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Death Kill
Caldari direkte
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Posted - 2007.07.05 13:15:00 -
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How long does it take to train a puppy to get used to beeing in a cage alone?
I'm playing EVE with headphones at full volume and I can still hear the WUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMBULANCE
Originally by: myself The Amarr templar joke is a joke stupid people can laugh at. Its the joke any dumb person can laugh at.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.07.05 13:20:00 -
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A cage? -
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Plaetean
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.05 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn A cage?
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Death Kill
Caldari direkte
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Posted - 2007.07.05 13:23:00 -
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Yes the puppy gots to get used to being in a cage. Nothing unusual about that.
Originally by: myself The Amarr templar joke is a joke stupid people can laugh at. Its the joke any dumb person can laugh at.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.07.05 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill Yes the puppy gots to get used to being in a cage. Nothing unusual about that.
Umm, there is around here? The only people I know who would keep a dog in a cage are professional trainers and wouldn't be asking for help on the EVE-O Fora. -
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Steve Holt
Turbulent
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Posted - 2007.07.05 13:34:00 -
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we got a kenel for our dog witch is a wooden kage really. and well my sister spent more time in it trying to get the dog into it. had it two years and he would still rather sit outside in the rain then use it.
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laotse
Firing Squad Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.05 14:16:00 -
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it take,s about 2 3 week,s if you leave him alone and not come down because then he have his wish sit it out or take him with you http://80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.05 14:20:00 -
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You could throw it down the stairs. It seems to be the trend with EVE-O pet owners atm. --------
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mamolian
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.05 14:21:00 -
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Nothing unusual about keeping a dog in a cage?
Where the **** do you people come from..
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zwerg
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.07.05 14:22:00 -
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cage? alone? wuuuuuf?
mine is always warming my feed when i play.
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.07.05 14:42:00 -
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i find puppies respond best to sarcasm.
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super canard
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2007.07.05 14:46:00 -
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give it the happy stick -
Basically you hit it behind the ear with a stick - if he survives, he'll be groggy for a while - usually he won't bother you much for a while. - not that I'd do that, but I remember that advice from some dude on a video on a erm - website - with ... girls.. and men. so not necessarly the most serious site for pet advices - but it sticked to my mind for some reason - -------------------------------------------------- No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -------------------------------------------------- |
Velsharoon
Gallente Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.07.05 15:05:00 -
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it shouldnt be alone in a cage ****head
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Death Kill
Caldari direkte
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Posted - 2007.07.05 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: mamolian Nothing unusual about keeping a dog in a cage?
Where the **** do you people come from..
n00b
Originally by: myself The Amarr templar joke is a joke stupid people can laugh at. Its the joke any dumb person can laugh at.
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Death Kill
Caldari direkte
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Posted - 2007.07.05 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: laotse it take,s about 2 3 week,s if you leave him alone and not come down because then he have his wish sit it out or take him with you
She kept whining for 20 minutes. 2 or 3 weeks? EEEEEK!
Originally by: myself The Amarr templar joke is a joke stupid people can laugh at. Its the joke any dumb person can laugh at.
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Miss Anthropy
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.07.05 15:33:00 -
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Why did you get a dog if you're just going to cage it?
NERF AMARR!
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Mary Makepeace
Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.07.05 15:46:00 -
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why not take it out for a walk down the park. play with it for a bit, do some obedience training then take it home feed it and put it in its cage.
it will be happy and tired and will rest. never reinforce any whining. stick to a pattern. never negatively reinforce. when the dog has rested a bit and is quiet. go out with the leash and reward it with excersize and play again.
dogs are social(pack) critters, it wants to be social, even if social, is you shouting at it to to shut up. so whine -> gets shouting, is reward!
you are intrinsically trying to alter its natural instincts for company by putting it in a cage, so it will take a lot more work in training than the behavior of being close to its pack.
dogs are hard work. thats why i like cats.
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MrTriggerHappy
Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.05 15:49:00 -
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Dogs dont like to be locked away, they love attention and if your locking it in a cage you shouldnt be a dog owner.
As someone previously stated - only professional dog owners use cages with their animals and thats for transporting them. --------------------------------
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Miss Anthropy
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.07.05 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Mary Makepeace
dogs are hard work. thats why i like cats.
Ditto. Cats win. Only people who want to punish themselves by making their lives harder buy dogs.
NERF AMARR!
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R'olyat
Gallente Four Rings D-L
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Posted - 2007.07.05 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: R''olyat on 05/07/2007 15:53:13 wow what a bunch of hippies.
In some places dogs NEED to be caged, for example and apartment or a rented house, especially puppies. I'm sure it's not in it's cage 24/7. But puppies shouldn't be aloud to roam around the house until they have been properly house trained.
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Death Kill
Caldari direkte
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Posted - 2007.07.05 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Death Kill on 05/07/2007 15:54:11
Originally by: Miss Anthropy Why did you get a dog if you're just going to cage it?
Jesus why do people have to be this thick? Its not like she will be LIVING in a cage, its just to make her customed for it, as when going on vacation up in my cabin in the mountains she will be in a car for 4 hours and then she will be in a cage in the back of the car.
All you morons whining about 'you cant cage a dog' are rubbish n00bs and can educate yourself here http://www.canineconcepts.co.uk/ccp51/cc/dog-training/dog-crate.shtml
Originally by: myself The Amarr templar joke is a joke stupid people can laugh at. Its the joke any dumb person can laugh at.
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Death Kill
Caldari direkte
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Posted - 2007.07.05 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: R'olyat Edited by: R''olyat on 05/07/2007 15:53:13 wow what a bunch of hippies.
In some places dogs NEED to be caged, for example and apartment or a rented house, especially puppies. I'm sure it's not in it's cage 24/7. But puppies shouldn't be aloud to roam around the house until they have been properly house trained.
Thank you!
Originally by: myself The Amarr templar joke is a joke stupid people can laugh at. Its the joke any dumb person can laugh at.
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James Swindle
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Posted - 2007.07.05 15:58:00 -
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I've had my dog since he was a puppy, and I have never kept him in a cage. Why on earth do you need to keep the dog in a cage anyway???
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R'olyat
Gallente Four Rings D-L
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Posted - 2007.07.05 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: R''olyat on 05/07/2007 16:00:25
Originally by: James Swindle I've had my dog since he was a puppy, and I have never kept him in a cage. Why on earth do you need to keep the dog in a cage anyway???
To keep him from taking a dump on the floor when you're not watching, or maybe tearing something up.
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Micheal Dietrich
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Posted - 2007.07.05 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Anthropy
Originally by: Mary Makepeace
dogs are hard work. thats why i like cats.
Ditto. Cats win. Only people who want to punish themselves by making their lives harder buy dogs.
Oh man I couldn't live without my dog. I got him from a customer 2 years ago when I bartended and he was about 4 weeks old. Rotweiler/golden retreiver mix which makes him a rotten retreiver. Now he gets to spend time on 10 acres of ranch. He eats hay with the horses, pulls boulders out of the ground and chases them down the hill, takes up the couch, and gets the passenger seat without a cage (although I have to put the doors on when I take him cause he has a tendency to jump out and chase cattle). The difference between dogs and cats is mainly that dogs are much more loyal and stick to your side while cats generally do their own thing until they want food.
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Neon Genesis
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.07.05 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill Edited by: Death Kill on 05/07/2007 15:54:11
Originally by: Miss Anthropy Why did you get a dog if you're just going to cage it?
Jesus why do people have to be this thick? Its not like she will be LIVING in a cage, its just to make her customed for it, as when going on vacation up in my cabin in the mountains she will be in a car for 4 hours and then she will be in a cage in the back of the car.
All you morons whining about 'you cant cage a dog' are rubbish n00bs and can educate yourself here http://www.canineconcepts.co.uk/ccp51/cc/dog-training/dog-crate.shtml
Your original post is misleading as hell.
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Mary Makepeace
Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.07.05 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
The difference between dogs and cats is mainly that dogs are much more loyal and stick to your side while cats generally do their own thing until they want food.
lmao, absolutely, dogs are pack orintated, cats are nocturnal solo hunters. cats do have their loyalties and the main one is food, if you are feeding a cat its yours. but they can be quite companionable as well. follow you around and seek comfort by your side. they can even enjoy excersize traing, be trained for groooming and travel. a house cat/lap cat is actually just a big kitten as they never have to leave their mother, the owner, who feeds and grooms(pats) it, so don't have adault cat behaviour.
i can understand why people like dogs, i have a background problem likeing them as i grew up in the country where there a lot of irresponsible pet owners and found too many of my pets (rabits, cats, kittens, chickens) torn apart by dogs.
as to training a dog to a cage, the only thing it can do in one is rest, so try to make sure it wants rest when it goes in.
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GM Zhainius
Game Masters
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Posted - 2007.07.05 16:38:00 -
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It pretty much depends on the dog.. Some get used to it in 2 weeks, some I'll let you know when he does.. 1 year and counting.
Yes people putting a dog in a cage to get him used to it is quite normal, you need to get them accustomed for the travel, or for when you're out of the house to go say shopping and you don't want them tearing up your house.
You rather people take them with them in the burning sun and leave them in a locked car ?
There's 2 sides to every story :)
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Kalahari Wayrest
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Posted - 2007.07.05 16:38:00 -
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Your original post is misleading as hell.
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Finley II
Caldari Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.07.05 17:00:00 -
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I have crate-trained dozens of dogs and to this day the most successful technique has been to put a blanket down inside the crate and then place a hot water bottle and a wind up alarm clock (the kind that goes tick-tick-tick) under the blanket in the back of the crate. This will simulate the presence of the mother or another dog. It will still take a 2-3 weeks for the pup to get accustomed to its surroundings, but stick to a routine and the two of you will be alright.
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zwerg
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.07.05 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: R'olyat Edited by: R''olyat on 05/07/2007 16:00:25
Originally by: James Swindle I've had my dog since he was a puppy, and I have never kept him in a cage. Why on earth do you need to keep the dog in a cage anyway???
To keep him from taking a dump on the floor when you're not watching, or maybe tearing something up.
Some puppies are VERY mischievous and have to be kept in a cage when the owner is busy until they have been trained not to do such things.
when i got my dog ( 1month puppuy ) i played with him 24/7 for like 3 month, went out with him and taught him how to be nice ( toilet, wuff wuff etc. ) and after this time he got a really nice one without any problems for me.
of course this doesnt work if you get the puppy and get it into a cage asap ( if its only 5 moinutes a day )
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Ixianus
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Posted - 2007.07.05 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: Ixianus on 05/07/2007 17:16:17 You shouldnt leave your dog in a cage alone... For extended periods anyway. A couple of hours a day at most "locked" in a kennel. Your dog should like its resting place, like a dog bed. And should return to it on its own to sleep and the like. Finley is correct though. If youre indeed training the dog to be in the car with you, Id imagine its not going to be "alone" as youre going to be within some feet of it, misleading indeed. Whenever we need to contain a dog, we just put it in a small pin, which you can buy the supplies for most anywhere. Additionally, Ive driven with "Minnie," the family weiner dog many a time, I just let her sleep on the back seat, or if I dont have anything in the passenger seat, in the front seat.
Caging dogs for long periods, as you implied in your first post, isnt something that should be done, makes the dog unhappy. And as other have said, if you dont want to interact with the dog, and its just going to be a drain on your income, then give it away. Get a dog if you want to play with it and such.
Yeah, Ive seen a fellow take care of his dog by kicking the cage down the stairs, with the dog in it, then hosing out the poo thats been accumulating for who knows how long. Perhaps if you posted originally without sounding like an animal abuser people wouldnt have assumed you were.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.07.05 19:03:00 -
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That's some badly behaved dogs you people have.
Stick it in a cage because it'll tear the place up? You fail at dog ownership.
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Krulla
Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.05 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: mamolian Nothing unusual about keeping a dog in a cage?
Where the **** do you people come from..
Um, it's pretty standard just about everywhere.
If you want a dog to become used to sleeping in his cage (Note; Most dog cages are actually quite roomy and also padded, and have a water, sometimes food dispenser, so it's not exactly inhumane treatment), or used to staying in it while traveling, you keep the puppy in there for the first few weeks while he's sleeping (or in the evening, when he should be sleeping). It's very very common and not inhumane at all.
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Death Kill
Caldari direkte
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Posted - 2007.07.05 20:41:00 -
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I think the anti cage peope are kids who dont hold jobs.
Originally by: myself The Amarr templar joke is a joke stupid people can laugh at. Its the joke any dumb person can laugh at.
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Miss Anthropy
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.07.05 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill I think the anti cage peope are kids who dont hold jobs.
I'm 30 and have been in the same job for 4 or 5 years (it's been so long I've forgotten). You're wrong and you now have to eat your own words.
NERF AMARR!
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Krulla
Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.05 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Anthropy
Originally by: Death Kill I think the anti cage peope are kids who dont hold jobs.
I'm 30 and have been in the same job for 4 or 5 years (it's been so long I've forgotten). You're wrong and you now have to eat your own words.
You're wrong. It's just because people see "cage" and "animal" in the same sentance and freak out.
Raising a dog is exactly like raising a child. If you spoil it, it will not behave, and be, well, a bad dog. You need to be a bit harsh to them. Not physically harsh, I would never hit any dog, but discipline is needed.
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Travis050
Ferrus Syndicate Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.07.05 21:09:00 -
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get a cat!
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Shalia Ripper
Caldari High4Life Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.05 21:28:00 -
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My dog (a 75 pound American Pit Bull Terrier) sleeps and spends the day when I am not at home in his "house", a large dog crate. He almost never spends any time in there when I am home (usually sleeping on the couch or in the back yard barking at everyone that walks by.
I started him early on the crate by having him in one during the day. He used to never sleep in it at night, but once he got big enough to take up too much of the bed, he no longer got to sleep on the bed with me. The crate has NEVER been a "discipline" tool. He has no problem going in there. He also gets attention when he is out of his crate, which is critical so as to not develop abandonment issues, which can cause behavioral problems.
Oh, and he eats every pad I put in there....so now it is unpadded. I get tired of cleaning up the mess.
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Micheal Dietrich
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Posted - 2007.07.05 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Krulla
Originally by: Miss Anthropy
Originally by: Death Kill I think the anti cage peope are kids who dont hold jobs.
I'm 30 and have been in the same job for 4 or 5 years (it's been so long I've forgotten). You're wrong and you now have to eat your own words.
You're wrong. It's just because people see "cage" and "animal" in the same sentance and freak out.
Raising a dog is exactly like raising a child. If you spoil it, it will not behave, and be, well, a bad dog. You need to be a bit harsh to them. Not physically harsh, I would never hit any dog, but discipline is needed.
May want to use another word other than harsh. I spoil my dog all the time and yet he still understands the rules. He doesn't get into the trash, I can leave him unattended for up to 10 hours without him using the floor as a bathroom. He'll return if I call him. In return he gets to lay on the couch and he even gets a spot on the bed. He's allowed near the dinner table as long as he doesn't beg. It's all a matter of making sure they know who's boss.
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Posted - 2007.07.05 22:05:00 -
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This isn't as cruel as it sounds. I have used this method to train my German Shepard. It was used to get her used to being alone for long periods. She was kept in the cage over night.
The first night was awful. I didn't sleep a wink because of the noise. But you can't go down and comfort it because it then learns making that noise gets you to respond.
All in all it should only take a couple of nights. House training is really easy and should only take 1-2 weeks, I was lucky, German shepards are very intelligent dogs and mine has very good breeding making my life easy!!!!
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Death Kill
Caldari direkte
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Posted - 2007.07.05 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: Death Kill on 05/07/2007 22:19:01
Originally by: Miss Anthropy
EDIT: You really should have reworded your OP like the others have said. You wouldn't have been judged so harshly at first if you'd done so.
I assumed people here had the mental capacity to piece two and two together. Krulla and GM Zhainius managed to figure it out, unlike the rest of the wuaaaambulance squad.
And, I have a Doberman and they are to receive strict training on account of not being lapdogs.
Originally by: myself The Amarr templar joke is a joke stupid people can laugh at. Its the joke any dumb person can laugh at.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.07.05 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill Edited by: Death Kill on 05/07/2007 22:19:01
Originally by: Miss Anthropy
EDIT: You really should have reworded your OP like the others have said. You wouldn't have been judged so harshly at first if you'd done so.
I assumed people here had the mental capacity to piece two and two together. Krulla and GM Zhainius managed to figure it out, unlike the rest of the wuaaaambulance squad.
And, I have a Doberman and they are to receive strict training on account of not being lapdogs.
Yes, everyone's first assumption on hearing that someone has locked a puppy in a cage and are trying to drown out the whining should be that it is being done with good reason.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.05 23:10:00 -
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Edited by: Patch86 on 05/07/2007 23:11:08
Originally by: Death Kill Edited by: Death Kill on 05/07/2007 22:19:01
Originally by: Miss Anthropy
EDIT: You really should have reworded your OP like the others have said. You wouldn't have been judged so harshly at first if you'd done so.
I assumed people here had the mental capacity to piece two and two together. Krulla and GM Zhainius managed to figure it out, unlike the rest of the wuaaaambulance squad.
And, I have a Doberman and they are to receive strict training on account of not being lapdogs.
All your OP says is "How do you leave a dog in a cage alone, mine is making so much noise I can't play my game". Sorry if people interpreted that as...well, how do I leave my dog in a cage alone without it whining.
I owned a doberman (dead now, bless it). It wasn't anymore difficult to train than any other dog I've been involved with. You've just got to keep on top of the negative reinforcement, since they can be a bit...chewy. You know, dog whistle or shaker or spray gun or whatever you want to use.
Don't really know about travel cages, since I've never used one. With a dog the size of a doberman, unless you're planning of flying it places it's easier just to travel with it on a leash.
EDIT: Doberman cross actually, come to mention it. Could never be arsed with the whole pedigree thing. Can't remember what it was crossed with now though...possibly some sort of collie. --------
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Tarquin Tarquinius
Gallente Escorts of Eve
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Posted - 2007.07.05 23:41:00 -
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My dog never got used to the cage. He would whine until he fell asleep, then he'd whine some more when he woke up.
He still can't stand being alone. Whether I lock him in my room or if I go outside and leave him with the entire house to himself, he still whines and barks.
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Posted - 2007.07.06 01:12:00 -
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If you're going to train it, train it properly; be firm, but not abusive. Reward, but don't gush over it. Always keep in mind what a pack of wild dogs would do. You want them to understand that you're the "alpha" of your "pack", and that the position is not up for grabs. For example:
- When you give them a toy or treat, give them 5 minutes to play/chew on it, then come back and make a slow movement to pick up the item. If the dog snarls or growls at you, take away the item and scold it. If he/she lets you pick it up without any fuss, praise it/give it some rubs and return the toy.
- When you give them a treat, make them sit and wait for atleast a minute before you offer it. Never let your dog get so excited that it accidentally bites you, because it may just smart when they nip your fingers, but they can really hurt childern or other pets if they think aggression is acceptable.
- Tone is everything; when you're mad, sound mad. When you're pleased with them, sound happy. I find that our dogs respond better to me and my father, as our voices are deep and commanding, where it takes my sister or mother several repeats of the same command to get the dogs to do the same.
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laotse
Firing Squad Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.06 01:21:00 -
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i have 2 dog,s and i work all day if you teach them you can go 8 hours and dont have to put your dog in to a cage if you work longer then that please dont take a dog because you dont have the time for them imo! i like you to see when you need a pis and have to wait in a cage for to many hours? so make some wise disesoins next time http://80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg
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