) whenever they come up for sale and then quietly storing them away.
That way the BPO owner gets a 'fair deal' and the BPO problem goes away. In the real world someone in CCP's position would lose out, but being godly devs they can simply magically create the isk required for the purchase, so it's win - win bar the very minor inflation it may cause. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
489
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Posted - 2012.01.06 14:12:00 -
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Invictra Atreides wrote:80% of EVE players probably don't know what Tech II BPOs are! I rly don't think we would get more players if CCP announces to remove those :P Maby a bit less... but many
Quote:Blessed be the ignorant. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
6
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Posted - 2012.01.06 14:15:00 -
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Jes Visuit wrote:Jumping on the dead horse wagon, it would seem to me that a sensible option is simply CCP using an alt to buy the T2 BPOs over time (i.e. subtly and naturally when players want to sell their BPOs, not a giant thread buying every BPO and hyper inflating the price) whenever they come up for sale and then quietly storing them away.
That way the BPO owner gets a 'fair deal' and the BPO problem goes away. In the real world someone in CCP's position would lose out, but being godly devs they can simply magically create the isk required for the purchase, so it's win - win bar the very minor inflation it may cause.
Why should they CCP handed out the TechII BPO's for nothing and so they should just take them back at the same price. THE BPO owners have gotten more than a fair deal by receiving billion isk items for practically nothing. As for those stupid enough to continue buying them, their loss, better to lose 1 player than many. |
Lady Ayeipsia
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Cascade Imminent
15
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Posted - 2012.01.06 14:54:00 -
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As an active industrialist, t2 bpos have no impact on my inventions or construction. I have found t2 warp disruprs, warp scrams, heavy missile launchers, and bombers all to be more than profitable enough for my needs. Even scourge fury and scorch ammo is profitable through invention. I have done the math on other modules and ammo, and there is ample profit to be made.
So sorry, I view t2 bpos as a non entity. They have no impact on my business, so why should i care if the exist or not?
Heck, this is like being upset because you did not get a zephyr or another gift ship. Get over it, find a good niche for your industrial activities and move along. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
6
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Posted - 2012.01.06 14:58:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:As an active industrialist, t2 bpos have no impact on my inventions or construction. I have found t2 warp disruprs, warp scrams, heavy missile launchers, and bombers all to be more than profitable enough for my needs. Even scourge fury and scorch ammo is profitable through invention. I have done the math on other modules and ammo, and there is ample profit to be made.
So sorry, I view t2 bpos as a non entity. They have no impact on my business, so why should i care if the exist or not?
Heck, this is like being upset because you did not get a zephyr or another gift ship. Get over it, find a good niche for your industrial activities and move along.
Well I'm glad you find your niche i was looking to produce some items but found that the very cost of invetion at max skills was going to cost more isk than the market was currently selling at due to an owner of a TECH II BPO who has pretty much been given the right to print ISK by CCP. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
6
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Posted - 2012.01.06 15:03:00 -
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Further more current game mechanics allow other pilot's to access and use your BPO without any risk of it being stolen. This is a pure joke on the part of CCP.
''Here use my item but don't steal it.''
let's do the same for ships and all other items then aswell as the inablility to steal BPO's |
Lady Ayeipsia
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Cascade Imminent
15
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Posted - 2012.01.06 15:40:00 -
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If the niche you want is taken, stop being so stubborn and find a new one. Seriously, if you have this much trouble adapting, and your only action is to complain on the forums, you are not meant to be an industrialist. Change will happen. Heavy missiles could fall out of favor and I'm going to have to find a new niche.
Your niche is already filled. If you already invested isk, sorry. Learn the lesson of researching first. If you haven't invested, stop complaining on the forums and use your energy constructively to find a new profitable item. You could have easily found one by the time you made all these complaining posts.
As for your whole comment on stealing and t2 bpos being protected... Um... Get over it. My well researched bpo collection is also well protected. Corpmates could use them but not steal them. Why is that even an issue? Are you seriously upset because you can't easily rip someone off? If you are that bent on t2 bpos, go try infiltrating a corp that owns one. Otherwise, why not be like most everyone who adapts to the game instead if demanding the game adapts to you? |
Aestivalis Saidrian
SplitPush Mercantiles
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Posted - 2012.01.06 15:42:00 -
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I... what are you on?
The T2 BPOs that are actually used are used by people who can actually use them. Large Alliances. They also just max researched them and now copy them. Copying jobs are much less time intensive then actually using them to make stuff.
If you wanna complain, complain about Invention in general.
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Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp
194
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Posted - 2012.01.06 15:59:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote:As an active industrialist, t2 bpos have no impact on my inventions or construction. I have found t2 warp disruprs, warp scrams, heavy missile launchers, and bombers all to be more than profitable enough for my needs. Even scourge fury and scorch ammo is profitable through invention. I have done the math on other modules and ammo, and there is ample profit to be made.
So sorry, I view t2 bpos as a non entity. They have no impact on my business, so why should i care if the exist or not?
Heck, this is like being upset because you did not get a zephyr or another gift ship. Get over it, find a good niche for your industrial activities and move along. Well I'm glad you find your niche i was looking to produce some items but found that the very cost of invetion at max skills was going to cost more isk than the market was currently selling at due to an owner of a TECH II BPO who has pretty much been given the right to print ISK by CCP.
i invent 1000's of mods monthly and i after very small research have found items that are highly profitible. think its at about 250mil a day ish, depending whats cooking that day. if you can not find something to invent and make isk from you are not looking hard enough. the system of invention works fine, granted there are some items i woudlnt invent due to low profitiblity, but that isnt because of a t2 bpo, its because that item isnt used and dosnt have the demand to support the few idiots that invent it without checking profitibilty. as i say to my kids 'use your noodle before you do anything daft'. they laugh as they get what i mean, i hope you do CCP-áare full of words and no action. We will watch what they are doing, for now
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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
171
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Posted - 2012.01.06 16:10:00 -
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Aestivalis Saidrian wrote:I... what are you on?
The T2 BPOs that are actually used are used by people who can actually use them. Large Alliances. They also just max researched them and now copy them. Copying jobs are much less time intensive then actually using them to make stuff.
If you wanna complain, complain about Invention in general.
You are aware of course that copying T2 BPOs (per license run) takes longer than manufacturing with a T2 BPO (per unit), right?
Additionally, T2 BPO copying takes additional materials. It isn't free like T1 BPO copying.
So anyone who cares about profit isn't going to use them for copying.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
181
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Posted - 2012.01.06 16:23:00 -
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OP is right , everyone is quitting eve because of the T2 bpo's.Just the other day a ffew of my old eve friends told me :'Flakeys it is impossible to play this game and make isk without haveing a T2 bpo , we give up man and so should you'.
I'm doubting if i should quit or not , but while browsing the sell market i noticed T2 bpo sales and felt my heart pumping like mad , if i see this again i am sure i'll have a stroke so i am avoiding the sell forum for now.
OP , you got my sword. |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
309
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Posted - 2012.01.06 16:27:00 -
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Paging Akita T, clean up in aisle 4. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
6
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Posted - 2012.01.06 16:29:00 -
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flakeys wrote:OP is right , everyone is quitting eve because of the T2 bpo's.Just the other day a ffew of my old eve friends told me :'Flakeys it is impossible to play this game and make isk without haveing a T2 bpo , we give up man and so should you'.
I'm doubting if i should quit or not , but while browsing the sell market i noticed T2 bpo sales and felt my heart pumping like mad , if i see this again i am sure i'll have a stroke so i am avoiding the sell forum for now.
OP , you got my sword.
No but it is a negative aspect of EVE that deters people entering the invention, manufacturing market. It's not fair that CCP Derped out by giving overtly expensive items for **** all.
How about a T3 BPO lottery? No as that would be unfair as the T2 one yet the T2 lottery items have yet to be removed. I guess CCP has all the fan boys it needs. 20k players and falling right now. |
Mummas Boy
Domination.
3
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Posted - 2012.01.06 16:42:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Jes Visuit wrote:Jumping on the dead horse wagon, it would seem to me that a sensible option is simply CCP using an alt to buy the T2 BPOs over time (i.e. subtly and naturally when players want to sell their BPOs, not a giant thread buying every BPO and hyper inflating the price) whenever they come up for sale and then quietly storing them away.
That way the BPO owner gets a 'fair deal' and the BPO problem goes away. In the real world someone in CCP's position would lose out, but being godly devs they can simply magically create the isk required for the purchase, so it's win - win bar the very minor inflation it may cause. Why should they CCP handed out the TechII BPO's for nothing and so they should just take them back at the same price. THE BPO owners have gotten more than a fair deal by receiving billion isk items for practically nothing. As for those stupid enough to continue buying them, their loss, better to lose 1 player than many.
You are truly a clueless idiot.
I have never received a "free T2 BPO" but have worked hard, both with low end POS stuff, building and trading and actually bought my first T2 BPO last night.
I am not expecting to make loads of money with it really - much of the reason I have it is for the glee of saying I have one and to add it to my production portfolio.
I have worked damn hard to make the money I have now in Eve, and I have been massively stung with previous nerfs made by CCP (Supercap nerf for example - I have a Nyx BPO bought for 21b which I now cannot sell!).
My advice to you is stop moaning and start working more. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
6
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Posted - 2012.01.06 17:13:00 -
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So we are all agreed that Tech II BPO are a positive aspect of eve?
When does the Tech III lottery start? I myself can not wait for the ''chance'' to win a golden isk egg from CCP. Who's **** at CCP do I need to suck so my chance is greatly increaced in reciving my Tech III BPO? Sucking will be performed at next fan fest just look for the guy with the Tech III BPO sign. |
Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp
194
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Posted - 2012.01.06 17:23:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:So we are all agreed that Tech II BPO are a positive aspect of eve?
When does the Tech III lottery start? I myself can not wait for the ''chance'' to win a golden isk egg from CCP. Who's **** at CCP do I need to suck so my chance is greatly increaced in reciving my Tech III BPO? Sucking will be performed at next fan fest just look for the guy with the Tech III BPO sign.
ill agree that t2 bpo's have little effect on teh t2 ship/item markets and you should suck off who you like. its really none of my business but if you happen to give head to ccp greyscale can you bite it a bit please CCP-áare full of words and no action. We will watch what they are doing, for now
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Keltaris Cesaille
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.01.06 17:31:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:So we are all agreed that Tech II BPO are a positive aspect of eve?
When does the Tech III lottery start? I myself can not wait for the ''chance'' to win a golden isk egg from CCP. Who's **** at CCP do I need to suck so my chance is greatly increaced in reciving my Tech III BPO? Sucking will be performed at next fan fest just look for the guy with the Tech III BPO sign.
If your at fanfest holding that sign ill cave your face in for being such an idiot
Adapt or Die
Space industries are srs business |
Aestivalis Saidrian
SplitPush Mercantiles
17
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Posted - 2012.01.06 17:40:00 -
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Jarnis McPieksu wrote:Aestivalis Saidrian wrote:I... what are you on?
The T2 BPOs that are actually used are used by people who can actually use them. Large Alliances. They also just max researched them and now copy them. Copying jobs are much less time intensive then actually using them to make stuff.
If you wanna complain, complain about Invention in general.
You are aware of course that copying T2 BPOs (per license run) takes longer than manufacturing with a T2 BPO (per unit), right? Additionally, T2 BPO copying takes additional materials. It isn't free like T1 BPO copying. So anyone who cares about profit isn't going to use them for copying.
I did not know that.
Either way, I don't think T2 BPOs are particularly bad, since they more or less guarantee that those modules will remain on the market.
Invent Harder or Don't Bother seems to be the sentiment and I agree. Only reason why people seem to be making a killing off of T2 production is due to the fact that PI prices skyrocketed due to the awful change. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
437
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Posted - 2012.01.06 17:52:00 -
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Mummas Boy wrote: I have worked damn hard to make the money I have now in Eve, and I have been massively stung with previous nerfs made by CCP (Supercap nerf for example - I have a Nyx BPO bought for 21b which I now cannot sell!).
My advice to you is stop moaning and start working more.
i'll give you 100m ISK for it
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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
6
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Posted - 2012.01.06 18:15:00 -
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''If your at fanfest holding that sign ill cave your face in for being such an idiot
Adapt or Die
Space industries are srs business''
and that's a ban?
Not really I'm not bothered but I here Iceland is popular for Chess Boxing maybe we can compete if our weight ties in? |
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