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Impolite Andevil
The Shadow Knights Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.07.04 21:51:00 -
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I have been kept away from Eve for a while by the insidious clutches of real life, but I have been following the discussion of lev 5s with interest. Does anyone know if the rewards have started to adjust upward yet?
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HeavenlyCreature
Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.07.05 23:00:00 -
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No .. they are absolutely terrible still.
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Agif
World Order The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.07.05 23:31:00 -
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No i did a level 5 today and for ounce i saw bounty's don't know if this one just isn't bugged but i only got 1200 Lp's or so.
So my educated guess would be they are very much still broken. ------------------------------
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Mikal Drey
Angels and Demons
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Posted - 2007.07.06 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Agif No i did a level 5 today and for ounce i saw bounty's don't know if this one just isn't bugged but i only got 1200 Lp's or so.
So my educated guess would be they are very much still broken.
How Educated ?
1) whats the agent > you standings Your LP will increase as your agent standings increase 2) agent effective quality Standings and connections/negotiation level will affect the agents effictive quality. Check the info of the agent and see how high it is 3) negotiation, connections (Lp) skill levels obvious
Also are you making the bonus/mission times as this will also affect the Lp rewards as the server balances out times and rewards.
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Gerrard Lea
Caldari Equilibrium Command
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Posted - 2007.07.06 06:40:00 -
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They haven't moved much because no one does them.
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Yasuki Orie
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.06 06:48:00 -
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I guess its a catch-22. If they increased the rewards 100x and make it 100x harder to probe out missions runners then the auto-adjusting system could start to function otherwise lvl 5 missions might as well not bother to exist.
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Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.07.06 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Mikal Drey
How Educated ?
1) whats the agent > you standings Your LP will increase as your agent standings increase 2) agent effective quality Standings and connections/negotiation level will affect the agents effictive quality. Check the info of the agent and see how high it is 3) negotiation, connections (Lp) skill levels obvious
Also are you making the bonus/mission times as this will also affect the Lp rewards as the server balances out times and rewards.
If he has access to level 5 agents, he already has at least 8.6 standing with the corp, which is more than enough to get the maximum increase possible in reward.
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Mikal Drey
Angels and Demons
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Posted - 2007.07.06 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword If he has access to level 5 agents, he already has at least 8.6 standing with the corp, which is more than enough to get the maximum increase possible in reward.
not true.
you need effective Corp or Personal or Faction Standings to use some agents.
I have very high Faction standings towards Minmatar which entitles me to use a plethora of Matari agents. However i have Zero personal standings with any of the L5 agents.
Otis Norch Q12 shows effective quality 28 Brutor Standing 10 Matari standing 9.97
Seri Corsiddia Q12 shows effective quality 28 Republic fleet Standing 8.16 Matari Standing 9.97
If i use the agent i will slowly get a personal standing towards the agent. as the agents personal standing increases so will my effective quality. as the effective quality increases so will my LP.
Bjerd Erand Q -9 Effective 15 Brutor 10 Matari 9.97 PERSONAL 9.04
Rember Esmur Q -9 Effective 9 Brutor 10 Matari 9.97 PERSONAL 3.92
Both agents are same corp/division/quality but my personal standing to the agent makes a huge difference in agent quality and therefore LP rewards.
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2007.07.06 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Mikal Drey Both agents are same corp/division/quality but my personal standing to the agent makes a huge difference in agent quality and therefore LP rewards.
In my experience, personal standing to the agent makes NO difference at all to the LP rewards. When I start grinding up a new corp with L3s, I get the same LP for the first mission with no agent standing as for those I do near the end with great agent standing.
Maybe there is a difference in rewards, but it must be very small.
So if you get 1200 LP for a L5 mission, that IS broken, regardless of any personal standing with the agent. And it is no surprise really, seeing how noone in his right mind will regularly do L5s atm. Only runners that want a challenge and are not interested in earning money will do them, and those are about as common as pirates interested in a fair fight...
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Liisa
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.06 10:14:00 -
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The problem is that you simply do not have the needed amount of missions being done to be able to see if the auto-adjust system is working or not. With level 1-4 missions you have enough missions being done that the the rewards adjust within a reasonable amount of time, along with the fact that there are only a few new missions being introduced at once, meaning that these missions do not hurt overly much(financially).
With level 5 missions you have the problem that many people take a look at the missions and decide that they are better off doing level 4 missions, which in turn means that the rewards cannot adjust because not enough missions are being done for the adjustment program to work (with work I mean adjust the rewards to a reasonable level within 2 weeks). This in turn means that you have an almost self-perpetuating problem because you do not have enough people doing the missions for the rewards to rise, but people do not want to do the missions because the rewards are not high enough, especially the loyalty points, which would, for me, be the main reason to do these missions.
I think CCP overlooked that getting 1/5th of the loyalty points for a level 5 mission that requires at least 2 ships compared to a level 4 mission that needs only 1 ship (and has less risk) means that not many people will do the level 5 mission in the hope that the rewards will rise. Remember, there has been no official statement that the rewards will rise, or if there has been, please link it for me, as I have missed it. ----------------------------------
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Paigan
Amarr Thirdwave
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Posted - 2007.07.06 10:56:00 -
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Tbh, that whole talking about dynamich adjusting of mission rewards sounds like a fake to me. I've done thousands of mission and afaik, certain missions ALWAYS brought and bring the same fixed amount of LP (i remember having 7272 for every "big" level4 mission at a certain agent. The only time this number changed was when i brought my connection skills from 3/3 to 4/4). The numbers are even the same after major patches.
So until PROVEN otherwise, i claim that there is no such thing like dynamisch player-dependant misson reward adjustment OR maybe that it exists but does not work. -- This game is still in beta stage |
Mikal Drey
Angels and Demons
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Posted - 2007.07.06 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Paigan Tbh, that whole talking about dynamich adjusting of mission rewards sounds like a fake to me. I've done thousands of mission and afaik, certain missions ALWAYS brought and bring the same fixed amount of LP (i remember having 7272 for every "big" level4 mission at a certain agent. The only time this number changed was when i brought my connection skills from 3/3 to 4/4). The numbers are even the same after major patches.
So until PROVEN otherwise, i claim that there is no such thing like dynamisch player-dependant misson reward adjustment OR maybe that it exists but does not work.
If it helps you see the dynamic effect on LP and mission rewards. Check out the mission Recon. the other missions that have been floating around for a long while now have settled down and have dynamicly been adjusted already. its NEW missions that require adjustments.
It was the same with the change to L4 courier missions when they changed and the Lp rewards were god awfull but now i can get over 1k for a 1.0m3 L4 courier mission :)
LP does indeed seem alot more static and i totally agree with you on the big missions always being the same LP. Im currently getting 5311LP for the big missions with my EQ43 and EQ41 agent but the same mission is 1535 for the lower EQ agent. I do notice however that the ISK rewards and the bonus times change more often than not but even those are also subject to balancing.
Chribba is tweeking eve-search etc atm so its hard to find any relevent threads with dev quotes that have actually stated this dynamic mission rewards adjustments.
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band0fdevs
Gallente Band of Dev's
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Posted - 2007.07.06 11:23:00 -
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it might just take a while until the level 5s sort themselves out
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Heikki
Gallente Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.06 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Impolite Andevil following the discussion of lev 5s
That could give you rather biased view of the situation.
That is, those who somehow figure ways to do them effectively for good profit stay quiet and hope CCP doesn't hit with nerfbat.
Those who won't get expected gains will just give up, and perhaps complain on forums.
Hence the real situation in most such issues is be better than appears from forums.
-Lasse who remembers people complainging about 10/10 complex risk/reward ratios
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2007.07.06 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Paigan Tbh, that whole talking about dynamich adjusting of mission rewards sounds like a fake to me. I've done thousands of mission and afaik, certain missions ALWAYS brought and bring the same fixed amount of LP (i remember having 7272 for every "big" level4 mission at a certain agent. The only time this number changed was when i brought my connection skills from 3/3 to 4/4). The numbers are even the same after major patches.
So until PROVEN otherwise, i claim that there is no such thing like dynamisch player-dependant misson reward adjustment OR maybe that it exists but does not work.
That is because there is a LP cap. And all the BIG missions are probably way beyond the cap, so there is no fluctuation in them. It is the small ones you have to look out for, I am fairly sure I have seen changes in LP rewards for missions like duo of death.
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Ezra
Gallente Calista Industries Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.08 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Paigan Tbh, that whole talking about dynamich adjusting of mission rewards sounds like a fake to me. I've done thousands of mission and afaik, certain missions ALWAYS brought and bring the same fixed amount of LP (i remember having 7272 for every "big" level4 mission at a certain agent. The only time this number changed was when i brought my connection skills from 3/3 to 4/4). The numbers are even the same after major patches.
So until PROVEN otherwise, i claim that there is no such thing like dynamisch player-dependant misson reward adjustment OR maybe that it exists but does not work.
It has been proven otherwise, and confirmed by CCP. Major patches do NOT reset the dynamic adjustments, and no one has claimed that. It's new missions that didn't exist before that are subject to dynamic adjustments. It happens every time a new patch comes out, there will be lots of "OMG THIS NEW MISSION WAS SO HARD BUT ONLY HAD <really low number> ISK/LP REWARD!" posts for 1-2 weeks until the new missions added with that patch adjust.
With L1s through L4s, enough people just accept that a few missions will be duds for a few weeks and do them anyway, but with L5s, currently ALL missions are "duds", so people just say "screw it" and go do L4s instead. The end result is that the missions don't adjust because no one is running them, and no one is running them because they haven't adjusted yet.
Rather than starting low and adjusting upwards, CCP needs to make new missions start high and adjust downwards, or at least start in the middle. ------------ Ezra Cornell
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