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Angmar Da'Kirith
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Posted - 2007.07.08 18:48:00 -
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Hi! I'd like to know if 5 days for learning V justifies the 0.2 increment on all attributes, thanks!
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Jaabaa
Minmatar Dental Drilling Corporation
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Posted - 2007.07.08 18:50:00 -
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Depends how long you are going to play EVE.
After 4 years, I with I had done that right at the beginning |
Angmar Da'Kirith
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Posted - 2007.07.08 19:08:00 -
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well, I need to do lots of things so at least 1 year...4 years seems so much to me :D
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Estel Arador
Minmatar AFK
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Posted - 2007.07.08 19:16:00 -
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Tripoli has calculated that it will take 243-406 days to pay off, depending on your attributes (higher = less days to pay off). =AFK=
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.07.08 19:16:00 -
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Its worth it if you donĘt have many skills you need know but heard about a lot you want due out later or cannot afford now. Passive shield tanking guide click here |
Jack Target
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.07.08 19:31:00 -
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I'm training most of my advanced learning skills to V !
It's a frustrating wait, but it will be satisfying to know that few players will be able to train as fast as me.
I'm looking forward to accruing millions of SPs, and I intend to play EvE for years.
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Segmentor
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.07.08 19:34:00 -
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If you are talking about the skill "Learning", yes. If you are taking about tier 1 learning skills "Iron Will, Analytical Mind, Empathy, instant Recall, Spatial Awareness", Yes. Otherwise, no, unless you have gimped starting attributes. -
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damo atso
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Posted - 2007.07.08 20:47:00 -
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the best thing i did wen i started was train science to 3 and then cybernetics allowing you to fit implants to increase attributes by 3 each. You can pick up a set for about 40 mil i think. (more if you want more than +3 increase tho) That makes a big big difference to your training time. not sure if uv already done this so so ignore if u have
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Angmar Da'Kirith
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Posted - 2007.07.08 21:50:00 -
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Thanks to all your replies. I had the basic learning skills to 5 and the advanced to 4 but only the learning skill to 4. Looking to the description it seems that this skill at level 5 add 1 point in each of the attributes, is it true? By now to 4 they should be 0.8 more, so 4 days for a 0.2 is really worth?
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damo atso
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Posted - 2007.07.08 21:53:00 -
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as it says above, its only really worth it if your playing for a year or more
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.07.08 22:54:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 08/07/2007 22:56:27
Originally by: Angmar Da'Kirith Thanks to all your replies. I had the basic learning skills to 5 and the advanced to 4 but only the learning skill to 4. Looking to the description it seems that this skill at level 5 add 1 point in each of the attributes, is it true? By now to 4 they should be 0.8 more, so 4 days for a 0.2 is really worth?
It's 2% of EXISTING attributes per level, for a total of 10% at L5. Below, comparison without learning and with L5 learning.
So if you have 16 cha (3 base, 5 basic learning, 4 adv learning, +4 implant) you get +1.6 cha (, total 17.6 But if you had say 28 cha (13 base, 5 basic learning, 5 advanced learning, +5 implant), you get +2.8 cha, for a total of 30.8 On the flipside, if you only have 3 cha (3 base, no learnings, no implants) it only gives you +0.3 cha, for a total of 3.3
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WhitePhantom
Gallente Edenists
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Posted - 2007.07.09 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Angmar Da'Kirith Thanks to all your replies. I had the basic learning skills to 5 and the advanced to 4 but only the learning skill to 4. Looking to the description it seems that this skill at level 5 add 1 point in each of the attributes, is it true? By now to 4 they should be 0.8 more, so 4 days for a 0.2 is really worth?
Quote: 5 * .2 = 1 5 * 1/5 = 1 5/1 * 1/5 = 1
Its 5 days for a full point as .8 of a attr does less then 1.0 of a attr
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Efernal
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Posted - 2007.07.09 19:51:00 -
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I just started playing eve and ive already found a skill that will give 20% to all on level 1. lean the skill biology. If you havent already done so. It only takes like 20 minutes to train to level 1.
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Zulana Chas
Red Ballz
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Posted - 2007.07.09 20:07:00 -
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Taking the time to train Learning V , is in my thought worth the time, its not to extreme to learn the skill and I though about the fact that it effect all my attributes so you get a bonus on every skill you train for both its Primary and Secondary attribute, this is unlike any other learning skill that only effects a single attribute.
For the short amount of time it take to complete Learning V , its more worth it.
It could also be worth it to take the Advanced Perception Skill to V and possibly Intelligence , but I am unsure about that.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar AFK
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Posted - 2007.07.09 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Efernal I just started playing eve and ive already found a skill that will give 20% to all on level 1. lean the skill biology. If you havent already done so. It only takes like 20 minutes to train to level 1.
Biology doesn't give a bonus to your attributes. It gives a bonus to boosters (an item type) which affect your attributes. Most players will never use boosters. =AFK=
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.07.09 23:30:00 -
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WTB: attribute boosters. AFAIK, they were completely scrapped.
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DeileonCloneBeta
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Posted - 2007.07.12 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: DeileonCloneBeta on 12/07/2007 23:32:27 If you want some of the approximate breakeven times...
Learning 5: 251 Days (~8.5 months) Advanced 4 (all): 253 Days (~8.5 months) Cybernetics 5 w/ all +5 implants: 281 Days (~9.5 months) Basic 5 (all): 475 Days (~16 months) Advanced 5 (all): over 3 1/2 years IIRC
They are "approximate" because they are based on the stats before and after for any given character. However, many (8 out of 12 Learnings+Cybernetics) are balanced out by the increase being a larger % for a longer train / smaller stat. Mathematical breakeven time for any learning can be calculated with the following formula:
(Learning train time) / [1 - (old attr / new attr)]
So for instance if it took you 4.5 days for Learning 5:
4.5 / [1 - (1.08 / 1.1)] = 247.5 Days.
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Malcanis
High4Life Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.13 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Angmar Da'Kirith Hi! I'd like to know if 5 days for learning V justifies the 0.2 increment on all attributes, thanks!
It took me ~4D 12H = 108 hours to get Learning 5. If I play EvE for another (50x108=) 5400 hours after I got it, then I will break even. That's about 7 1/2 months; so I'll be ahead as of around October. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
DeileonCloneBeta
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Posted - 2007.07.13 18:43:00 -
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Where did you get the multiplier of 50? It should be 55 in this case: [1 / (1 - 1.08/1.1)] = 55. Derivation of the breakeven time formula:
Definitions: t1 = (longer) time that would have been spent training without learning t2 = (shorter) time training the same skills after learning completion tL = time to train desired learning ao = relevant attribute score (original) an = relevant attribute score (new, after learning completion)
Training a learning "sets you back" in terms of useful skills. Breakeven is the point where you have identical non-learning SP compared to what you would have had without the learning. Visually:
[----------- t1 -----------] [-- tL --][------ t2 ------]
Eq.1: t1 = tL + t2
We also know that training speed is directly proportional to attribute score, so by speed = SP / time, training TIME will be inversely proportional:
Eq.2: t2 / t1 = ao / an
The rest is algebra:
(Eq.2) t2 = t1 * (ao/an) (Sub.) t1 = tL + t1 * (ao/an) (Alg.) t1 - t1 * (ao/an) = tL (" ") t1 * [1 - (ao/an)] = tL (" ") t1 = tL / [1 - (ao/an)]
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