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coolruningc
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Posted - 2007.07.02 19:46:00 -
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Ok this is winding me up big time. to day in help all i see is dam ******* macrols spaming buy isk buy isk sel isk. Stop stop stop how you say. Whell sod it ban trail acounts. Or make people have an age verationg on eve trail acount. this would resunt in you having to pay nothing but post a valded cardit card as prove of age or debit card. restuning in your location and ip given to ccp so if you are a wanbe hacker ccp can simply ban you. tought kindly please.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.07.02 20:09:00 -
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requiring a credit card is probably the easiest solution along with performing an address check along with it to make sure they put in the right address for the said credit card.
And, tying that credit card with that trial account, if another trial account has a credit card in use (whether the trial is expired or not), the same credit card can't be used.
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Kaede Frost
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Posted - 2007.07.02 20:12:00 -
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Well, a lot of people use the trial account legitimately.
And the use of a Credit Card won't work for those who don't pay, or own such a thing.
There is no easy fix and it is unfair to punish the majority due to the action of a minority.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.07.02 20:13:00 -
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yeah got a point there.
oh well, they'll have to do something, cause this is gonna get worse and worse.
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Valandril
Caldari Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2007.07.02 20:25:00 -
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Issue with credit cards is that a lot of cards from some countrys (ie. poland) are not honored in many services w/o sending many mails and making countless phonecalls. ---
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coolruningc
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Posted - 2007.07.02 20:36:00 -
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(note i did say debit card as whell just as a means of proof)
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.02 22:26:00 -
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As long as people buy ISK they will be there to supply it.
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Neuromandis
Novastorm Inc Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.02 22:54:00 -
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Trial accounts bring new players. This brings money to CCP. Macroers are annoying, but even if they DO cause some small financial damage to CCP, they cost a lot less than the influx (trickle?) of new players gives back.
Therefore, stopping trial accounts would be financially bad for ccp as a means of stopping macroers/isk sellers. So it's not gonna happen.
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Selene Le'Cotiere
Amarr Dark Oracle Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.07.02 22:58:00 -
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Admittedly, something does need to be done about these guys.
It's been a couple of years since I played EQ (never even touched WoW), but these guys were never a problem in the "Marketplace Channels" there. Are these ISK spamming people a recent phenomenon, or what?
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Hawse I
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Posted - 2007.07.03 01:54:00 -
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This is a tricky one. Ditching the free trial will put people off starting. I know that the only reason I started playing was because I could download the client and start playing straight away with no commitment. My brother has played various MMOs and has constantly tried to get me into them, but the lack of credit-card free trials put me off. Plus I am an Eve addict.
Banning trial accounts from posting in Help (or other public channels) is possibly not the best way to go about it because even though they will have access to rookie help, that channel is just way too fast to follow sometimes, so Help is an invaluable resource to new players. It is easy to forget how overwhelming Eve is, especially in the early days.
Maybe an option to blanket block trial accounts in certain channels would be helpful for the players that it annoys.
Hmmm. I haven't really offered a solution here have I?!
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Incantare
Caldari Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.03 03:09:00 -
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I don't have a credit card and used a trial before subscribing. I wouldn't be playing today with that restriction in place, and neither would many others.
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2007.07.03 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: Incantare I don't have a credit card and used a trial before subscribing. I wouldn't be playing today with that restriction in place, and neither would many others.
QFT subscribed since over 2 years, I dont own a credit card (never needed one in my country tbh) and wouldnt have gotten one just for testing eve, changing trials would hurt eve more then it benefits
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Cammulos
Shadow Of The Light R i s e
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Posted - 2007.07.03 11:35:00 -
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The best place to start with fixing the Trail account system is to call it the Trial account system.
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codex09
Minmatar Entropy Systems Mining Co.
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Posted - 2007.07.03 13:28:00 -
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Please correct me if I am wrong but trial accounts can't tranfer ISK to othr accounts so at a guess I would say that most ISK sllers are using fully paid accounts.
Also these people probably pay for their full accounts using ISK so why not stop allowing GTC's to be sold for ISK? You see this whole thing is a great tangle of possible problems (eg. how many people buy GTC for ISK, so stopping this would in turn more than likely hurt CCP revenue)
As for the credit or debit card to access Trial Accounts, Personally I think there would be a whole lot less new players if they were to do this and once again this would hurt CCP revenue..
What could a possible solution be? Maybe some way of people buying ISK from NPC's for a set rate. This rate could go up and down according to the current ingame inflation and market prices etc etc. (eg. Maybe have it so people could buy ISK for LP o something else that doesn't just come to people for doing nothing)
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Driven
Caldari Mass Produced Venturi Starea
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Posted - 2007.07.03 13:41:00 -
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I agree completely that the abuse of trial accounts has gone from ridiculous to outright crazy.
Here we are being told daily "Don't buy ISK. Don't buy ISK."
Yet go into ANY trade channel and see if you aren't spammed 10 times a minute by trial accounts selling ISK. Its just insane.
But in those memorable words of that famous EVE player wfwffvsbsbd:
"Sbdgsfsd gsbdgdfs sgafavsbhd wvsbsgdfs!!!"
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SauronTheMage
Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.03 21:14:00 -
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Edited by: SauronTheMage on 03/07/2007 21:13:43 A good solution would be to first start banning any proxy IP detected by such isk sellers. There is no need to use a proxy to get onto eve normally. If you need to access a proxy at work to get on eve, then obviously your IT group doesn't want you playing eve when you should be working anyways. CCP could still allow website / forum access through the proxies, but not access to the actual game.
Another thing to add onto this would be to ban trials from accessing any in-game channel by default except for the help & recruitment channel. In order for a trial account to get access to any other public channel, they would need to be invited by someone who has authority to do so in the corresponding channel. Once the trial account becomes a paid account, then they are no longer blocked from entering public channels.
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Driven
Caldari Mass Produced Venturi Starea
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Posted - 2007.07.04 11:33:00 -
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You wanna see what trial accounts get you?
This is a direct cut and paste out of the blueprint channel from last night - deleting the few actual player postings. I thought perhaps this might be revealing for those in CCP who care about the player experience.
[00:46:46] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:46:56] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:47:39] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:48:07] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:48:17] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:48:59] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:49:29] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:49:38] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:50:21] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:50:49] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:50:59] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:51:41] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:52:10] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:52:20] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:53:02] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:53:31] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:53:41] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:54:23] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:54:52] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:55:02] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:55:44] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:56:13] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:56:23] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
For those of you counting thats 23 ISK sellers postings in 10 minutes. Trial account-based ISK Seller Spamming in trade channels is COMPLETELY out of control. Is CCP going to do something about this?
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coolruningc
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Posted - 2007.07.04 21:08:00 -
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Thaks for all the imput in this debate whell It seams there most be something what to be done still unsereten but CCP pease have a meatning after reading this foumes as I know you guys do and do. Something about it, Buy lettning isk seller abuse trail acount and hoging you are a getning an inacrate amount of players online and B, Deepley up setting players that have been in the game from 5 mins /4.2 years. thanks aganing all I enjoyed readning this debate I hope ccp does to night!
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TomParad0x
Caldari Angels of the Apocolypse
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Posted - 2007.07.04 21:16:00 -
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You know, at first I was against the idea of stopping / limiting trial accounts to the point of not existing or only being allowed to talk in the starter corp, but after weighing the results, it would seam to me constant spamming of isk ads, on forums (One just spammed and I think it was deleted / Hidden or something. I can still refresh the post) leaves worse of an image than new people not being able to talk outside of starter corp.
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Incantare
Caldari Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.04 21:19:00 -
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No, spamming of isk ads is an annoyance, and that's it.
New players not joining the game because of that hurts CCP's balance.
Guess which one is more important?
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Mag's
MASS
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Posted - 2007.07.04 23:47:00 -
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What about limiting the trial accounts access to channels?
Say corp. and local only, with a five posts an hour limit in those.
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SauronTheMage
Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.05 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's What about limiting the trial accounts access to channels?
Say corp. and local only, with a five posts an hour limit in those.
Already basically stated this in post 16 :)
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Incantare
Caldari Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.05 03:39:00 -
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Edited by: Incantare on 05/07/2007 03:38:52
Not a bad idea, but trial accounts should have access to the help channel, as Sauron mentioned.
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Schani Kratnorr
Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.07.05 10:47:00 -
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Edited by: Schani Kratnorr on 05/07/2007 10:47:00 CCP needs to start banning IP adresses. I have a feeling the professional ISK-farmers do their deeds from specific locations, where pale teenagers are chained to massive rows of machines running two or more clients.
If CCP network monkies could block the IPs of the offenders, they could force them to change IPs often, which would complicate their business operations massively.
There wont be a simple "magic bullet" method to the ISK-seller problem. CCP needs to get tough on the spammers and make the link to their "work accounts", so they can start hitting them where it hurts. -- Support democracy! - Because it has to work |
Paigan
Amarr Thirdwave
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Posted - 2007.07.05 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: coolruningc Ok this is winding me up big time. to day in help all i see is dam ******* macrols spaming buy isk buy isk sel isk. Stop stop stop how you say. Whell sod it ban trail acounts. Or make people have an age verationg on eve trail acount. this would resunt in you having to pay nothing but post a valded cardit card as prove of age or debit card. restuning in your location and ip given to ccp so if you are a wanbe hacker ccp can simply ban you. tought kindly please.
Saying "stop trial accounts" is like saying "stop acquiring new customers! Stop making money! Work for free so that i can play the game how i want it".
Nonsense.
And btw: it's trIAl account, not trail account. -- This game is still in beta stage |
Inspir
Gallente VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.05 11:14:00 -
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If it wasnt for the trial accounts, I would still think MMORPG's are a silly idea. A year+ down the track and I pay for three accounts.
To everyone I introduce the game to, the hook is the free trial. Its still a rare thing in the mmo community (other mmo free trials are very limited).
The above is a problem, but stopping trial accounts is a naieve solution for those who have already handed over their soul.
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Shaemell Buttleson
Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2007.07.05 11:20:00 -
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Stop trial accounts and stop GTC's for ISK.
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Svekke
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Posted - 2007.07.05 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Svekke on 05/07/2007 11:52:54 You know there might be an option which Blizzard is currently using in WoW to try and stop spammers.
That is adding an option "Report Spam" when you rightclick a player. When enough people do this those spammers get banned out of the game immediately until a mod investigates the case and keeps him banned or unbans him accordingly. Way faster and more usefull than sending tickets all the time.
Ofcourse it would be best to only do this on trial accounts. No need someone flying around in a titan being spam reported and kicked out.. That would be a little overpowered hahah.
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RaTTuS
BIG BIG is Beautiful
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Posted - 2007.07.05 12:01:00 -
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Don't allow trail accounts in anything but the help , corp channels.
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Sam Reynolds
Caldari Blue Sun Holdings Blue Sun Trust
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Posted - 2007.07.06 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: SauronTheMage Another thing to add onto this would be to ban trials from accessing any in-game channel by default except for the help & recruitment channel. In order for a trial account to get access to any other public channel, they would need to be invited by someone who has authority to do so in the corresponding channel. Once the trial account becomes a paid account, then they are no longer blocked from entering public channels.
/signed - this is a good solution
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