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Noxious IV
Militaris 1 Shot 1 Kill
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Posted - 2007.06.30 13:27:00 -
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Am about to jump in a vagabond for the first time. I have read countless threads on setups. However i am constantly reminded that vagabonds are only REALLY good with correct technique when flying!
So my question is this ... what are these techniques. I mean its obvious to stay outta web rannge but what else? There is only so much "practise" on sisi you can do!
Any help would be much appreciated! ?Thanks \/ (Yarrr)
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MaDeX
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Posted - 2007.06.30 14:01:00 -
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Sure, just dont die, and you will be fine!
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LMAAAOOOO
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Posted - 2007.06.30 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: MaDeX Sure, just dont die, and you will be fine!
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Khadur
Minmatar Spontaneous Defenestration
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Posted - 2007.06.30 14:10:00 -
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Get some faction disruptor and maybe a falloff rig
Orbit at 19km
Stay at range 25km
Done.. kindy
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Dead Manne
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Posted - 2007.06.30 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Khadur Get some faction disruptor and maybe a falloff rig
Orbit at 19km
Stay at range 25km
Done.. kindy
Why should he fly so far when web range is usually just 10km?
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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising
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Posted - 2007.06.30 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Dead Manne Why should he fly so far when web range is usually just 10km?
To stay out of heavy nos range. NOS is at least a big a danger as webs.
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Dead Manne
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Posted - 2007.06.30 15:43:00 -
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Edited by: Dead Manne on 30/06/2007 15:42:23
Originally by: Elmicker
Originally by: Dead Manne Why should he fly so far when web range is usually just 10km?
To stay out of heavy nos range. NOS is at least a big a danger as webs.
Oh I see now :) I forgotted the nosses.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.06.30 15:43:00 -
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To fill in the gap that people may miss - run from short range inty's.
I know people say vaga's are one of the best inty killers but if a short range one snags you in a web, unless you have a NOS you're going down and theres nothing you can do about it.
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Jacko21
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.06.30 15:45:00 -
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I cannot believe Ryysa has not posted in this thread yet.
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.30 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Morreia To fill in the gap that people may miss - run from short range inty's if you are a complete idiot.
I know people say vaga's are one of the best inty killers but if a short range one snags you in a web, unless you have a NOS, drones or any kind of piloting skill at all you're going down and theres nothing you can do about it.
Fixed it for you.
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Jacko21
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.06.30 15:49:00 -
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Aww there he is I feel better he has contributed to this thread always a good read.
Jacko
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.06.30 15:50:00 -
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And then you meet a short range crow who is faster than you and your drones, can web you and you can't hit them.
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.30 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Morreia And then you meet a short range crow who is faster than you and your drones, can web you and you can't hit them.
Even if he is faster, if you see an inty going for you, you just mwd in the opposite direction, activate your guns, and wait for the pop.
A vagabond is as fast as most inties. No closerange inty is ridiculously faster than a vagabond, since no one in their sane mind uses uber snake sets etc on a closerange ship, since he would lose them all the time.
Not to mention the fact, that if you have nos (and why wouldn't you?) you can just laugh. I suggest you get some more experience flying the ship.
Originally by: Jacko21 Aww there he is I feel better he has contributed to this thread always a good read.
Jacko
I guess you really don't like me :P
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.06.30 15:54:00 -
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I have plenty of experience flying the ship, I also have a nicely pimped crow which can down vaga's like there's no tomorrow.
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.30 15:55:00 -
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Edited by: Ryysa on 30/06/2007 15:54:31
Originally by: Morreia I have plenty of experience flying the ship, I also have a nicely pimped crow which can down vaga's like there's no tomorrow.
Would you care to 1v1 with your crow against my vaga, not on the test server? I could use some faction loot.
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Thor Xian
EarthForce E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.30 15:58:00 -
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Isnt the Vaga one of the few sub BSes that heavy nos doesnt hurt that much?
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Calarn
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.30 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Morreia I have plenty of experience flying the ship, I also have a nicely pimped crow which can down vaga's like there's no tomorrow.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.06.30 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa Edited by: Ryysa on 30/06/2007 15:54:31
Originally by: Morreia I have plenty of experience flying the ship, I also have a nicely pimped crow which can down vaga's like there's no tomorrow.
Would you care to 1v1 with your crow against my vaga, not on the test server? I could use some faction loot.
Soz, can't get onto game atm.
If you do find a close range crow which is considerably faster than you and you haven't dished out the money for a good NOS then the only option is to run, I'm sorry but there are no 2 ways about it, it will be ontop of you before you've reacted if it jumps you, it will have a web on you and it will be pounding you against your lowest resist.
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Morreia Soz, can't get onto game atm.
Nice excuse, I think that you must have smoked a lot of ***** if you think a crow "can down vaga's like there's no tomorrow". No it can't, period.
Quote: If you do find a close range crow which is considerably faster than you and you haven't dished out the money for a good NOS then the only option is to run,
Last I checked, a t2 medium nos had an effective range of 12km and cost about 1m?
Quote: I'm sorry but there are no 2 ways about it, it will be ontop of you before you've reacted if it jumps you, it will have a web on you and it will be pounding you against your lowest resist.
Oooh, so 100 dps is 'pounding" now. Just fyi, a dual LSE II vagabond can tank a crow for a veeeery long time. Not to mention, that the crow can not maintain a fast enough orbit WITHIN web range to be faster than decently skilled t2 warrior drones.
Either way, you're talking a load of BS right now.
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Ifni
Applied Eugenics
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:10:00 -
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Last time I tackled a Vagabond in a close range inty, it got three wreckings on me in about 10 seconds, and instapopped me.
Nerf tbh.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Originally by: Morreia Soz, can't get onto game atm.
Nice excuse, I think that you must have smoked a lot of ***** if you think a crow "can down vaga's like there's no tomorrow". No it can't, period.
If you carry a storage device around with you so you can stick a copy of EVE on any computer you happen to use then you my friend are a very, very sad person.
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Quote: If you do find a close range crow which is considerably faster than you and you haven't dished out the money for a good NOS then the only option is to run,
Last I checked, a t2 medium nos had an effective range of 12km and cost about 1m?
And 13km webbers cost hardly anything as well.
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Quote: I'm sorry but there are no 2 ways about it, it will be ontop of you before you've reacted if it jumps you, it will have a web on you and it will be pounding you against your lowest resist.
Oooh, so 100 dps is 'pounding" now. Just fyi, a dual LSE II vagabond can tank a crow for a veeeery long time.
Wow, just over a minute with maxed skills is such a very very long time
Quote: Not to mention, that the crow can not maintain a fast enough orbit WITHIN web range to be faster than decently skilled t2 warrior drones.
But it can.
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Khadur
Minmatar Spontaneous Defenestration
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Elmicker
Originally by: Dead Manne Why should he fly so far when web range is usually just 10km?
To stay out of heavy nos range. NOS is at least a big a danger as webs.
Yeah that was "kinda". I have a shadow serpentis warp disruptor (26km range) and i have range of 26km on my guns (220mm t2 with barrage) you'll just have to move to 25kmish if you notice your cap is gone
PS spelling ftl
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Juha85
Beasts of Burden YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:15:00 -
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You guys must go have a 1vs1. Also fraps it. ---------------------------------------
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Khadur
Minmatar Spontaneous Defenestration
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Thor Xian Isnt the Vaga one of the few sub BSes that heavy nos doesnt hurt that much?
Passive Shields...check No cap weapons...check High speed, even without MWD...check
If Im wrong, thats cool, I will probably never actually fly one.
If the battleship has nos, 24km disruptor and a decent mwd, your almost dead if you don't react fast, i hate dominix =..(
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Morreia If you carry a storage device around with you so you can stick a copy of EVE on any computer you happen to use then you my friend are a very, very sad person.
Cute, a personal flame. Especially the funny part is, that you are flaming me for possibly having eve installed on multiple computers on the EVE FORUM! You sir are a moron, diaf.
Quote: And 13km webbers cost hardly anything as well.
As if you are going to maintain perfect orbit range, yeah right :) And 14km webber costs a lot more than 15km nos.
Quote: Wow, just over a minute with maxed skills is such a very very long time
Shall I do a calculation on how much damage the vagabond will do to you in that time? You do realize that out of all hits 1% are wrecking hits. No, not out of all hits that HIT, but OUT OF ALL HITS. Also, it will take more than a minute, a lot more. Crow does 81 dps with rage rockets and max skills. Vagabond has 8628.75 shield out of gang after just 2x lse II's. and 40% resist to kinetic. That means it would take the crow about 3 minutes to kill the vagabond IF it did not regenerate shield at all. The peak shield recharge of the vagabond is about 22 hp/s, considering it has 40% resist it's about 31hp/s vs kinetic. Basically you will need about 5 minutes+ to kill the vagabond.
Vagabond rof with dual 180 II's is about 2s with max skills/2x gyro II's. in 3 minutes you will receive about 450 hits. That means on average, it will be 4 wrecking shots there. In 5 minutes, you will receive 7 wrecking shots.
I still think you are smoking too much *****.
Quote: But it can.
Proof or STFU, and if crow has 14km+ web, then vagabond has 15km+ nos.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:46:00 -
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I'm geussing though that this guy isn't going to spend that much money on his vagabond so put it this way... if HE in HIS vagabond meets ME in MY crow, he's going down.
You personal flame as much as I do and EVE-O forums ain't exactly hard to acess on any computer, I don't carry EVE around with me though.
My crow does more than 81 dps.
And 3 or 4 wrecking shots... oh noes.
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GO MaZ
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.06.30 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Morreia I'm geussing though that this guy isn't going to spend that much money on his vagabond so put it this way... if HE in HIS vagabond meets ME in MY crow, he's going down.
You personal flame as much as I do and EVE-O forums ain't exactly hard to acess on any computer, I don't carry EVE around with me though.
My crow does more than 81 dps.
And 3 or 4 wrecking shots... oh noes.
You sir... are a moron.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.06.30 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: GO MaZ
Originally by: Morreia I'm geussing though that this guy isn't going to spend that much money on his vagabond so put it this way... if HE in HIS vagabond meets ME in MY crow, he's going down.
You personal flame as much as I do and EVE-O forums ain't exactly hard to acess on any computer, I don't carry EVE around with me though.
My crow does more than 81 dps.
And 3 or 4 wrecking shots... oh noes.
You sir... are a moron.
And you sir are both a moron and a troll.
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.06.30 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Morreia
Originally by: GO MaZ
Originally by: Morreia I'm geussing though that this guy isn't going to spend that much money on his vagabond so put it this way... if HE in HIS vagabond meets ME in MY crow, he's going down.
You personal flame as much as I do and EVE-O forums ain't exactly hard to acess on any computer, I don't carry EVE around with me though.
My crow does more than 81 dps.
And 3 or 4 wrecking shots... oh noes.
You sir... are a moron.
And you sir are both a moron and a troll.
I cant believe you are actually promoting a crow as vagabond killer. Its so damn WTF.
First of all the closerange inty:
What can go wrong: - zoom, zoom! moving towards vagabond.. (RATTAATTAAA) boom - LOLOL look @ that stupid vagabond he is moving towards me aswell, so i can web him quicker! ZOMG whats that, he overshot me! Quickly get back on top of him. Vagabond and inty are now 5, 10, 15 k away from each other..omg hax we are nearly hanging still, RATTTAAATAAA... boom - lol i have him jammed, damped (just incase), nossed, scrambled, webbed. yes its dying inty of doom. Onoes warrior 2 drones!!11!1
What can go well:
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.06.30 17:21:00 -
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I never spent long enough moving towards a vaga for it to pop me.
If you are a good pilot that much overshoot can be avoided.
Warrior II's can be easily outrun.
I'm not trying to promote crow as vaga killer, I'm just saying its something a new vaga pilot needs to watch out for.
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