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Murina
Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.02 21:16:00 -
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Seems to me that a gang of alliances that can easily field a 200 strong gang BUT who tacticaly run away from MC (wow you guys lost a lot of cap ships on that little tab) just to return and try to blob out the new residence realy have no real right or should feel any pride in there conquests. Or at least no more than the ppl who now sit in the stations they say they tacticaly ran away from.
Pure offensive corps will always and especialy over the last few weeks after the patch will always have the edge over the defenders because of the simple fact that the offensive guys dictate the times of most of the engagments.
But to bang on and on about taking out t1ts and how we new north wont last is short sighted. If it comes down to a blob vs blob war over and over with you making a stratigical withdrawal every time MC is seen in the area eventualy us new north will just bring enough peeps to either match you or out blob you either way its new north FTW.
Blob tactics aint nice and we can both use em, but when it comes down to takin outposts there are none better than MC.
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Wylker
Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.02 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Wylker Edited by: Wylker on 02/07/2007 21:07:33 Lets say for a second that T.i.t.s. DID in fact hire outbreak. We'll say they hired them for 100 billion isk.
Now, why do you say they can't stand on their own? Being able to afford mercs to protect your space IS standing on your own. Just because you use hired guns to do it doesn't mean you're not still holding it. You may have some egotistical hardon for doing it yourself, but that doesn't make anyone else's methods wrong.
Hell, every professional army in the world gets paid. Many governments use mercenaries. Not using available resources to win a fight because your e-peen gets in the way is stupid.
If T.I.T.S. did hire 0utbreak or BE, I'd be demanding my money back. Didn't they just lose their last station?
This all supposedly went down after the stations were essentially lost anyway.
-Wylker
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Zak Kingsman
A.W.M Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.07.02 21:56:00 -
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Besides Merc corps arent miracle workers, they know how to kill and do it well but if you dont have a strategy to use them then thats your problem. If all you say is go kill some guys thats what they'll do. If you try to tell a merc corp to go suicide against a blob w/out some major isk and support you can expect them to go "say what? **** off."
You hear MC say all the time to hire us you need a plan of some sort. Of course they've now shown that they can effectively plan a campaign of their own, but very few merc CORPS are going to be able to match the kind of resources that MC can bring to bear.
So I dont think BE or 0utbreak failed anyone. The employers failed to realize they needed help in time and/or failed to effectively use their help.
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Freaky Bare
Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.02 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Wylker Edited by: Wylker on 02/07/2007 21:07:33 Lets say for a second that T.i.t.s. DID in fact hire outbreak. We'll say they hired them for 100 billion isk.
Now, why do you say they can't stand on their own? Being able to afford mercs to protect your space IS standing on your own. Just because you use hired guns to do it doesn't mean you're not still holding it. You may have some egotistical hardon for doing it yourself, but that doesn't make anyone else's methods wrong.
Hell, every professional army in the world gets paid. Many governments use mercenaries. Not using available resources to win a fight because your e-peen gets in the way is stupid.
If T.I.T.S. did hire 0utbreak or BE, I'd be demanding my money back. Didn't they just lose their last station?
BE did exactly what they seem to have signed on to do. They prevented assistance from Vale of the Silent and possibly slowed down assistance from Tribute.
Wilker - financing wins wars but it will never get you respect on CAOD. (okay - that sounds funny even to me) Being able to finance a war is not the same as being able to fight one. There are very rich countries in this world who rely on other countries to defend them when they get attacked. No one thinks the rich country deserves respect. They are just rich.
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Freaky Bare
Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.02 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Murina Seems to me that a gang of alliances that can easily field a 200 strong gang BUT who tacticaly run away from MC (wow you guys lost a lot of cap ships on that little tab) just to return and try to blob out the new residence realy have no real right or should feel any pride in there conquests. Or at least no more than the ppl who now sit in the stations they say they tacticaly ran away from.
Pure offensive corps will always and especialy over the last few weeks after the patch will always have the edge over the defenders because of the simple fact that the offensive guys dictate the times of most of the engagments.
But to bang on and on about taking out t1ts and how we new north wont last is short sighted. If it comes down to a blob vs blob war over and over with you making a stratigical withdrawal every time MC is seen in the area eventualy us new north will just bring enough peeps to either match you or out blob you either way its new north FTW.
Blob tactics aint nice and we can both use em, but when it comes down to takin outposts there are none better than MC.
What I have been hearing Razor say is that they were not defeated and they did not give up. I did not hear them claim they defeated MC tactically or strategically. The mocking I have seen from them is mostly 'wait - arent we dead?'
Razor fought until the enemy left and deserve respect for that. The 'New North' is seen to have been given their territory by a much more powerful ally. YOU ARE GOING TO BE PICKED ON ABOUT THAT. This does not make you wrong, cheap, or weak. It just gives free ammunition to anyone who wants it.
If MC comes back you may be right - you may keep your territory. At least until they leave or they have destroyed all your enemies for you. Personally, and that means only for Freaky Bare, I would not brag about that.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.07.02 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Murina
But to bang on and on about taking out t1ts and how we new north wont last is short sighted. If it comes down to a blob vs blob war over and over with you making a stratigical withdrawal every time MC is seen in the area eventualy us new north will just bring enough peeps to either match you or out blob you either way its new north FTW.
Blob tactics aint nice and we can both use em, but when it comes down to takin outposts there are none better than MC.
What...I am not part of that war anymore, but it was NOT T1TS that defeated the north. The hostility, towards them is born of many other threads where they try to take credit for others actions.
I may be -10 to RZR, and they killed me quite recently, but I am very happy for their success in the north with their allies. Koth and Fred0 are doing a great job up there, it seems without MC support, the northern Pets are very poorly organized
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Krugerrand
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.07.03 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Barra Cheveyo
Originally by: Krugerrand we can't just be helping those corps?
If you're choosing targets randomly then you're like a bad slot machine for 'Alliance' enemies. Just before your trip to the north you were shooting at TCF in the south.
While you might be limited to a eve with two sides, doesn't mean we are.
We go where the fights will be good and fun and where our members will enjoy ourselves. Often our targets help to pick themselves (some smacktalk thrown our way etc). At the end of the day, we have many veteran players who have joined Outbreak as the last corp they will likely join before they leave the game, if it stops being fun, they will leave.
We have members from all sides of Eve, even ex-CELES, and all our members have different views and opinions on corps and alliances in this game.
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Roger Arko
Geddonites
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Posted - 2007.07.03 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Freaky Bare
BE did exactly what they seem to have signed on to do. They prevented assistance from Vale of the Silent and possibly slowed down assistance from Tribute.
So you trying to say 20-30 BE pilots have stopped the 4000-5000 of Vale / Tribute inhabitants?.. I think it's about a time to change the thread title...
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Freaky Bare
Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.03 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Roger Arko
Originally by: Freaky Bare
BE did exactly what they seem to have signed on to do. They prevented assistance from Vale of the Silent and possibly slowed down assistance from Tribute.
So you trying to say 20-30 BE pilots have stopped the 4000-5000 of Vale / Tribute inhabitants?.. I think it's about a time to change the thread title...
During a period of relative quiet BE prevented all minor support. No major fleets were called up - at least during my limited online time.
So what I am saying is 5-6 pilots of the 10-20 BE pilots can completely stop any non-overwhelming force from almost any alliance in this game. When overwhelmed they simply melt away and in any other circumstance they will win with minimal or no losses. If I am supposed to be ashamed of being out-classed by them in small gang situations ... sorry. We can put an entire 20 man fleet against one of them and the BE pilot will have the more valuable setup. Add to that their skills and experience? Unless you cherry-pick your gang and setup ships exclusively for them and fly very expensive .... you know what? just ask 'em to come visit. I have more respect for BE pilots than anyone else in this game. I hate them, don't get me wrong on that!
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Freyya
Axe Gang
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Posted - 2007.07.03 10:44:00 -
[100]
FREE TEH SQUID!
Ohh balls..i'm not in 0utbreak oh well...i always wanted to say that
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Garek
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.07.03 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Krugerrand
Originally by: Barra Cheveyo
Originally by: Krugerrand we can't just be helping those corps?
If you're choosing targets randomly then you're like a bad slot machine for 'Alliance' enemies. Just before your trip to the north you were shooting at TCF in the south.
While you might be limited to a eve with two sides, doesn't mean we are.
We go where the fights will be good and fun and where our members will enjoy ourselves. Often our targets help to pick themselves (some smacktalk thrown our way etc). At the end of the day, we have many veteran players who have joined Outbreak as the last corp they will likely join before they leave the game, if it stops being fun, they will leave.
We have members from all sides of Eve, even ex-CELES, and all our members have different views and opinions on corps and alliances in this game.
there you go.
Even if they fighted us we +- knew it wasn't under 'pet' control. They were just looking for fun. They came to us because we were in curse @ that moment. We went down to 77 etc etc and they left the east to go north to have more fun.
Enjoy it OB! Cya soon! ----------------------------------------------
Nothing... |
Murina
Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.03 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Murina
But to bang on and on about taking out t1ts and how we new north wont last is short sighted. If it comes down to a blob vs blob war over and over with you making a stratigical withdrawal every time MC is seen in the area eventualy us new north will just bring enough peeps to either match you or out blob you either way its new north FTW.
Blob tactics aint nice and we can both use em, but when it comes down to takin outposts there are none better than MC.
What...I am not part of that war anymore, but it was NOT T1TS that defeated the north. The hostility, towards them is born of many other threads where they try to take credit for others actions.
I may be -10 to RZR, and they killed me quite recently, but I am very happy for their success in the north with their allies. Koth and Fred0 are doing a great job up there, it seems without MC support, the northern Pets are very poorly organized
I cannot say i shed many tears or even fought with my normal vigor for t1ts space. With them only bringing limited numbers to the fight and owning 4 outposts with realy no chance to defend them against a single alliance let alone several i just sorta did'nt care.
I mean getting a shout by a t1ts player over the northern intel channel that 20BS were in there system and they needed help???. Perhaps the guy who wrote in intel that an alliance that cannot deal with 20bs did'nt realy deserve to hold 4 outposts could of been more diplomatic about it but hey its not like many actualy disagreed with him.
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darth solo
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.07.03 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: SwindonBadger please fill in the form for hiring 0utbreak .
how much will outbreak take for sheering my sheeps?.
d solo.
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Backdoor Bandit
Minmatar Gay Rights League
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Posted - 2007.07.03 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
Originally by: SwindonBadger please fill in the form for hiring 0utbreak .
how much will outbreak take for sheering my sheeps?.
d solo.
I'll shear your sheep for free, Darth-Baby.
Unless 'Shear my sheeps' is not a euphamism, In which case I'll send Welsh. -----------
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.07.03 15:00:00 -
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If u can get kinsy to put *not as good as swins badger* in his sig ill see how much I can badger the boss for u :) ps its summer already so if they aint sheered already exspect sweaty woolies
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Khan Singh
Power systems
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Posted - 2007.07.03 21:19:00 -
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I prefer the north in the ôWild Westö mode. It was boring to live in ôNAPvilleö. I suspect that BOB will keep the north in perpetual state of disorganization That wonÆt be difficult since some of former powerhouses canÆt organize a decent gate camp. Bob Pets tend to just run around hunting former landlords that hide in NPC stations. Bitterness and denial are more abundant than roids since the home team lost so badly.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.03 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Khan Singh I prefer the north in the ôWild Westö mode. It was boring to live in ôNAPvilleö. I suspect that BOB will keep the north in perpetual state of disorganization That wonÆt be difficult since some of former powerhouses canÆt organize a decent gate camp. Bob Pets tend to just run around hunting former landlords that hide in NPC stations. Bitterness and denial are more abundant than roids since the home team lost so badly.
Which world do you live in? As far as I can tell, T.I.T.S. (a BoB newbie to the north) has just been flattened by RAZOR and allies (the old north), while Triumvirate (who have been a power in the north as long as anyone) seems to be coming off pretty well against Vigilante Infinitas (another BoB new northerner).
I don't really see many of the Pets "hunting former landlords who hide in stations" to be honest. Looks like a good old fashioned rumble to me, now that MC's overpowering presence has eased off. --------
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.07.04 01:02:00 -
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^^ Yep Terror in the System got pushed out by RZR MM and friends quite effectively.
Former landlords are NOT hiding in stations They are blobbing up the place quite nicely.
Tri are still a force to be reckoned with, and so are Fatal, but by their own words, their heart is not in this battle.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.07.04 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Khan Singh I prefer the north in the ôWild Westö mode. It was boring to live in ôNAPvilleö. I suspect that BOB will keep the north in perpetual state of disorganization That wonÆt be difficult since some of former powerhouses canÆt organize a decent gate camp. Bob Pets tend to just run around hunting former landlords that hide in NPC stations. Bitterness and denial are more abundant than roids since the home team lost so badly.
Which world do you live in? As far as I can tell, T.I.T.S. (a BoB newbie to the north) has just been flattened by RAZOR and allies (the old north), while Triumvirate (who have been a power in the north as long as anyone) seems to be coming off pretty well against Vigilante Infinitas (another BoB new northerner).
I don't really see many of the Pets "hunting former landlords who hide in stations" to be honest. Looks like a good old fashioned rumble to me, now that MC's overpowering presence has eased off.
What is TRI up to anyhow? I've noticed they have Ya0, but they haven't really said anything on CAOD about what's going on. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic |
John McCloud
The Blackwater Brigade
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Posted - 2007.07.04 01:55:00 -
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TRI have made an "eviction notice" against the BOB pets installed in Deklein. They are having a nice little BBQ on their expense atm:D
Tbh, the new north seem to have proven themselves to be pretty helpless without MC to lead them. But who knows, they might pull a crazy ivan?
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XxAngelxX
Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.04 02:46:00 -
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TRI will make a statement when we feel what we set out to do is accomplished. Which...if in all honesty has been, as 2 days ago I rescued my spare covops cloak from the ya0 station. But we'll see. We've had a couple of good fights but timezone differences are making our skirmish particularly boring and worse, POS orientated. --------------------------------------
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Shin Ra
Origin Unknown.
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Posted - 2007.07.04 02:51:00 -
[112]
Originally by: XxAngelxX 2 days ago I rescued my spare covops cloak from the ya0 station.
That was the plan all along, eh?
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XxAngelxX
Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.04 02:56:00 -
[113]
Well we were bored, and wanted to hit some space, and no one had any better ideas and it is 20mill and all.. --------------------------------------
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Mei Han
Gallente Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.04 03:57:00 -
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Quote: Seems to me that a gang of alliances that can easily field a 200 strong gang BUT who tacticaly run away from MC (wow you guys lost a lot of cap ships on that little tab) just to return and try to blob out the new residence realy have no real right or should feel any pride in there conquests. Or at least no more than the ppl who now sit in the stations they say they tacticaly ran away from.
50 Battleships are called a blob, 2 Motherships are called "Cap fleet"
People have to understand that when you have to face a cap fleet bigger than yours you have to gather many more little ships. Its pretty much the natural order of things. If you want to whine, go whine to CCP that a singe BS cannot kill a MS and there must be many more BSs for each MS and that leads to Blobs
Also.. we outblobed "teats" alliance only for 2 days.. yes 2 days! All other hours besides our OP ours and while we roamed they where nowhere to be seen no even as 10 or 20 man force. So we prety much blobed Poses.
As your message is conserned, you do wonder as i can understand why we didn't stay to be overuned by MC? Well that would be obviously silly and as someone else said "We left our poses because we had some other intel ".
I am not in possition to know much but i know that MC can bring it on anytime for the fun of both. And everyone will pay tribute to thier performance and everyone will aknowledge thier deeds. But nobody will aknowledge the parasitic alliances that will come to feed on MC's leftovers.
The only alliances that reside the north atm and had the power to do it by themselfs are Tri and MC (and maybe M.Pire) as i am concerned.
Finaly i would like everyone else in the "New North FTW" to make a Video for future referance and moral boosting, because even in we are not here in the future, someone else will be with the skills to reside in 0.0 .
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6Bagheera9
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.04 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: XxAngelxX TRI will make a statement when we feel what we set out to do is accomplished. Which...if in all honesty has been, as 2 days ago I rescued my spare covops cloak from the ya0 station. But we'll see. We've had a couple of good fights but timezone differences are making our skirmish particularly boring and worse, POS orientated.
I'd like to say that we aren't entirely happy with how the timezone differences have been shaping the war either. I don't think anyone enjoys sieging a POS or repping it once it comes out of renforced. We'll keep doing it because its necessary, but I'd really prefer to settle things on a more personal level.
As an FYI to those not directly involved: About a week into Tri's campaign, VX inexplicably caved in and effectively disbanded. Tri and VX then set each other to blue and VX began to pull out of YAO and VFK. However, not all VX corps were not happy with this decision and choose to continue the fight; joining other "New North" alliances. Naturally, VX's now former allies were quite upset with this and set standings to VX as hostile. Aftermath, ESA, Sparta, and others then rallied and have been besieging VFK for the past week or so. That is about all I feel comfortable saying at this time. My larger impression of recent events is that the north has degenerated from a NAPfest into a warring states type scenario with no single power being yet capable of asserting hegemony. Personally I think this collapse of civilized relations between alliances is a great improvement and suspect that we can all look forward to more mindless mayhem, unspeakable barbarism, and above all else - senseless boat violence for quite some time to come.
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Syath
Caldari Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.07.04 07:06:00 -
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seriously can we have the fight for the new world already i mean come on... when are we gonna see war engulf the drone regions.
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Torm Ilmater
No Quarter. Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.07.04 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Syath seriously can we have the fight for the new world already i mean come on... when are we gonna see war engulf the drone regions.
When the drone regions are worth fighting for. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie |
Minigin
Ganja Labs
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Posted - 2007.07.04 12:08:00 -
[118]
Originally by: XxAngelxX Well we were bored, and wanted to hit some space, and no one had any better ideas and it is 20mill and all..
i <3 you angel... run away with me?
MINIGIN! now posting in "limegreen"
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cheru
Starlancers Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2007.07.04 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: 6Bagheera9 ... Personally I think this collapse of civilized relations between alliances is a great improvement and suspect that we can all look forward to more mindless mayhem, unspeakable barbarism, and above all else - senseless boat violence for quite some time to come.
This. It is just awesome how "eat or be eaten" ze North is atm. Ganking an Ishtar and beeing ganked one jump over by a CNR, that's Eve "the PvP game" at its finest. :)
Agree with the poster above that from the New North only M.Pire could be capable of holding its space on its own (mainly due to having the best/most solid allies and experience in the Sov. game because of their age and history).
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Sextus Licinius
Caldari Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.04 16:30:00 -
[120]
North is nice, the strong will get stronger, the weak will get weaker.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" |
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