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murder one
Gallente Death of Virtue FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.07.03 01:20:00 -
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I tried running some L4s in earnest today. OMG the ISK. Between bounties, salvage and refining garbage loot, I'm up almost 350m in one day of grinding. This isn't counting the LP. I think if I kept it up for a week I could be making a 1.5 bil a week easily.
I can't even imagine what the Caldari guys must make. I run a Domi so there is an *intense* amount of drone management involved, even with sentry drones. The wave system really screws drone users.
I started running missions to get an implant. Just for the LP, nothing else. I could care less about making ISK or salvaging or w/e. I just ran through missions as fast as possible, usually ignoring the rats all together if I could. I can see now why everyone sits and grinds missions all day. It's just free, effortless ISK. The guys with the CNRs and faction mods must be dripping with ISK. What's the problem if a Gistii XL SB costs a few bill when I can make that in a few days lol.
And talk about AFK missioning! I was taking L4s in my Ishtar. It was hilarious. With a single medium rep no less. I guess the missions have been nerfed a huge amount? I was expecting to have to warp out the second I arrived. Guess not.
So anyway, I was wondering what is the fastest way to grind LP? What are the best missions and the best agents to use? I tried doing L4 courier missions, as my NPC corp I'm running the missions for has a TON of L4 'distribution' agents, but only one L4 security agent.
Suffice to say, the distribution agents and their courier missions are *horrible* for both LP and ISK.
So should I just stick to L3 kill missions? Or will I eventually make more LP/hour running courier missions for L4s if I grind enough? And TBH, after I get my implant, I'm probably going to quit running missions permanently, as they're so mind numbingly boring I'm about to stab my eyes with a fork.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.03 01:31:00 -
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Until I read the last paragraph I thought you had sold your character .
Sorry for hijack...thread returned to rightful and slightly schizo Murder One
Just teasing "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
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Toria Nynys
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.07.03 01:35:00 -
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Edited by: Toria Nynys on 03/07/2007 01:36:53 Do whatever you did to get 350M/day. That's an amazing amount, easily double what 99.9% of everyone else running missions is getting on a per hour basis. The 'professional' guys with multi-CNRs and best faction gear aren't doing that well. Heck, that's like 5x 0.0 ratting amounts. Keep doing that. And FFS, tell no-one what you're doing or how.
That's an amazing continued ISK rate even for a 20 hour day, doubly so considering you looted and salvaged. Heck, stop looting and salvaging and you should more than double your income, easily crowning you the mission king of Eve.
I'm a bit jealous, I feel good if I can keep a 10-20M/hr rate going for any length of time without salvage and looting.
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murder one
Gallente Death of Virtue FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.07.03 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: RuleoftheBone Until I read the last paragraph I thought you had sold your character .
Sorry for hijack...thread returned to rightful and slightly schizo Murder One
Just teasing
HAHHAA!
I want one of the -10% scan time implants, and I can't find a carebear that will sell me one.
So I'm doing it the hard way. I *hate* missions. Grrr.
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Markus Aurelian
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Posted - 2007.07.03 01:36:00 -
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some missions are ridiculously easy, some arent (angel extrav, anyone?) the fastest way to grind lp for one implant would be to (if you have standings) just run a few high quality lvl 4 combat missions, as you can get enough lp for a +4 in very little time Meatwad FTW |
Ceremony Garp
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Posted - 2007.07.03 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Originally by: RuleoftheBone Until I read the last paragraph I thought you had sold your character .
Sorry for hijack...thread returned to rightful and slightly schizo Murder One
Just teasing
HAHHAA!
I want one of the -10% scan time implants, and I can't find a carebear that will sell me one.
So I'm doing it the hard way. I *hate* missions. Grrr.
Dear murder one,
My LP store has a bunch of imps and HW that seem to match your requirement. What's the exact name of the HW and I'll see if I can sort it for you. If I've got enough LP's I'm sure we can sort something out chap.
Regards,
Ceremony
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murder one
Gallente Death of Virtue FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.07.03 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Toria Nynys Do whatever you did to get 350M/day. That's an amazing amount, easily double what 99.9% of everyone else running missions is getting. Heck, that's like 5x 0.0 ratting amounts. Keep doing that. And FFS, tell no-one what you're doing or how. That's an amazing continued ISK rate even for a 20 hour day, doubly so considering you looted and salvaged. Heck, stop looting and salvaging and you should more than double your income.
I'm a bit jealous, I feel good if I can keep a 10-20M/hr rate going for any length of time without salvage and looting.
I can make about 200m/day ratting for 8 hours easily. Assuming I don't get interrupted every five minutes because enemy fleets are attacking our POSes lol.
That number *includes* the salvage and selling the mins I recycle from the rats. A good 20-30% of the ISK is from that. I just rip through the mission, BM a can in each stage, end the mission, come back in MWD Thrasher with T-beams and salvagers and go to town. Leave a few cans if I run outta cargo, then come back and scoop everything in my MWD Viator. It's only a real problem when the mission is multiple systems away from me. I either turn those down or don't salvage them.
And I avoid missions vs. faction navy at all costs.
My question still stands: will I be able to make courier missions as lucrative as kill missions, on an LP/hour basis?
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Webster Belken
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Posted - 2007.07.03 01:41:00 -
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I'm not sure if many people are going to answer you in this forum, seeing as how in Crime & Punishment you have a rather revealing post on how easy it is for you to probe out mission runners in low sec.
I'm guessing your trying to ferret out intel on new systems to lurk in.
Good try ole chap - we aint talking.
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murder one
Gallente Death of Virtue FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.07.03 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Webster Belken I'm not sure if many people are going to answer you in this forum, seeing as how in Crime & Punishment you have a rather revealing post on how easy it is for you to probe out mission runners in low sec.
I'm guessing your trying to ferret out intel on new systems to lurk in.
Good try ole chap - we aint talking.
LOL! I know all the systems mission runners use. That's common knowledge (to me at least). I didn't ask about where to run missions. I was asking about courier mission LP efficiency, vs kill missions, with respect to LP/Hour. But if I can just buy some implants I'm absolutely going to do that instead.
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murder one
Gallente Death of Virtue FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.07.03 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ceremony Garp
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: RuleoftheBone Until I read the last paragraph I thought you had sold your character .
Sorry for hijack...thread returned to rightful and slightly schizo Murder One
Just teasing
HAHHAA!
I want one of the -10% scan time implants, and I can't find a carebear that will sell me one.
So I'm doing it the hard way. I *hate* missions. Grrr.
Dear murder one,
My LP store has a bunch of imps and HW that seem to match your requirement. What's the exact name of the HW and I'll see if I can sort it for you. If I've got enough LP's I'm sure we can sort something out chap.
Regards,
Ceremony
Ceremony, if this works out, you're a life saver man. I'm about ready to end it all after just a few days of missions lol.
Implant needed: Hardwiring - Poteque Pharmaceuticals 'Prospector' PPH-2
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Toria Nynys
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.07.03 02:09:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
I can make about 200m/day ratting for 8 hours easily. Assuming I don't get interrupted every five minutes because enemy fleets are attacking our POSes lol.
Yes, that's pretty normal for 0.0 ratting in good space. More than about 30 million an hour missioning is simply amazing. Many L4s have timewastes built in that keep people from completing them that quickly. Unless you're the luckiest person in the world and keep pulling in-system non-deadspace non-90km between gates mishes it's going to be real hard to equal that income running missions, even in 0.0.
And that's *WITHOUT* loot or salvage. Looting or salvaging all but EOM and possibly Amarr related rats will slow down the income by quite a bit. And yes, post-mish cleanup in a MWD equipped destroyer is how everyone does it too. Still, salvage cycles take time, and you only score the .3m-.5M every few minutes at best.
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My question still stands: will I be able to make courier missions as lucrative as kill missions, on an LP/hour basis?
And my answer still stands. If you are able to do combat missions 4-10x faster than everyone else on the server, by god keep doing that! Even the Loes courier runs won't come close. Stop looting & salvaging and kick it up to 6-15x faster than everyone else. Those implants are only 80k lp if I remember right, and at your pace of L4 clearning that should be about 2-3 hours. Heck, even I can hit that in under 12 hours or so with some luck, and I'm closer to average than 'best of eve' in terms of mish running.
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Ceremony Garp
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Posted - 2007.07.03 02:18:00 -
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Dear murder one,
Ok mate, leave it with me. I'll be back in meh missioning territory tomorrow, and if I can, I'd be glad to help, np.
I'll let you known in here or send you an evemail.
Kind regards,
Ceremony
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murder one
Gallente Death of Virtue FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.07.03 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: Toria Nynys
Originally by: murder one
I can make about 200m/day ratting for 8 hours easily. Assuming I don't get interrupted every five minutes because enemy fleets are attacking our POSes lol.
Yes, that's pretty normal for 0.0 ratting in good space. More than about 30 million an hour missioning is simply amazing. Many L4s have timewastes built in that keep people from completing them that quickly. Unless you're the luckiest person in the world and keep pulling in-system non-deadspace non-90km between gates mishes it's going to be real hard to equal that income running missions, even in 0.0.
And that's *WITHOUT* loot or salvage. Looting or salvaging all but EOM and possibly Amarr related rats will slow down the income by quite a bit. And yes, post-mish cleanup in a MWD equipped destroyer is how everyone does it too. Still, salvage cycles take time, and you only score the .3m-.5M every few minutes at best.
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My question still stands: will I be able to make courier missions as lucrative as kill missions, on an LP/hour basis?
And my answer still stands. If you are able to do combat missions 4-10x faster than everyone else on the server, by god keep doing that! Even the Loes courier runs won't come close. Stop looting & salvaging and kick it up to 6-15x faster than everyone else. Those implants are only 80k lp if I remember right, and at your pace of L4 clearning that should be about 2-3 hours. Heck, even I can hit that in under 12 hours or so with some luck, and I'm closer to average than 'best of eve' in terms of mish running.
I like that you're being obtuse. It's amusing, and only a little antagonistic.
The NPC corps that I can run missions for in order to get the implant that I want do *not* have L4 Q20 agents that are all kill missions. It's mostly about 80-90% courier, and 10-20% kill missions.
I'm used to doing 100% kill missions, and generating a lot of ISK/hour, but it still only generates about average LP/hour with other players, but I was wondering if the L4 Q20 distribution agents would be as lucrative as L4 Q20 security/command/internal sec etc. agents, from an LP/hour perspective.
I can complete the most difficult missions (WC for instance) in less than two hours easily, and I'm netting something like 55m per mission from those, and slightly less from the others, but much faster with the rest.
I'm wondering if I grind standing with the courier agents (L4 Q20) if they will net me the same LP/hour as I currently get in a difference NPC corp with my kill missions.
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Toria Nynys
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.07.03 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
I'm wondering if I grind standing with the courier agents (L4 Q20) if they will net me the same LP/hour as I currently get in a difference NPC corp with my kill missions.
Completely situational. If you have a warp speed rigged blockade runner and don't get ganked, in an ideal world you could hit as high as 25K LP/hr running couriers. With lots of luck.
If, on the other hand, you have a pimped out faction ship and/or multiple accounts and can equal the performance of the best mission runners in the land, you can get that with combat missions. In high sec I get about 6200 LP from not so good agent for the average combat mission. And I get about 800 for the average courier. If you can run those average combat missions in 40 minutes or so or less, you win with combats. If not, couriers.
Most of eve carebears run combat missions because for most of us they are significantly better on an isk&LP/hr basis. Farmers run couriers because they're more consistent. Plus, combats are not quite as mind numbing.
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Nalar Marnith
Minmatar Tetranex Consolidated
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Posted - 2007.07.03 03:09:00 -
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Being a fairly inefficient mission runner myself (more tank than gank), and not much of a courier mission fan, I'll answer as best I can.
From what I've read of the way other uber mission runners work: Courier missions = standing Kill missions = LP/ISK
As you've found courier missions give crap isk/lp rewards. The reason they're good for standing is they're a LOT faster than kill missions, hence you get your storyline missions more ofter and gain standing faster.
If you are amazingly efficient at lining up courier missions so that you can have several going at once, you may be able to get decent isk/lp.\
Hope that answers your question.
Personally I get 10-15m an hour running missions. I'm not overly focused on being as efficient as possible and will be changing strategy soon to make sure I am.
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Devian 666
Axe Gang
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Posted - 2007.07.03 03:21:00 -
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I was wondering WTF you were doing posting in this forum. I'm disappointed as there's no ore theft or exploding carebears.
Ok. Fastest isk + lp are typically from lvl 4 courier missions for r&d corp with a manufacturing agent (similar to production and distribution). I have high tech and labour connections at 3 and very high r&d standing.
Typical isk per mission is around 800k and the average lp is 1200 per mission. Sometimes you will get a suck high volume mission with bad isk + lp but with my standing I seem to get a lot of low volume (1-3 m^3) where I only cover a jump inside the sytem or 1 jump away. Those missions provide around 800k isk and 1800 lp per mission (lvl4 q18 agent with high standings). This assumes skipping every combat mission offered.
Basically if I courier mission run I can clear 6 to 12 missions per hour so roughly 7k to 15k lp per hour. Every 16 missions you get a storyline mission. If your storyline agent is good to you, you'll only require some ore in exchange for a +4 implant. Unfortunately +4 implants do not occur every storyline since one of the earlier patches.
So rapid isk + lp + storyline (5.8m isk or +4 implant as reward) all through courier missions. Less to manage than combat missions but mind numbing so you need around 8 chat channels to keep you entertained.
People have moaned at me that they don't make much this way but that's because they give up before they even get to the lvl 4 agents. It's a matter of how long you can cope with the missions before poking your eyes out. Also you sometimes get shafted with low sec missions which are too risky unless you have a transport ship/scout. I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain. |
KISOGOKU
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Posted - 2007.07.03 03:41:00 -
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i cant believe this is real ?
Originally by: murder one Between bounties, salvage and refining garbage loot, I'm up almost 350m in one day of grinding. This isn't counting the LP.
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murder one
Gallente Death of Virtue FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.07.03 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: KISOGOKU i cant believe this is real ?
Originally by: murder one Between bounties, salvage and refining garbage loot, I'm up almost 350m in one day of grinding. This isn't counting the LP.
It is when you're not a jerk loner carebear and have friends that help you vaporize missions twice as fast as otherwise. I give them the ISK. Keep the LP. Everybody is happy.
Think outside the box loser. Why not just come right out and say it and accuse me of lying?
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Toria Nynys
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.07.03 05:43:00 -
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Edited by: Toria Nynys on 03/07/2007 05:42:19 Ok, then so which is it? Your original post claimed *YOU* were up 350M in one day, not counting LP. Did you get the cash? Did the teammates get the cash? Either way, if your gang was clearing mishes at double the normal rate (so call it 30,000 LP/hr?) you'd have your implant in 2-3 hours.
Your story mutates too much to believe. Much like your stories in C&P.
I suspect you went along on a mish, then projected some BS numbers into bigger BS. Unlike you I do have friends, and they do come along with me on mishes. And I also know those 90km apart gates slow us both down, and we both take the travel time hit to get to the mishes. It's more fun to do mishes in packs, but the best LP and ISK/hr is still solo.
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Ian Novarider
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.07.03 07:03:00 -
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>>>Why not just come right out and say it and accuse me of lying?>>>>
I accuse you of lying.
I do NOT believe you when you say you consistently achieve 350 million ISK (in total) per day while SOLO mission running in a Dominix.
One time maybe - when you are lucky getting the right high value loot drop or gank an officer or find a high end hauler spawn.
About your question : best LP/hour is in L4 kill missions (no looting, no salvaging, no killing all when you get mission complete message, no extravaganzas) in a 0.5 sec system from an L4Q20 agent (and you should have the appropriate connections skill). If you want to increase your faction standing quickly, do courier missions (as you get a lot more special missions).
And I strongly recommend you use the fork !
Have fun
Quote: Know thy enemy and know thyself and thou will be victorious in all thy battles.
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Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.07.03 07:06:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
I can complete the most difficult missions (WC for instance) in less than two hours easily, and I'm netting something like 55m per mission from those, and slightly less from the others, but much faster with the rest.
I'm wondering if I grind standing with the courier agents (L4 Q20) if they will net me the same LP/hour as I currently get in a difference NPC corp with my kill missions.
I do WC in 30 minutes (2x CNR's) and do not see sutch income numbers. WC is approx 30 mil in bounties (altho I don't loot). So to get 350 mil a day you will need something like 45 mil / hour if you do 8 h days. Yeah. That sounds possible if you are lucky (or have multiple agents near by letting you pick good missions like several worlds collides per day). Avergae mission income (for less lucky) is around 20 to 25 mil / hour (missions like 'the score', all drone missions, 'unauthorized military precence' and so on are just time sinks with relatively low rewards).
To answer your question - if you can run missions fast enough to earn 350 mil/day then sure as hell you will get LP faster with kill missions. If however worlds collide takes you 2 hours to complete then you would break more or less even compared to good quality courier agent.
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2007.07.03 07:12:00 -
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yeah it's boring but it's the only way to get those funky new implants.. so now everyone has to do it :(
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2007.07.03 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: murder one I tried running some L4s in earnest today. OMG the ISK. Between bounties, salvage and refining garbage loot, I'm up almost 350m in one day of grinding. This isn't counting the LP. I think if I kept it up for a week I could be making a 1.5 bil a week easily.
I can't even imagine what the Caldari guys must make. I run a Domi so there is an *intense* amount of drone management involved, even with sentry drones. The wave system really screws drone users.
Unless you really ARE talking about a whole day of grinding (15+ hours), or using multiple accounts, you're FLAT OUT lying here!!!
Given your normal agenda (stated in many other threads) that you want all L4 agents moved to low-sec (so you can hunt the mission runners), that's not too surprising though. Since you feel the need to resort to lies to achieve that thouhg, your real arguments for getting that change in must be pretty weak....
A top fitted, top skilled CNR runner can make MAYBE 30m per hour on average (if he's lucky with the missions he gets). This figure includes LP pre-patch...
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2007.07.03 07:21:00 -
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Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 03/07/2007 07:21:21
Originally by: murder one I tried running some L4s in earnest today. OMG the ISK. Between bounties, salvage and refining garbage loot, I'm up almost 350m in one day of grinding.
Originally by: murder one I can complete the most difficult missions (WC for instance) in less than two hours easily, and I'm netting something like 55m per mission from those
Well these two statements viewed together invalidate the whole thread. First of all, 350 mil per DAY really does not say anything about how efficient you really were. If that 'day' was 23 hours of straight mission running, you only made like 15 mil per hour, which really is nothing. If you ran 10 hours, you made 35 mil per hour which would be quite substantial and pretty much impossible in practice (There are missions giving you 35 mil per hour but getting only those for a 10 hour spree?). Just earning a lot of money in one day is NOT getting rich, more often than not it is being rewarded for a lot of work.
Then comes along WC. There are no 55 mil in WC. Not by a long shot. And doing it in under 2 hours? Just lol. If you think that is good, there is NO way your 350 mil figure from above can hold up, unless that was really 350 mil for 23 hours...
Really, this looks like numbers pulled out of a hole where the sun don't shine, probably aimed at making CCP nerf highsec missions so our esteemed murder one gets more people who don't subject themselves to be content for him out of the game...
Oh and where is your Blasterthron whining? Pretty much every thread from you has some of it, yet there is none here???
Thank you SkyFlyer!
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.03 07:39:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Originally by: KISOGOKU i cant believe this is real ?
Originally by: murder one Between bounties, salvage and refining garbage loot, I'm up almost 350m in one day of grinding. This isn't counting the LP.
It is when you're not a jerk loner carebear and have friends that help you vaporize missions twice as fast as otherwise. I give them the ISK. Keep the LP. Everybody is happy.
Think outside the box loser. Why not just come right out and say it and accuse me of lying?
That is a fairly important point.
You aren't doing 350 million/day with 1 character (or 1 player) but with multiple players.
Say you are 3 players working togheter, you income is around a more normal 120/millions each for 1 day of mission running.
Most of us were amazed that you were capable to do 350 millions/day alone.
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murder one
Gallente Death of Virtue FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.07.03 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: KISOGOKU i cant believe this is real ?
Originally by: murder one Between bounties, salvage and refining garbage loot, I'm up almost 350m in one day of grinding. This isn't counting the LP.
It is when you're not a jerk loner carebear and have friends that help you vaporize missions twice as fast as otherwise. I give them the ISK. Keep the LP. Everybody is happy.
Think outside the box loser. Why not just come right out and say it and accuse me of lying?
That is a fairly important point.
You aren't doing 350 million/day with 1 character (or 1 player) but with multiple players.
Say you are 3 players working togheter, you income is around a more normal 120/millions each for 1 day of mission running.
Most of us were amazed that you were capable to do 350 millions/day alone.
Usually running two chars, since you can just AFK tank a whole spawn and then kill the rest of it with the other char, and since I'm in high sec and have literally zero chance of dying, no big deal. I can get through a mission 'alone' quite quickly and efficiently.
Second, to me a day is 24 man hours, but I make way more than 350m/24 man hours. I'll have to figure out the exact ISK per hour, but it's really pretty high. Way higher than ratting in 0.0.
And third, usually I have buddies who are bored and just hanging out, so we all just chip in and run a mission or two for each other anyway, dramatically reducing the time it takes to clear a mission. 3x people isn't 3x as fast. It's more like 10x as fast as solo, since you can break each targets tank almost instantly, they don't have a chance to rep vs. your damage.
I think it would be interesting to make a fraps of 'WC done fast' in the theme of the old 'Q3 done fast' vids. And see how fast a group could do WC, regardless of ships, fits or number of people used.
Then again, missions are so boring, I don't even think that could make them interesting.
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Qwi Wealth
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Posted - 2007.07.03 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: murder one I tried running some L4s in earnest today. OMG the ISK. Between bounties, salvage and refining garbage loot, I'm up almost 350m in one day of grinding. This isn't counting the LP. I think if I kept it up for a week I could be making a 1.5 bil a week easily[...]
So should I just stick to L3 kill missions? Or will I eventually make more LP/hour running courier missions for L4s if I grind enough? And TBH, after I get my implant, I'm probably going to quit running missions permanently, as they're so mind numbingly boring I'm about to stab my eyes with a fork.
1.5B/Week = 214M/Day = 9,3M/Hour
9.3M/Hour is not much.
Get the fork. Cheers.
Qwi.
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Data Masked
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Posted - 2007.07.03 09:31:00 -
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Edited by: Data Masked on 03/07/2007 09:30:22 After reading this post I decided to pull up murder one's profile and take a look at his standings and figure out just who he is running these 350m/day missions with. It gave me a very good idea which agents he is using and where he is currently running his game at.
It just doesnt add up. I see three level 3 security agents working for the Expert Distribution corporation and only one level 4 agent [distrubution division]. The rest are pretty much level 2s and 1s. Based on this intel I just dont see how he can be pulling in the numbers he is quoting, even if he is running in a pack.
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Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.07.03 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Data Masked Edited by: Data Masked on 03/07/2007 09:30:22 After reading this post I decided to pull up murder one's profile and take a look at his standings and figure out just who he is running these 350m/day missions with. It gave me a very good idea which agents he is using and where he is currently running his game at.
It just doesnt add up. I see three level 3 security agents working for the Expert Distribution corporation and only one level 4 agent [distrubution division]. The rest are pretty much level 2s and 1s. Based on this intel I just dont see how he can be pulling in the numbers he is quoting, even if he is running in a pack.
As he stated he has alt with him. It's quite possible that this alt accept's missions. murder one it self is pirate specialized in scanning out low sec missionrunners (no personal experience fortunately, I don't run missions in low sec).
As far as 350 mil goes well. That 24 manhours = day explains it quite nice. Just initial misunderstanding. In that case 350 mil is realistic number (3 man team, 8h, each can talk to local agents and they can do 'best available' missions so picking just profitable ones). For 3 man team it should be around 60 mil / h on average (assuming good missions). Up to 80 mil / h if they get very good missions over and over again so it might get as high as 500 .. 600 mil / 'day' (where 'day' is 24 manhours).
On the other hand it's more or less same as 0.0 NPC grind if you take 'day' as 24 manhours. Chaining rats in average system gets you easily 50 mil / h after you work the system in and dont have to safespot every other minute (like being in secure alliance space). So in that case it's 2x more than missionrunning. I usually divide it by 2 to take into account 0.0 'inefficency' (need to haul ammo, ocasional hostile and so on) and claim that high sec missionrunning is approx the same as 0.0 belthunting.
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Mogubu
League of Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.07.03 09:58:00 -
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Bwaha.
Worst try ever to try to convince ccp to nerf lvl4s further? You wanna do your pirate thing? Good on you, by all means, let missionrunners do their thing and Im sure someone will sell you that implant when you are prepared to pay the price for it.
You know, market pvp and all that... ---
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Vasiliyan
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.07.03 10:53:00 -
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I'd be interested in your WC done fast fraps.
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Feng Schui
Minmatar The Ninja Coalition New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.07.03 11:02:00 -
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Courier missions suck (in my experience), combat missions will gain you greater ISK / LP on average.
and yes, I believe you can make 350M a day... right before rev2 patch, I had to get my sec status up to above -2 (I was at -2.8 iirc)... I accomplished this, went up to -1.9; and made almost 500 mill in bounties / rewards (i didn't loot or salvage). I did have a corp mate come out, in a MWD salva-cane... and he couldn't keep up with looting / salvaging behind me, I was completing the missions before he salvaged / looted. Is that normal? Hell no... It was a 22 hour day, and I sped through everything as fast as possible. Normally, I make about 100 per day.
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Countess Markievicz
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.07.03 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Countess Markievicz on 03/07/2007 11:59:19 I have noticed that Murder One's name seems to come up quite a lot as I randomly read various threads.
I do hope he has a ship the size of Texas to fit his ego in. :-)
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Toria Nynys
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.07.03 17:38:00 -
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Cripes. 22 hours of missioning. 300 million in a sunday of missioning. My hat's off to you guys, if I was wearing one.
I'm lucky to stomach 4 missions a day on a good day. Typically I'm lucky to get in 2.
I guess I'll never deserve that "Mission Professional" badge... Might as well hang it up and go gank people in lowsec.
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El Wray
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Posted - 2007.07.03 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
That number *includes* the salvage and selling the mins I recycle from the rats. A good 20-30% of the ISK is from that. I just rip through the mission, BM a can in each stage, end the mission, come back in MWD Thrasher with T-beams and salvagers and go to town. Leave a few cans if I run outta cargo, then come back and scoop everything in my MWD Viator. It's only a real problem when the mission is multiple systems away from me. I either turn those down or don't salvage them.
heh nice try. You cant use a MWD in a mission complex and mission complexes despawn when you end the mission. Surely you would know that if you were making 350m a day running missions...
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Sandzibarr
A.W.M Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.07.03 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: El Wray
Originally by: murder one
That number *includes* the salvage and selling the mins I recycle from the rats. A good 20-30% of the ISK is from that. I just rip through the mission, BM a can in each stage, end the mission, come back in MWD Thrasher with T-beams and salvagers and go to town. Leave a few cans if I run outta cargo, then come back and scoop everything in my MWD Viator. It's only a real problem when the mission is multiple systems away from me. I either turn those down or don't salvage them.
bm a can.. complete mission at agent. head back to bm and salvage using a MWD fitted ship.
people have been doing this since time began...
heh nice try. You cant use a MWD in a mission complex and mission complexes despawn when you end the mission. Surely you would know that if you were making 350m a day running missions...
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Tazrim Hydako
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Posted - 2007.07.03 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Webster Belken I'm not sure if many people are going to answer you in this forum, seeing as how in Crime & Punishment you have a rather revealing post on how easy it is for you to probe out mission runners in low sec.
I'm guessing your trying to ferret out intel on new systems to lurk in.
Good try ole chap - we aint talking.
Hate to tell you this, but you don't have to be an over-stuffed, self-important know-it-all pirate-forum-warrior to know where the low-sec mission runners are likely to be. You just look at agent locations.
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murder one
Gallente Death of Virtue FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.07.03 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sandzibarr Edited by: Sandzibarr on 03/07/2007 18:24:27
Originally by: El Wray
heh nice try. You cant use a MWD in a mission complex and mission complexes despawn when you end the mission. Surely you would know that if you were making 350m a day running missions...
bm a can/wreck.. complete mission at agent. head back to bm and salvage using a MWD fitted ship.
people have been doing this since time began...
Thanks for setting him straight. It's hard work correcting the noobs *all* the time.
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murder one
Gallente Death of Virtue FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.07.03 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex
Originally by: Data Masked Edited by: Data Masked on 03/07/2007 09:30:22 After reading this post I decided to pull up murder one's profile and take a look at his standings and figure out just who he is running these 350m/day missions with. It gave me a very good idea which agents he is using and where he is currently running his game at.
It just doesnt add up. I see three level 3 security agents working for the Expert Distribution corporation and only one level 4 agent [distrubution division]. The rest are pretty much level 2s and 1s. Based on this intel I just dont see how he can be pulling in the numbers he is quoting, even if he is running in a pack.
As he stated he has alt with him. It's quite possible that this alt accept's missions. murder one it self is pirate specialized in scanning out low sec missionrunners (no personal experience fortunately, I don't run missions in low sec).
Man, you're good. Everyone should be as sharp as you are before being allowed to write uneducated and poorly thought out posts. (Not being sarcastic here)
In fact, my 'pirate' character (my -10 guy who I use to actually shoot people these days) has plenty of standings to use L4 Q20 agents for Fed Navy.
Also, if you look at murder's standing with FNA (not fed navy) you'll see that it's -10.00. But now I've ratted his sec back up.
And just LOL @ all the tin foil hattery with you guys thinking this is just some sort of psy-ops mission to get the devs to move all L4 agents to low sec lol.
You guys *know* you rake in the cash. I can't imagine how fast you must shred L4s with a CNR. And that's just solo. Using a tank and DPS ship like I do you can get through missions a heck of a lot faster, but with a CNR and being able to switch damage types and not have to wrangle drones... well... there is nothing to it.
Most of you are hilarious. The rest of you who actually tried to answer my question, I appreciate it very much, as your insight has saved me some time and hassle.
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Data Masked
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Posted - 2007.07.03 20:50:00 -
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Edited by: Data Masked on 03/07/2007 20:53:46 Deleted original reply:
Decided I wouldn't get baited into further discussion. The OP keeps changing his story and things arent adding up. Not worth my time.
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Ceremony Garp
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Posted - 2007.07.05 12:40:00 -
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Edited by: Ceremony Garp on 05/07/2007 12:41:46 Warping into a mission near you, hand held outstretched. And there, in the palm of that hand, is 'most', not all, but most, mission runners Darwin Award.
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