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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.06.30 15:43:00 -
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To fill in the gap that people may miss - run from short range inty's.
I know people say vaga's are one of the best inty killers but if a short range one snags you in a web, unless you have a NOS you're going down and theres nothing you can do about it.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.06.30 15:50:00 -
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And then you meet a short range crow who is faster than you and your drones, can web you and you can't hit them.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.06.30 15:54:00 -
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I have plenty of experience flying the ship, I also have a nicely pimped crow which can down vaga's like there's no tomorrow.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.06.30 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa Edited by: Ryysa on 30/06/2007 15:54:31
Originally by: Morreia I have plenty of experience flying the ship, I also have a nicely pimped crow which can down vaga's like there's no tomorrow.
Would you care to 1v1 with your crow against my vaga, not on the test server? I could use some faction loot.
Soz, can't get onto game atm.
If you do find a close range crow which is considerably faster than you and you haven't dished out the money for a good NOS then the only option is to run, I'm sorry but there are no 2 ways about it, it will be ontop of you before you've reacted if it jumps you, it will have a web on you and it will be pounding you against your lowest resist.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Originally by: Morreia Soz, can't get onto game atm.
Nice excuse, I think that you must have smoked a lot of ***** if you think a crow "can down vaga's like there's no tomorrow". No it can't, period.
If you carry a storage device around with you so you can stick a copy of EVE on any computer you happen to use then you my friend are a very, very sad person.
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Quote: If you do find a close range crow which is considerably faster than you and you haven't dished out the money for a good NOS then the only option is to run,
Last I checked, a t2 medium nos had an effective range of 12km and cost about 1m?
And 13km webbers cost hardly anything as well.
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Quote: I'm sorry but there are no 2 ways about it, it will be ontop of you before you've reacted if it jumps you, it will have a web on you and it will be pounding you against your lowest resist.
Oooh, so 100 dps is 'pounding" now. Just fyi, a dual LSE II vagabond can tank a crow for a veeeery long time.
Wow, just over a minute with maxed skills is such a very very long time
Quote: Not to mention, that the crow can not maintain a fast enough orbit WITHIN web range to be faster than decently skilled t2 warrior drones.
But it can.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:46:00 -
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I'm geussing though that this guy isn't going to spend that much money on his vagabond so put it this way... if HE in HIS vagabond meets ME in MY crow, he's going down.
You personal flame as much as I do and EVE-O forums ain't exactly hard to acess on any computer, I don't carry EVE around with me though.
My crow does more than 81 dps.
And 3 or 4 wrecking shots... oh noes.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.06.30 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: GO MaZ
Originally by: Morreia I'm geussing though that this guy isn't going to spend that much money on his vagabond so put it this way... if HE in HIS vagabond meets ME in MY crow, he's going down.
You personal flame as much as I do and EVE-O forums ain't exactly hard to acess on any computer, I don't carry EVE around with me though.
My crow does more than 81 dps.
And 3 or 4 wrecking shots... oh noes.
You sir... are a moron.
And you sir are both a moron and a troll.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.06.30 17:21:00 -
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I never spent long enough moving towards a vaga for it to pop me.
If you are a good pilot that much overshoot can be avoided.
Warrior II's can be easily outrun.
I'm not trying to promote crow as vaga killer, I'm just saying its something a new vaga pilot needs to watch out for.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.06.30 17:37:00 -
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Edited by: Morreia on 30/06/2007 17:38:07 Like I said though if you bothered to read it, he probably won't be spend enough money on his vagabond to get a 15km NOS.
I do have a damage mod on my crow.
Doing closer to 110dps before resistnace I wont take as many wrecking shots. Unless he is very lucky they will be spaced out and I can regen a certain amount of hp between them.
Tbh though seeing as this is just going to turn into you thinking you know everything about the game and trolling anyone who disagree's with you I am not arguing any more and before anyone say it its not because I think ryysa is right, I just think he will never admit that he is wrong.
P.S. In all my arguments in this topic I'm going on pratical experiences, maybe I've just been lucky and all the crows you vaga pilots have killed haven't had suitable setups or been as skilled/lucky.
Either way its something a new vaga pilot should watch out for.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.06.30 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: Morreia on 30/06/2007 18:41:46 Edited by: Morreia on 30/06/2007 18:38:30 Laying out a few facts to try and make up for any misunderstandings.
My setup is hugely expensive.
I never said that I had an armour rep, merely that with time I would regen hp (just like a vaga, hint hint).
Warrior II's go pop very quickly.
P.S. The vaga pilots I have killed may also have not had completely maxed sheild/navigation skills and a head worth over 1 bil.
Depending on which clone I am in I could just dive into med NOS range, turn of MWD and laugh.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.06.30 22:40:00 -
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I didn't say crow was better than a vaga, I just said that a crow could beat a vaga (depending on crow and vaga pilots/setups of course).
The fact that your stabber beat a crow doesn't surprise me, what would surprise me is if your stabber beat a crow that was fitting a good web and you were in the cookie cutter setup (220's, HML's, MWD, scram, LSE, mix of damage and speed mods).
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.06.30 23:10:00 -
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All I was trying to do was give him some advice.
Its not my fault *points at ryysa*
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.06.30 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Originally by: Morreia All I was trying to do was give him some advice.
Its not my fault *points at ryysa*
All you wanted to do, is wave your e-peen. And all you have accomplished is make yourself look like a complete idiot.
Congratulations.
Quote: To fill in the gap that people may miss - run from short range inty's.
I know people say vaga's are one of the best inty killers but if a short range one snags you in a web, unless you have a NOS you're going down and theres nothing you can do about it.
How was that waving my e-peen. I didn't even mention my exploits until you said that it could never be done. Tbh though I really couldn't care what you think and if this guy doesn't take my advice and charges my crow just after he hops in his vaga then thats his choice.
For the moment I'm happy killing vaga's in my crow and hope to stay that way.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.06.30 23:52:00 -
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Or I'm just a very rich person, either way I don't see why it matters seeing as you don't belive me in the first place.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.07.01 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Originally by: Morreia Or I'm just a very rich person, either way I don't see why it matters seeing as you don't belive me in the first place.
If you send me some killmails where you have solokilled a vagabond with your crow it will easily change my opinion (after I confirm them with the victim ofcourse).
But guess what, there are none. You just ganked a vaga with a blob while he was jammed / damped etc and think you are uber ;)
Meh, w/e.
P.S. Most consructive post in the world.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.07.01 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: Mudkest
Originally by: Morreia I didn't say crow was better than a vaga, I just said that a crow could beat a vaga (depending on crow and vaga pilots/setups of course).
And I am sure a tech1 frigate can kill a command cruiser(depending on both pilots skills and fittings)
A t1 frig could never kill a command cruiser with a standard(ish) setup though.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.07.01 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ogdru Jahad I see no mention of a vaga's potential nightmare.
Nano curse. ( something i am training for )
sensor dampened and nossed to hell = no tank of any kind and now way to get out alive short of mates near by.
Originally by: Antarus Lars Rule number 1 : Dont fight Huggins/Curses.
From my experience both of those ships excell at killing vagas.
When i fly my curse i have never even come close to getting killed by a Vagabond, as there cap is dead in seconds.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.07.02 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ringcarmen Its actually pretty funny. The most commonly ship flown by Morreia is t1 frigates :) After some research into different killboards :)
Or is it by any chance that those are the only ships that I ever get killed in?
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.07.02 11:08:00 -
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Or doesn't have the money to fit those modules in the first place? I may have just been lucky and killed poor vaga pilots, I never claimed I've killed the most uber vaga pilots in the world with faction NOS and MWd and maybe webs.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.07.02 14:01:00 -
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I have no doubt ryysa is good with nano ships, I wouldn't say the best but w/e.
All I'm saying and still saying is I have killed vagabonds in a crow before.
1 vs 1 against ryysa on tranq will be pointless because I KNOW he will have a corp NOS and may put a domi web on, Id never engage a vaga knowing they had that stuff on, if I find out they have a corp NOS a few seconds into the engagement I blast out and prey I get out of their range before the next salvo (or 2 depending on luck) hits.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.07.03 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jake Stevens Also, im too poor for the double polycarbon fit, so i fit one anti-kin rig. I doubt you would even break my tank
Originally by: Sir Gwilloc ill 1on1 your crow in a stabber any day not a vaga a stabber.
These 2 posts made the whole thread worth while for me, I don't care if you don't belive me tbh, thats your desicion but its probably these type of vaga pilots (points to quotes) that I manage to kill.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.07.03 17:06:00 -
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Who doesn't love t1 frigs at the costs where you could go through 100000 a day and really not give a hoot?
Try reading the bit where it says this isn't my only account/char and I don't give a crap whether or not you belive me (their really ain't mush point in anyone wasting their time saying they don't).
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.07.03 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Originally by: Morreia Who doesn't love t1 frigs at the costs where you could go through 100000 a day and really not give a hoot?
Try reading the bit where it says this isn't my only account/char and I don't give a crap whether or not you belive me (their really ain't mush point in anyone wasting their time saying they don't).
Stop coming up with excuses, if you had lots of money you would never fly a t1 frig. Dude, you're full of it, stop posting.
Why would you never fly a t1 frig... don't try telling me you never hop in one from time to time, imo they are the funnest ships in EVE.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.07.03 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Morreia on 03/07/2007 17:10:46
Originally by: Ryysa I haven't flown a t1 frig in two years.
Meh, your choice I geuss, I still love them, even if I had 20 trillion isk I'd still fly t1 frigs from time to time.
Originally by: Ryysa you are spamming, and DOSing the forum with your useless blabber.
Your replying to it with equally pointless posts so therefore surely you are doing the same.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.07.03 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa Look, My name is Morreia, and I love to spam and derail threads!
Wow, do I sense the calm calculated ryysa getting a bit touchy around the edges.
I thought you were always this profesional giant ego who didn't give a hoot about what other people said and did and would never result to personal insult (despite the fact you have already proven the last point wrong in this thread).
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.07.03 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa Dude, I just got home from work, and I'm having a /very, very/ good laugh at your expense.
If you think I care or have feelings about you, you are sorely mistaken.
Meh, I'm laughing as hard as you are tbh.
You certainly seem to be struggling to keep it down though.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.07.03 17:20:00 -
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Ok, now both of you have lost me completely.
Drek, why did you post that.
Ryysa, to me you are no better than a day old noob because I have never seen you fight, seen a decent killmail from you or had a conversation with you.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.07.03 17:48:00 -
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Victim: XXX Alliance: XXX Corp: XXX Destroyed: Vagabond System: F8K-WQ Security: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: XXX Security: 0.2 Alliance: XXX Corp: XXX Ship: Crow Weapon: Rocket Launcher II
Destroyed items:
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I Gyrostabilizer II EMP M, Qty: 33 EMP M, Qty: 34 EMP M, Qty: 33 EMP M, Qty: 33 EMP M, Qty: 33
Happy now?
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.07.03 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Morreia on 03/07/2007 18:26:10 Meh, I had to log onto my account, have alot of kill mails to look through and was fun arguing with you before hand.
I don't keep kill boards by the way (never see the point) so asking for that is kinda pointless.
Also another thing which will stop me attacking someone is if they have killed many crows setup similar to mine and I know it/they can prove it which kinda counts out ryysa again.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.07.03 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko Morreia, please stop trolling.
Anyway, the OP was asking about techniques for flying a vagabond, can anyone actually *stay on topic* and reply to the poor man?
I did try but look at what happened.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.07.03 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Originally by: Morreia Also another thing which will stop me attacking someone is if they have killed many crows setup similar to mine and I know it/they can prove it which kinda counts out ryysa again.
Parlez-Vous Anglais?
Oui.
Originally by: Ryysa
Summary: 1. You post bull****. 2. You spam. 3. You try to boast e-peen about how uber you are. 4. You fail, and get laughed at by everyone. 5. You fake a killmail after 3 days :D 6. You are still laughed at by everyone.
Congratulations, you are a clown :)
1. I didn't post bull****. 2. I didn't spam anymore than anyone else here 3. If you say so 4. Meh w/e 5. Was hoping comunity may actually belive someones word but obviously not 6. Meh w/e
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.07.03 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa Edited by: Ryysa on 03/07/2007 18:40:05
Originally by: Morreia Also another thing which will stop me attacking someone is if they have killed many crows setup similar to mine and I know it/they can prove it which kinda counts out ryysa again.
fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail
gtfo already...
Gasp, like 3 crows and 3 solo kills on the whole list.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.07.03 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa Edited by: Ryysa on 03/07/2007 18:42:24
Originally by: Morreia 5. Was hoping comunity may actually belive someones word but obviously not
Community doesn't believe self-imposed wannabe lunatics, sorry :)
Also, the bull**** factor is off the scale, you said your crow can survive 5 wrecking hits from a vagabond, that you can solo vagabonds, shall I go on?
So much for never resulting to personal insults and I never said 5 at once. I'm not even sure I said 5... wasn't it 3 or 4?
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.07.03 18:46:00 -
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I'm sorry but I've actually fallen off my chair with laughter now.
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