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MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 16:30:00 - [1] Edited by: MotherMoon on 11/07/2007 16:35:28 Edited by: MotherMoon on 11/07/2007 16:29:38 I found an article that when poof a few days later about isk selling sites merging to try to sell thier isk. the price has dropped to 3$ for 100 mil alliances are tricking 100's of farmers with false safety in 0.0 by having them pay the alliance to be there and then blowing them out of the sky (awesome story on EvE TV) so basically no one is buying isk the farmers get becoming paranoid of the eve community because we are jerks to them do you think they were expecting a wow community full of kids with credits cards? if they were they were very mistaken. eve has only grown and yet the price has dropped did you know the first isk sale was 1 mil for 400$ on ebay? fun little EOn fact point is huzzah the reason why were getting spamed in channels about buying isk is because were driving them broke. and all of those isk farmers will have to get jobs farming gold. I kinda wonder why they are still here even.... they can't be making any sort of good money anymore. but congratz to the eve community for being more mature than wow :) yes I'm basically talking to myself but I thought someone might be interesting in knowing were almost at the end of this isk war no comments needed this can sink to the bottom ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 16:45:00 - [2] yup there is no way CCP can jsut shut them out but we can fight them! never give up! never surrender! ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 16:57:00 - [3] and unlike wow where players don't feel gold buying we all cry a little when someone buys isk. it seems it's not the the gaming communty that doesn't understand what eve really is but the farming world as well. farming in eve could only lead to a horrible profit. because we have real loss, meaning the farmers have to deal woith this. and we get really ****ed. how many other games get your heart pumping when you come across and try to break through a gate camp? silly farmers all they are doing is hurting themselfs also for a fun story they were advertising wow gold in a trade channel the other day lol. I guess they really are getting desperate ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:26:00 - [4] Originally by: 000Hunter000 well tbh i think buying gtc's for rl money then selling them ingame for isk is almost as bad only difference is that the money goes to ccp and not to some tyrannic sweatshop owner who beats his slave-employees thats why i will never buy isk or sell gtc's for isk. I draw the line at having multiple accounts, and even that is sorta unfair to the people who can only afford 1, and yes i do have a 2nd account as well i admit to that fully and i also admit that his soul purpose is to help out my main. (allthough some of my corpmates think i got a split personality ) there is another difference actually less petitions about being ripped off less petetions of hacked accounts less banning and the isk wasn't made with a person who is macro mining or farming for real money cash. meaning it doesn't hit the market as a 1 bil a week isk flux. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:31:00 - [5] still farmers are more paranoid of beung hated than in any other game at the moment and 3$ for 100 mil? thats my biggest point ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:36:00 - [6] Originally by: Righteous Fury Originally by: MotherMoon still farmers are more paranoid of beung hated than in any other game at the moment and 3$ for 100 mil? thats my biggest point True enough I suppose. Fountain farmers have been complaining of a lack of profits due to hostile activity. It really doesn't take much to quell an isk farmer infestation other than some dedicated pilots. Its the people who actually support the isk farmers and let them farm in peace that are bringing the game down. kudos to you sir keep up the fight ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:40:00 - [7] your forgetting all of those other games are one more than one server there is a very BIG difference ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:45:00 - [8] Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Caios Somehow, I don't think this has anything to do with a drop in buyers. I don't think people who buy isk in the first place would be detered by arguments against doing so. This has happened in a lot of MMOs I've played. Sellers spot demand and an untapped market, they move in. Buyers start a boom, more sellers move in. Prices go down, which increases demand. After a certain point, the sellers reach critical mass, with constant undercutting and increased hostility from the community rendering the venture no longer profitable. A bunch of sellers move on to another game, leaving a few remnants to cater to the stable population of regular buyers. Maybe the worst is over. Sounds about right... CCP is the only one who can end/curb this, not the players themselves... but the players are ending this already not many mature games buy isk when they can card trade ok listyen here is the difference a player buying a month of time for isk is PLAYING eve as in they want to keep playing and blowing people up. meaning they are down 200mil but get a month of game time. in the player driven econmy he has less money now. a farmer has a throw away account and will never use the isk. a farmer doesn't play. and thus when you uy isk form a farmer instead of a player that player isn't losing anything. they are just getting rich. With the trading system isk farmers will never exist. because whats the point of trading isk for game time? the only point to this would be to play eve. and thus partiapate in the eve economy is anything I'm saying making sence? ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:57:00 - [9] Originally by: Chevy Prefect I believe CCP is being extremely shortsighted in the ISK, character, and item selling policy. An open exchange for ISK against various world currencies could be run by CCP. Money would flow in and out of game, but if you look into the example of Second Life, I believe you will find a big inflow of currencies. NO the money has to come form a player if it does not then it's **** up because no one losses someone has to get a negitive effect on their account when someone else buys isk balance man blance all isk has to come form in-game somewhere farmers are what mess up the system of buying isk for money form other players . if it wasn't for farming with unlitimed ammounts of isk unlike a player who doesn't want to sell all of his isk because he doesn't want to be broke. an isk seller is happy if he is broke ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:59:00 - [10] Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: With the trading system isk farmers will never exist. because whats the point of trading isk for game time? the only point to this would be to play eve. and thus partiapate in the eve economy is anything I'm saying making sence? ISK farmers/sellers will not operate through the official trade system. There will always be players who want to buy ISK for RL cash... So there will always be a market, and there will always be ISK farmers/sellers until CCP can find and perfect a system to ban both buyers and sellers... Which, good luck, pretty hard to do. You will never END this activity completely without the game company banning those players... And CCP does not ban enough, or they let the farmers operate for far too long b4 they do so... right that's my point. you can't fix it. but a farmer is more than a person selling isk, they are a person trying to get rid of all of thier income a normal player you by form in a GCT doesn't want to loss all of their money ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 18:58:00 - [11] Originally by: Xalorn Edited by: Xalorn on 11/07/2007 18:13:13 GTC sales is what is keeping the black market 'real money trade' (aka RMT) in check. If CCP ever shuts down the 'GTC --> isk' mechanic, the unofficial RMT in eve will explode to the same levels as other games. As I understand it, the older the community demographs are, the more likely they are to use black market RMT services. Think about it. Who is more likely to have a lot of disposable income but little time? A full time working adult or a teenager with no job? [EDIT] As far as the price drop goes: "and it never drops this badly 20$ for 100mil to 3 bucks?"... Prices drop like that very quickly when a gold/isk dupe is found & the farmers are selling untold billions for little effort. If the price is steady dropping over months, then its probably has to do with a lack of demand for the isk service. If the price went from $20 to $3 within days or hours, its a VERY bad sign. oh no no it was 20 a year ago now it is 3 it was a very slow process ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 23:12:00 - [12] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Araxmas Originally by: Karanth Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Xalorn Edited by: Xalorn on 11/07/2007 18:13:13 STUFF oh no no it was 20 a year ago now it is 3 it was a very slow process Childish immature crap Fixed. Typos while correcting people make Baby Jesus punch kittens in the face. Hehe nice one Karanth. Vaden when you end up swearing and criticising spelling and/or grammer than you have lost the argument imo. STUFF RABBLE It's a forum, and dispite going grammer ** you seemed to have completly understood what I wrote. hmm lets review shall we? "no no, it was a change of 20$ for 100 mil to 3$ for 100mil sry about that" look I rewrote it, it still doesn't have any periods. But you can understand the topic and the point! OMG. wait... do you put periods after your posts when using in-game chat? Wow, I pity you. good to see everyone else is on my side :P next time I'm posting in l33t just to ** you off ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.12 15:51:00 - [13] Originally by: Laidback Luke Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Araxmas Originally by: Karanth Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Xalorn Edited by: Xalorn on 11/07/2007 18:13:13 STUFF oh no no it was 20 a year ago now it is 3 it was a very slow process Childish immature crap Fixed. Typos while correcting people make Baby Jesus punch kittens in the face. Hehe nice one Karanth. Vaden when you end up swearing and criticising spelling and/or grammer than you have lost the argument imo. I'm sick and ******* tired of Mothermoons complete disregard for sentence structure; notice that I've made no note to correct her spelling, as I myself rarely go back to review my own. Therefore, and attempts to further pull my "rabble" off course with your own critiques of my spelling is not going to go anywhere. As well, my pointing out of her FAILURE AT THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but rather a tangential discussion about how to present an argument. I don't care if she is right or wrong, I'll argue against whatever topic she is trying to argue for if she fails to put it on the table in an easy to read and understandable fashion. Dude, get a life. I bet you are too short sighted to imagine that her 'failure at the english language' might actually be due to her not being a native english speaker? I thought so. Or maybe because she (or he, it's an MMORPG after all) might be a dyslexic? It's people like you that destroy any chance of having a meaningful conversation... To the OP, that's an interesting trend you noticed there. I hope the downward trend continues, ISK farmers are nothing more than a total pain in the ass. I hope so as well. while demand might kill the isk sales as well what I have noticed is that they are DESPERATE to sell their isk. also think you for hitting the nail on the head. I am dyslexic. I'm not that bad though am I? Part of the reason I try to post a lot to get over this. so.. I'm sry if it really bothers some people. But it's understanable isn't it? ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.12 15:59:00 - [14] Originally by: Cybarite IMO I think the very nature of eve is inimicle to isk sellers, the only truely profitable space in eve is 0.0 and lawless. CCP won't lift a finger to stop scams, griefing, harrasment or any other form of player retaliation, whereas other MMO's usually have a policy against it and a GM you can cry to. Unlike wow when you die in eve you lose your equipment and anything you were carrying, so that farming isk is inherently dangerous. CCP won't stop people from steeling your ore, and the most efficient way to mine it requires you to move it to cans where it can be stolen before transfering it to a hauler. In essence EVE is a harsh and unforgiving environment, ammasing large amounts of ISK takes large amounts of time dedication and most importantly organization. In EVE simply farming ISK isn't an option, you have to fight for survival, this makes it alot harder to farm the ISK effeciently. Add to this competition from GTC buyers (they're the ones competing with the isk sellers) and it becomes even harder for them to make a profit. makes me wonder how stressed out the farmers get or why they are still playing :P ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.12 18:50:00 - [15] Originally by: Hera Integra Buying and Selling ISK in a "professional" way turn games into a business. And by allowing people with deeper pockets iRL to buy in game currency gives them an unfair advantage over those who can't afford that kind of stuff. In a game it shouldn't matter if you are poor or rich iRL, we are here to have fun. Earning the things you want the real way makes them so much more enjoyable. To say it with an ancient EverQuest NPC phrase: You have ruined your own lands, you will not ruin mine! Evil ISK sellers. the bigger problem is not people with more money making more isk. I'm not saying it's not a problem. but compared to the real problem it's nothing. CCP doesn't want people to use thier game as a way to profit in Real life. This is not poker on-line, this is EvE-online. Isk sellers are a problem because they are trying to make a profit off of CCP back. The isk buyer are a problem because they promote this. so yes getting isk for money is bad. but using CCP as a profit stepping stone is disespectful of the game and the company CCP. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.28 17:42:00 - [16] Edited by: MotherMoon on 28/10/2007 17:44:16 " Originally by: MotherMoonEdited by: MotherMoon on 12/07/2007 16:02:21 the price has dropped to 3$ for 100 mil. This is because of the huge amount of farmed isk, not because the supply is low as you seem to be suggesting." GuyA: Hey, trit is up today! it's 3.60 the supply must be greater than the demand. Karlemgne: This is because of the huge amount of mined isk, not because the supply is low as you seem to be suggesting your logic moves in circles my friend, ask yourself why the supply is high for isk, could it be.... that demand is low!???!?!?! no that doesn't make sense :P p.s.(WoW this crawled out of no where) also I can't say anything bad about the rest of your views, I agree more or less. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.28 18:13:00 - [17] Originally by: Graven Stein Originally by: Jenny Spitfire There will be families out in teh cold. :( They could always switch to farming characters. like I think I said somewhere, if they did this is WoW instead of eve wouldn't they make more money??? ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.28 18:37:00 - [18] Originally by: Devious Syn In all honestly GTC sells is what killed farmers, not that the eve community is above buying isk. Why buy isk that might get your account banned when you can do it another way totally legally?. Personally I think EVERY mmo should do what eve does. I'm not sure that was in place when I made this thread :P ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...

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