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Califax Oman
Mining Bytes Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.26 20:36:00 -
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I hear alot of people saying that the on-board scanner killed Exploration. People yapping about how hard it is to find unknows, how the isk/hour is not worth it blah blah blah.
I for one, think the on-board scanner is awesome. I spent 2 days, in between drinking and sleeping, grinding those "worthless" unknown sites using only a Hac and my on-board scanner.
300+ mil in isk from bounties 600+ mil isk in Faction POS gear 200+ mil in faction mods (shadow mostly)
I am very happy with the way these sites are turning out. Alot of them are worth about as much as you would get killing rats in the belts. Maybe not the uber triple spawns you see in -1.0 low sec but about the same in a normal system. The difference is that its not in the belts chasing the same rats you always have. The new content and added little touches have really made for some interesting sites. Pretty eye candy FTW.
Its a nice change from ratting in the same old belts and you never really know what your gonna get till its done. Some of the sites I ran had the same name as others but completly different spawns. Killing the last rat only to have 15 more spawn can get the heart racing. Some of these sites just kept giving and giving 1mil+ bounty rats to shoot, was very nice to be able to make isk without warping belt to belt "chaining".
The highlight of these sites and what i don't think many have figured out is that at the END of the site, after all spawns have been triggered and the site is otherwise complete, Eve tosses the dice and if your lucky you get a commander spawn.
These Commander Spawns rule, I have been getting them much much more frequent than I have ratting anywhere in eve. The loot drops seem to be bigger and better too.
All in all I think it is a very nice addition to the hundreds of other ways to make isk in this game. It gives me interesting eye candy, I don't feel like I am running in circles like belt ratting, and I get more faction spawns than any other time in my eve career.
Thank you CCP, Califax Oman
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Vasiliyan
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:20:00 -
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Yes, I love it as well. There seem to be lots of sites in lowsec with interesting stuff. Not had a commander though - what's your experience of the frequency of them?
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Califax Oman
Mining Bytes Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:35:00 -
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I am doing mostly 0.0 sites, and have not triggered a commander spawn in low sec yet. I have had 3 Shadow and 2 Dreads in the sites I have done so far. All dropped either BPC's for faction POS gear or some really really $$ mods.
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:51:00 -
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in what kind of structure are those BPCs? Signature Your signature exceeds the 24000 byte limit on the forums. -Darth Patches |
Gefex
Novastorm Inc Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.27 09:41:00 -
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Whats the best way to find these? Just fly randomly to planets and run a few scans?
I did try just spamming a system with Quests in a Cov Ops, got 4 results at 0m
Went to bookmark them all so I could come back in a combat ship. I warped into one cloaked, got caught on some pretty ghetto looking rock formation, uncloaked, half stuck on the rocks and just made it out in structure.
So i'd say thats not the best plan ;)
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Vasiliyan
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.27 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Gefex Whats the best way to find these? Just fly randomly to planets and run a few scans?
The onboard scanner works equally well on all ships, and only takes 30s, so yes, just fly around and search the system systematically for them. I think like mission deadspaces "warp to Xkm" will actually take you to 0km from the beacon a lot of the time.
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Callthetruth
Caldari Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.06.27 12:08:00 -
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so far ive run high sec ones, rogue drones seem to be very common its a fun op for newbies to be tagged along on , actually got a 400k BC on one site in .5 but mostly they are easily killable frigs and dessies
So what ship are u using is a AF enoguh of should we use BC-HAC,commandship or BS ?
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Autumn River
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Posted - 2007.06.27 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Califax Oman
I spent 2 days, in between drinking and sleeping, grinding those "worthless" unknown sites using only a Hac and my on-board scanner.
300+ mil in isk from bounties 600+ mil isk in Faction POS gear 200+ mil in faction mods (shadow mostly)
So you are saying that in two days you racked up 1,100+ Million isk just running the encounters?
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Gefex
Novastorm Inc Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.27 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Autumn River So you are saying that in two days you racked up 1,100+ Million isk just running the encounters?
While I believe its entirely possible, I am pretty sure there was a LOT of luck involved in that.
Also I have a feeling the commander spawns are not entirely random, i'd imagine there is a daily limit on how many will spawn.
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Fakespace
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Posted - 2007.06.27 13:05:00 -
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Edited by: Fakespace on 27/06/2007 13:07:41 I was one of thouse yapping away at how bad these sites where, but the more i run them the more i agree... Obviously i had a long thread of bad luck when starting doing them, but it has started to even out now.
However, i do think they still need some minor tweeking.
- Personally i have NEVER seen a rat inside worth more the 0.5m in bounty in deep 0.0 (ok, the commander are worth more ofc). So where do you find the 1m ones you brag abouth?.
- I have only seen 2 different drone sites and 2 different pirate sites in the constalation i work in. Had hoped for more different sites (again, could be my bad luck).
- A couple of the sites are bugges (doesnt despawn correctly sometimes, havent fond a common reason thought)
- The respawn rate is WAY to low. A few of us keeps a constallation "dry" withouth even trying.
- These sites DOES make the multispectral exploration drone useless, and therefore makes looking for complexes
VERY time-consuming (as probing wasnt time-consuming enough already)
Finally, i realy hate that i cant see what type of site is before i war into it (both encounters and exploration), especially as drone sites are very common now, and my ship/tank doesnt handle drones to well if tanked agains the local pirate rats (ok, i know, risk vs revard and so on, but geeze, i thought i had a state-of-the-art scanner here)
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Fakespace
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Posted - 2007.06.27 13:08:00 -
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Edited by: Fakespace on 27/06/2007 13:07:00 double - post
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Califax Oman
Mining Bytes Inc. Mass Destruction.
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Posted - 2007.06.27 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Autumn River
Originally by: Califax Oman
I spent 2 days, in between drinking and sleeping, grinding those "worthless" unknown sites using only a Hac and my on-board scanner.
300+ mil in isk from bounties 600+ mil isk in Faction POS gear 200+ mil in faction mods (shadow mostly)
So you are saying that in two days you racked up 1,100+ Million isk just running the encounters?
Yes, that is what I am saying.
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Califax Oman
Mining Bytes Inc. Mass Destruction.
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Posted - 2007.06.27 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Fakespace Edited by: Fakespace on 27/06/2007 13:07:41 I was one of thouse yapping away at how bad these sites where, but the more i run them the more i agree... Obviously i had a long thread of bad luck when starting doing them, but it has started to even out now.
However, i do think they still need some minor tweeking.
- Personally i have NEVER seen a rat inside worth more the 0.5m in bounty in deep 0.0 (ok, the commander are worth more ofc). So where do you find the 1m ones you brag abouth?.
- I have only seen 2 different drone sites and 2 different pirate sites in the constalation i work in. Had hoped for more different sites (again, could be my bad luck).
- A couple of the sites are bugges (doesnt despawn correctly sometimes, havent fond a common reason thought)
- The respawn rate is WAY to low. A few of us keeps a constallation "dry" withouth even trying.
- These sites DOES make the multispectral exploration drone useless, and therefore makes looking for complexes
VERY time-consuming (as probing wasnt time-consuming enough already)
Finally, i realy hate that i cant see what type of site is before i war into it (both encounters and exploration), especially as drone sites are very common now, and my ship/tank doesnt handle drones to well if tanked agains the local pirate rats (ok, i know, risk vs revard and so on, but geeze, i thought i had a state-of-the-art scanner here)
Alot of the rats have been 500k-600k type rats, but when you add up the smallish rats in with them they are worth an ok amount. What you really want to find is one of the encounters that has the big 950k rats, these sites rock. We were adding up the BS's rats as they spawned and several sites had 25+ BS's. I know its not luck cause corp mates are getting the same results.
I would also branch out and cover more area than 1, 5-6 system area. I for example have been covering about 3 regions worth of space. I can't find the link but there was a thread where a Dev posted that the sights are ment to respawn instantly within that type rats space which could be anywhere in a 5-7 region area. I will do some digging and try to find the link agian.
Yes there are bugged sites, they suck too cause i really enjoy a few of them. Most though are working 100% correctly and there are enough of these sites to keep you busy.
Respawn rates have been pretty fast for me. I have cleared systems and on the way back through an hour or two later they are more sites. Just run the scaner anywhere and everywhere you go it takes 30 seconds.
As far as this making exploration sites worthless i would have to disagree. No one liked the unknown sites and most ignored them focusing on the Mag and Radar sites. Now the unknows are worth it.
Finaly there is a way to tell what they site is called before you warp into it, and i know people are gonna be ****ed about me revealing all the sekrits but these sites are awesome and i hope CCP adds more. After finding a site on your onboard scanner, click warp to 0km, stop your ship before going into warp and then open the F10 system map. The name of the plex, or site name will be there.
Hope that helps a bit Fakespace.
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Califax Oman
Mining Bytes Inc. Mass Destruction.
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Posted - 2007.06.27 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Callthetruth so far ive run high sec ones, rogue drones seem to be very common its a fun op for newbies to be tagged along on , actually got a 400k BC on one site in .5 but mostly they are easily killable frigs and dessies
So what ship are u using is a AF enoguh of should we use BC-HAC,commandship or BS ?
AF's will tank better than 90% of ships in the game. Its cheap to fit and alot of fun to fly, but as the rats get bigger you will be spend more and more time and ammo to kill them. I upgraded to the Cerb and have been having a blast soloing them.
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari Lords Of Amber
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Posted - 2007.06.27 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Califax Oman
I hear alot of people saying that the on-board scanner killed Exploration. People yapping about how hard it is to find unknows, how the isk/hour is not worth it blah blah blah.
You have no idea what you're talking about. On-board scanner has nothing to do with exploration.
Additionally, you've just proven another point. People have spent weeks and months doing exploration in 0.0, just to barely reach amount of ISK that you've got in 2 days. Won't even talk about time and money wasted on training skills required for proper exploration.
It's not your fault, though, so don't get me wrong
I don't mind people getting good stuff in encounters at all, but exploration itself is simply not worth it anymore. Not only is it useless at the moment, but CCP also screwed everything up with placing encounters under "Unknown".
Usual CCP logic. "Let's do it quickly, we'll think about consequences later".
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Califax Oman
Mining Bytes Inc. Mass Destruction.
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Posted - 2007.06.27 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: Califax Oman on 27/06/2007 16:39:54 Edited by: Califax Oman on 27/06/2007 16:39:19
Originally by: Sentinel Eeex
Originally by: Califax Oman
I hear alot of people saying that the on-board scanner killed Exploration. People yapping about how hard it is to find unknows, how the isk/hour is not worth it blah blah blah.
You have no idea what you're talking about. On-board scanner has nothing to do with exploration.
Additionally, you've just proven another point. People have spent weeks and months doing exploration in 0.0, just to barely reach amount of ISK that you've got in 2 days. Won't even talk about time and money wasted on training skills required for proper exploration.
It's not your fault, though, so don't get me wrong
I don't mind people getting good stuff in encounters at all, but exploration itself is simply not worth it anymore. Not only is it useless at the moment, but CCP also screwed everything up with placing encounters under "Unknown".
Usual CCP logic. "Let's do it quickly, we'll think about consequences later".
I was one of the people who where out there using exploration. I spent months getting skills, spent isk, time and effort getting into exploration.
Exploration enabled my corp to be able to invent T2 items, ships and rigs. We are the proud owned of every type of interface as well as a massive collection of bits and parts to build the T2 items. We are still very happy with exploration.
If you remeber back when Exploration first came out interface BPC's were going for over 1 billion isk each. The same thing is currently happening with the faction POS gear. As things are un-nerfed prices will fall and the market will adjust. Just look what the invention stuff has done for T2 prices.
I would still be just as happy without the commander spawns because grinding belts suck. These sites are full of eye candy and are worth about the same as belt ratting for the most part.
Not to mention those pesky static plex's are all gone and I actually have a CHANCE at being able to run a 10/10 in my eve career without having to sell my soul to a large alliance.
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Chainsaw Plankton
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Posted - 2007.06.27 17:22:00 -
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Edited by: Chainsaw Plankton on 27/06/2007 17:25:16 i like it i just keep finding dead spaces with nothing in them :(
cant wait to go run 0.0 ones sometime.
i got a highsec commander, dropped a best named warp scram and a dread gurista tag woo?
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.27 18:33:00 -
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you must be rly lucky.. im scanning now for 2 hours and the only thing i have found is a drone hive -.-
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Breki
Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.06.27 19:04:00 -
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i have found a few of these exploration sites and out of like 6 i have gotten 1 true sanshas battleship so far, this looks like more fun than ratting
Originally by: Avon Iceland, where even their singers are in to PvP.
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Bazman
Caldari Werda Fookarwii
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Posted - 2007.06.27 19:20:00 -
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Definately a very good addition to the PVE content of the game. I've done a quite a number of these encounter sites now and though I haven't gotten anything fancy like faction spawns or uber rewards, I haven't come away thinking "god that was a waste of time".
All of the sites have taken me on average an hour to do, the drone encounters drop me about 1,500m¦ worth of alloys while the Guristas ones net me about 30 to 40m worth of bounties, maybe slightly less than belt ratting but for the most part very consistant with the amount of isk you can make from them.
My only gripe is that its now impossible to tell what an Unknown signature is. CCP should remove the useless structure field from the exploration scanning system and add "Anomoly" then class these sites as Anomolies and leave the Escalation complexs as unknowns. -----
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Artemis Dragmire
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Posted - 2007.06.28 01:56:00 -
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This talk of getting faction spawns and 500k rats are all in 0.0 correct?
I've ran a couple empire versions of these complexes and haven't seen a rat worth more than 80k. I've been meaning to try a few lowsec ones... are these decent in lowsec as well as 0.0? Or is it just 0.0 as usual?
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Kellyl
Free Traders
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Posted - 2007.06.28 10:31:00 -
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The point that you have made 1,100 million+ in a week running the encounters, which are meant as an introduction to the scanning system just goes to show it is broken.
You should not be able to make more money with the onboard scanner than you make after having trained for eexploration ( rank 5 and 8 skills to level 3 atleast).
CCP needs to rebalance and redistribute the isk and item rewards to give more to those that have devoted month(s) of training to exploration.
Originally by: HippoKing pretty much all caldari ships ming something terrible
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Le Bon
Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.28 13:22:00 -
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You sir are incredibly lucky ;)
I've done quiet a few of the encounters and a few of the probeable plexes.. not really found much.
Did a probeable plex and a couple of encounters in a -1.0 sec system i know of.. didn't really get much in the way of lewt.
Maybe im just unlucky :D
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Califax Oman
Mining Bytes Inc. Mass Destruction.
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Posted - 2007.06.28 17:31:00 -
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Edited by: Califax Oman on 28/06/2007 17:33:17
Originally by: Le Bon You sir are incredibly lucky ;)
I've done quiet a few of the encounters and a few of the probeable plexes.. not really found much.
Did a probeable plex and a couple of encounters in a -1.0 sec system i know of.. didn't really get much in the way of lewt.
Maybe im just unlucky :D
I will say that I am lucky when it comes to what dropped from the commander spawns. Faction towers are a big ticket item.
But even if you don't count the faction spawns, these sites are still making me about 40+ mil and hour in pure bounties. Which is on par with some of the best belt ratting systems except with these i don't have to warp around.
The site I am linking pics to I did last night. I made 27 mill of it and my buddy made 17mil cause he arrived a bit late. I have no idea what loot dropped but it did not trigger a commander spawn.
Pic 1 Pic 2
Big Ore Rocks
I think they are also still working on the names of these sites. I have done several of these sites with the same name yet are vastly different.
Happy Happy Fun Fun time not ratting in dirty belts
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Slayton Ford
Vindicate and Deliverance ASGARDIAN EMPIRE
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Posted - 2007.06.28 18:48:00 -
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Are you finding these sites in 0.0? I have access to some 0.0 systems (-.6+) w/ low belt counts but decent planet counts. --------------- This sig has been censored in fear of recieving the ban hammer... |
Rangkai
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Posted - 2007.06.28 19:16:00 -
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I've been doing it in 0.1 - 0.2 systems and I enjoy it so far.. especially the commander spawns :)
However, I am really annoyed by some sites that do not de-spawn, and the inability to tell the difference between these sites and the harder exploration sites that require me to drop probes
Sounds like the jump in rewards from 0.1 to 0.0 is pretty big.. I'll have to check it out.
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Califax Oman
Mining Bytes Inc. Mass Destruction.
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Posted - 2007.06.28 20:33:00 -
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Edited by: Califax Oman on 28/06/2007 20:36:43
Originally by: Slayton Ford Are you finding these sites in 0.0? I have access to some 0.0 systems (-.6+) w/ low belt counts but decent planet counts.
Almost all my sites have been in 0.0, but the few I have run in low sec have been ok I guess. Your not going to make millions in low-sec unless you get lucky and hit a commander spawn or escalate the site somewhere else. One the upside... Low sec sites are great work for assault frigs and i love my frigs.
Belt counts don't really matter, more planets the better
Like I was saying in a few of my other post, the more you move around the better off your going to be.
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Califax Oman
Mining Bytes Inc. Mass Destruction.
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Posted - 2007.06.28 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Rangkai I've been doing it in 0.1 - 0.2 systems and I enjoy it so far.. especially the commander spawns :)
However, I am really annoyed by some sites that do not de-spawn, and the inability to tell the difference between these sites and the harder exploration sites that require me to drop probes
Sounds like the jump in rewards from 0.1 to 0.0 is pretty big.. I'll have to check it out.
It sucks when they don't despawn :(
OH! Be very careful saying a site is not despawning or already complete. I found a site that looked like it had been cleared. No rats in sight, very quit and pretty. I flew around taking screen shots for a few mins before I locked the "station" and fired a missile.
All hell broke lose and I was clearing rats for the next hour and a half.
So if you find a site that looks complete, try shooting stuff to make them angry. They might come and fight.
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Ankanos
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.06.29 05:33:00 -
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Originally by: Gefex Whats the best way to find these? Just fly randomly to planets and run a few scans?
I did try just spamming a system with Quests in a Cov Ops, got 4 results at 0m
Went to bookmark them all so I could come back in a combat ship. I warped into one cloaked, got caught on some pretty ghetto looking rock formation, uncloaked, half stuck on the rocks and just made it out in structure.
So i'd say thats not the best plan ;)
my new exploration rule concerning the new on-board scanner is this: (biased for hi-sec scanning)
if your going to search for sites using the on-board scanner, then commit to it fully and unilaterally, -search for sites using only the on-board scanner.
SO... this means you fly around in the ship you have setup for exploration/encounter combat only. -leave your Covert-op ship home, relax and have fun. (but watch local)
anyway, these low risk sites *should* be following standard exploration site rules, ie: a site will be located no further than 5au away from a moon.
SO..
The fastest way i've found to use it is to set your overview to show moons, then sort'em by distance. -then systematically go down the list flying to the first moon in each group of moons that are the same distance away and do a scan.
you can also open the F10 solar system map and note which planets look very close together and try and pick a moon that will give you the most coverage within 5au per scan. -using the tactical overlay is very helpful when scanning this way. -a lazyer way would be to just use the bottom F11 map in a similar way.
now, before all the trolling flame monkeys lambaste me, -DO NOT FLY TO MOONS IN LOW SEC/0.0 SPACE!
-it's a sure fire way to get wasted by a POS's gun battery, -should there be one at the moon you fly to.
I'm not sure if *low sec* POS's are allowed to open fire on non-corp or War combatants, but they most definitely will 99% of the time in 0.0 space.
so in this case, i fly to planets only. -selecting planets that are very close to each other etc.
lastly, i also add control towers to my overview so i can get a heads up from a directional scan as to the likely hood of any POS's nearby. this will let you go to a key moon positioned that allows the scanning of moon groups from 2 or more planets etc.
ok, it's late i'm off to see the sandman.. hope this helps.
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Mei Han
Gallente Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.29 06:12:00 -
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Edited by: Mei Han on 29/06/2007 06:13:43 I have done my first exploratio site yesterday. I have started looking for the site with the old-fasioned prob way. The Multispectral probe shown an unknown signature. I have started scaning with Quest probes each planet until i found the signature.
The strange thing was that i located exactly the location with a Quest probe and i do not have scaning skills besides the basics. I flew there and found a drone wreck and many drones with descent alloys for loot as well as salvage.
My question is.
1.Can anyone use a multispectral to see if there are the new and old sites or the fly-to-the-moon and use the onboard scaner is the only way?
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