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5T1G
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Posted - 2007.07.01 01:34:00 -
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TBH I think the best possible pice of advise for piloting the vaga is:
Fly the stabber until you do not need to ask anymore.
Maybe even put a falloff rig on it to get somewhat simlilar engangment range. Mimic as close to the vaga setup you are going to use as you can. Once you are owning face and confident in what you can/cannot fight and got all your silly "i ****** up" deaths out of the way then you should be ready for a vaga.
Spelling and grammer is probably terrible, I'm drunk and going to bed and wanted to be ocnstructive first.
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Maeltstome
Minmatar Caldari Navy Raiders Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.07.01 02:37:00 -
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flying ceptors is also a good way to get used to the kiting type of fighting.
My very first stabber ran riot in the north, ended up being chased by about 20 folks. Came down to a 2on1 battle with a dictor and an ishkur on me, i got popped, but had both of them on struct - had i been flying a vaga i would have won (the dictor pilot was about 1.5 k/s faster than my 3k stabber, my vaga does 5.5) - after that, the ishkur would have been easy, since he couldnt get in web range - :)
PS. fit 180's adn 2x heavy launchers, SO much better than assaults IMO, since you can tank your MWD for like a moinute and smash off other cruisers shields in the mean time before bringing the guns to bare.
For Vaga. Corpum nos or nothing, heavy launcher if you cant afford a corpum - and orbit at about 15.5 k, and you'll eventually get a feel for going closer and farther to zero tracking.
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Mudkest
MetaForge Ekliptika
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Posted - 2007.07.01 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Morreia I didn't say crow was better than a vaga, I just said that a crow could beat a vaga (depending on crow and vaga pilots/setups of course).
And I am sure a tech1 frigate can kill a command cruiser(depending on both pilots skills and fittings)
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.07.01 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: Mudkest
Originally by: Morreia I didn't say crow was better than a vaga, I just said that a crow could beat a vaga (depending on crow and vaga pilots/setups of course).
And I am sure a tech1 frigate can kill a command cruiser(depending on both pilots skills and fittings)
A t1 frig could never kill a command cruiser with a standard(ish) setup though.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.01 09:21:00 -
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Edited by: LUKEC on 01/07/2007 09:21:55 Oh dear.
I know few crow pilots that can tackle vagas safely, but that's about it(and they are always nervous about doing it). Killing vaga in a crow... yeah if he's mining or something.
I once killed domi with taranis... but he was mining. Ergo, taranis kills dominixes like there's no tomorrow. Starts small text: if they are mining and don't have t2 light/med drones and don't have good tanking skills and ...
-------- I tanked D2 capital fleet and all I got was truncated Erebus mail.
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Firane
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.07.01 09:34:00 -
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Mo adib
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Posted - 2007.07.01 10:01:00 -
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wow the epeen is so thick in here you could cut it with a ..... well nvm
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr Hookers and Black Jack Flaming Hookers
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Posted - 2007.07.01 10:40:00 -
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I see no mention of a vaga's potential nightmare.
Nano curse. ( something i am training for )
sensor dampened and nossed to hell = no tank of any kind and now way to get out alive short of mates near by. -
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maGz
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.07.01 10:45:00 -
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Crow solo-killing a Vaga
You're almost asking to be located, just so I can have a shot at that uber-crow ____________
I'm cool
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.07.01 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ogdru Jahad I see no mention of a vaga's potential nightmare.
Nano curse. ( something i am training for )
sensor dampened and nossed to hell = no tank of any kind and now way to get out alive short of mates near by.
Originally by: Antarus Lars Rule number 1 : Dont fight Huggins/Curses.
From my experience both of those ships excell at killing vagas.
When i fly my curse i have never even come close to getting killed by a Vagabond, as there cap is dead in seconds.
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr Hookers and Black Jack Flaming Hookers
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Posted - 2007.07.01 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Morreia
Originally by: Ogdru Jahad I see no mention of a vaga's potential nightmare.
Nano curse. ( something i am training for )
sensor dampened and nossed to hell = no tank of any kind and now way to get out alive short of mates near by.
Originally by: Antarus Lars Rule number 1 : Dont fight Huggins/Curses.
From my experience both of those ships excell at killing vagas.
When i fly my curse i have never even come close to getting killed by a Vagabond, as there cap is dead in seconds.
ahhhhhh ummmmmm opps? lol -
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Noxious IV
Militaris 1 Shot 1 Kill
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Posted - 2007.07.01 13:15:00 -
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Well, w00p,i can honestly say that was the most uselees, butmost interesteing read to the thread.
What is ironic is that i have been practising killing crows on sisi :)
Now seriously [:-p], if anyone can recommend some speed tanking methods, or guides for piloting the vaga, would be much appreciated :)
Thanks guys :)
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Phish1
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.01 13:30:00 -
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curse and huggin pwnz vaga. hands down.
curse will easily nos you at 30km, and with a faction scram they can orbit you at 25-29km laughing at you, even if they don't fire damps then you wont dmg them much, they get very high resistances to kin and exp on shield, and a standard LSE II will make them laugh at the damage.
thinking of taking out those drones? no chance, and half competent curse pilot will be ready to recall them as soon as you start shooting, and that lock time with damps... ouch.
if they got tracking disruptors you are also screwed. nos till u cap out, tracking disruptors + faction scram while orbiting at 28km and they are having no problems, and the drones wont be hit.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.07.01 20:43:00 -
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For some reason I think the crow vs vaga setup that results in a crow winning involves a cynosural field generator... --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
Noxious IV
Militaris 1 Shot 1 Kill
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Posted - 2007.07.02 08:16:00 -
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So, i went out last night, believe it or not with a crow as a wingman. Killed 1x brutix, 1xferox and a harbinger with a hurricane.
Just orbiting at 20km (stay at 23k) seemed to do the job. The only decent pilot was the brutix who popped my warrior II's (web) then try to get outta of my orbit. However, my agility and player skills let me kept always at 18km or above.
Is there any other tactics people could give? Cause i was lucky IMO and a half decent pilot would have pwned meh am sure.
Thanks
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Ringcarmen
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Posted - 2007.07.02 09:11:00 -
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Its actually pretty funny. The most commonly ship flown by Morreia is t1 frigates :) After some research into different killboards :)
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.07.02 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ringcarmen Its actually pretty funny. The most commonly ship flown by Morreia is t1 frigates :) After some research into different killboards :)
Or is it by any chance that those are the only ships that I ever get killed in?
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sakry helios
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Posted - 2007.07.02 10:26:00 -
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ok i had to pitch in here, i use my crusader and the one thing i have alot of trouble with is a vagabond. Almost all the vagabonds i have seen or have been killed by have always had alot of worth on them for to survive in one you need to have a damn good set of modules.
Now also last time i chcked there were 4med slots. and the last vagai got killed by i went for, got within my nice usual 15km orbit. He didnt nos me, i thought "ah brillient" then i got webbed myself....
now that means i'm f****d no matter what i was set up like adn i was popped very quickly. Ihave always been told no matter what you resistences ceptors are like paper planes. They re hard to hit when moving but if they get hit they die quickly and this proved true. In no means have i ever heard of a vagabond being killed by a ceptor unless it was multiple ceptors at that or the ceptor was in a gang/fleet.
I have fought crows and tested on them. They are nice little ships and my crusader very often struggled with it. I know from that battle however that if i was in somethign with a little more range on my guns. With that bit extra oomph in me i would have beaten it quite easily without trial and thats what the vaga is, it is a ceptor with power.
Try as you might in a ceptor you will not catch a vvaga and kill it unless the vaga is the most unskilled pilot in the known universe and forgets to turn any modules on.
Dak's
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.07.02 11:08:00 -
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Or doesn't have the money to fit those modules in the first place? I may have just been lucky and killed poor vaga pilots, I never claimed I've killed the most uber vaga pilots in the world with faction NOS and MWd and maybe webs.
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Jacko21
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Posted - 2007.07.02 11:37:00 -
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I think its time to accept that 1v1 that Ryysa offered you.
Its the only way to put this to rest ] |
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Draghkar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.07.02 11:47:00 -
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I agree, 1v1 to settle it.
*Draghkar gets his popcorn and jumps a frontrow seat*
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n0thing
omen. D-L
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Posted - 2007.07.02 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jacko21 I think its time to accept that 1v1 that Ryysa offered you.
Its the only way to put this to rest
Actually, you havent mentioned it in your previous posts. Thus any reader could easily think that you meant any vagabond pilot. ---
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turnschuh
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2007.07.02 11:58:00 -
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Ryysa ftw
hes probably the best nano pilot out there, belive me he knows what hes talking about. You only make yourself look like a fool.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.07.02 14:01:00 -
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I have no doubt ryysa is good with nano ships, I wouldn't say the best but w/e.
All I'm saying and still saying is I have killed vagabonds in a crow before.
1 vs 1 against ryysa on tranq will be pointless because I KNOW he will have a corp NOS and may put a domi web on, Id never engage a vaga knowing they had that stuff on, if I find out they have a corp NOS a few seconds into the engagement I blast out and prey I get out of their range before the next salvo (or 2 depending on luck) hits.
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50freefly
Caldari Purify United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.02 15:03:00 -
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I am loling that you say you killed many Vagabonds with a crow, haven't coughed up a km yet, and won't 1v1 Ryssa.
Fail.
Originally by: Eight Ace For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right.
And they never meet.
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Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.07.02 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: 5T1G TBH I think the best possible pice of advise for piloting the vaga is:
Fly the stabber until you do not need to ask anymore.
Maybe even put a falloff rig on it to get somewhat simlilar engangment range. Mimic as close to the vaga setup you are going to use as you can. Once you are owning face and confident in what you can/cannot fight and got all your silly "i ****** up" deaths out of the way then you should be ready for a vaga.
Spelling and grammer is probably terrible, I'm drunk and going to bed and wanted to be ocnstructive first.
Yeah i second this...i have been using a Stabber to great success lately which has helped me hone my skilz before i undock in my Vaga.
I generally have 1 or two falloff rigs on the stabber and 4/180 and 2 launchers. I set the 'orbit' to between 11-13km and 'keep at range' to about 18-19km maybe a little less.
I am trying to learn how to fly manually but using these two and the 'approach' button has made flying the Stabber quite easy. If i want to approach the target i hit the 'orbit' button because i know that i will never (depending on specific situation) get within webrange because of the range setting...if i need to get the hell away fast (ie: enemy's speed has spiked) i hit the 'keep at range'.
With a bit of practise you will get used the the speed of the ship and slowly learn the best way to fly without getting caught out the speed. Use the mwd in bursts and try to orbit without using mwd (burst if you start to take heavy damage or get caught by drones). Check on your damage and if it's not very good in orbit, work on 'approching' and 'keeping at range' to keep the ship flying directly toward or directly away from the target for better transversal.
Watch it when hitting 'approach' as you might find yourself in web range pretty quickly...this is why i use 'orbit' most of the time as you have the built in safelty feature of the 11-13km orbit. sometimes i hit approach wait for transeversal to get better then 'keep at range'.
One last thing...always keep your eye on range and target speed. ( i know it's obvious but sometimes you can get caught up in the fight and forget or get a little complacent)
I hope this has been of some help...i am no expert with the vaga but me and the Stabber are one! - Michael Schumacher won many a formula one race. Alot of the time he didn't win because he had a better car...he won because HE WAS A BETTER DRIVER and because he used SUPERIOR TACTICS. |
Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.02 16:17:00 -
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Edited by: Ryysa on 02/07/2007 16:16:44
Originally by: Morreia I never said I could kill ANY vaga solo.
Like I said a few posts back, if it has a NOS or a web which can reach me a run like **** with my tail between my legs.
I maintain that you can not kill a vaga solo with a crow at all and have never ever done so. And I maintain this UNTIL YOU COUGH UP SOME PROOF.
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Klavayne
Pack Of Shadows
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Posted - 2007.07.02 16:22:00 -
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Edited by: Klavayne on 02/07/2007 16:21:40 I've been watching this thread with bemused interest. And, as much as Ryysa gets on some people's nerves (never had a problem personally) he is usually vaguely right, and he is widely respected as an excellent and experienced pilot.
Yet here you are Morreia arguing against everyone else without any proof to back up your claims. If you had said "Ive killed loads of vagas with a crow, look at these killmails ->" there wouldnt have been a problem. So i think, for the sake of the thread getting back on topic you should keep out of it until you decide to put your money where your mouth is.
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Jacko21
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.07.03 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Jacko21 on 03/07/2007 13:17:10
QFT THIS... exactly this. KM's, proof or STFU until then I maintain that you are on a permament acid trip or something.
I guess he STFU are came off his Acid trip
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Ringcarmen
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Posted - 2007.07.03 13:44:00 -
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Yea, lets see ONE SINGLE killmail, were you solo ganked a vagabond. Otherwise you will just keep looking like a fool. There is no way you can kill a vagabond in a crow. Hell im not even sure you can kill a vagabond if it is afk :P
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