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Boonaki
Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.07.12 12:16:00 -
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Currently when a carrier is in triage mode and a dread is in siege, they can't be remotely repaired, I find this rather annoying as nos still effects them. The thought behind triage was to get carriers into POS and fleet fights. As soon as you click that siege or triage mod your on your own for the most part.
With players being able to man the POS guns and fleet fights involving capitals more and more, should they not get the ability to remote rep each other?
Or would that make super capital fleets unkillable?
Discuss. Fear the Ibis of doom!
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Chronus26
Gallente Team Laser Explosion Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.12 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Boonaki Currently when a carrier is in triage mode and a dread is in siege, they can't be remotely repaired, I find this rather annoying as nos still effects them. The thought behind triage was to get carriers into POS and fleet fights. As soon as you click that siege or triage mod your on your own for the most part.
With players being able to man the POS guns and fleet fights involving capitals more and more, should they not get the ability to remote rep each other?
Or would that make super capital fleets unkillable?
Discuss.
10 Carriers in Triage (1 remote armor Rep each) can remote repair 12,000 HP per second on a near-constant if not constant basis. Add to that 10 Dreads shooting a POS and you have a bunch of ships that can't be killed barring massive lag issues. If they have enough Stront with them they can sit there for hours.
Similarly if 2 Triage Carriers got into trouble, they could just Hit Triage and Remote rep each other. The Carrier taking damage could run its own reps and recieve Reps from the other, to a total of 2480 raw HP per second. Now assume that both Carriers have all-round resists of say.. 75% and thats 9920 DPS tanked.
Thats why you can't Remote Rep Carriers/Dreads in Triage/Siege. I've always found it strange that NOS has an effect, but I guess everything has to have some kind of weakness, otherwise killing Dreads would be considerably more difficult I imagine. -----
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.12 14:15:00 -
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Capitals may not be invincible. Bring support to kill the ships Nossing the carrier and dread.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Kokoshu
Caldari Dawn of a new Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.12 14:17:00 -
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What about if
1) Triage wouldnt allow you to rep yourself
2) Any one repping you get the 100% bonus
3) All other bonuses still apply
Its not as if 10 cap ships together can provide a circle of peram boosting each opther anyway, and im pretty sure the idea of triage was to rep others not just yourself.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.12 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kokoshu What about if
1) Triage wouldnt allow you to rep yourself
2) Any one repping you get the 100% bonus
3) All other bonuses still apply
Its not as if 10 cap ships together can provide a circle of peram boosting each opther anyway, and im pretty sure the idea of triage was to rep others not just yourself.
If you cannot rep yourself you would simple be swarmed by celestis, everyoen would loose lock and you would have a slow death.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Bluestealth
BlueLabs
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Posted - 2007.07.12 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Kokoshu What about if
1) Triage wouldnt allow you to rep yourself
2) Any one repping you get the 100% bonus
3) All other bonuses still apply
Its not as if 10 cap ships together can provide a circle of peram boosting each opther anyway, and im pretty sure the idea of triage was to rep others not just yourself.
If you cannot rep yourself you would simple be swarmed by celestis, everyoen would loose lock and you would have a slow death.
Except if you are not affected by EW like dread in siege?... haven't cared enough to check... bah logistics 5 for this crap
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Chronus26
Gallente Team Laser Explosion Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.12 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Bluestealth
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Kokoshu What about if
1) Triage wouldnt allow you to rep yourself
2) Any one repping you get the 100% bonus
3) All other bonuses still apply
Its not as if 10 cap ships together can provide a circle of peram boosting each opther anyway, and im pretty sure the idea of triage was to rep others not just yourself.
If you cannot rep yourself you would simple be swarmed by celestis, everyoen would loose lock and you would have a slow death.
Except if you are not affected by EW like dread in siege?... haven't cared enough to check... bah logistics 5 for this crap
Correct, Triage'd Carrier cannot be affected by EW. -----
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.12 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Chronus26
Originally by: Bluestealth
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Kokoshu What about if
1) Triage wouldnt allow you to rep yourself
2) Any one repping you get the 100% bonus
3) All other bonuses still apply
Its not as if 10 cap ships together can provide a circle of peram boosting each opther anyway, and im pretty sure the idea of triage was to rep others not just yourself.
If you cannot rep yourself you would simple be swarmed by celestis, everyoen would loose lock and you would have a slow death.
Except if you are not affected by EW like dread in siege?... haven't cared enough to check... bah logistics 5 for this crap
Correct, Triage'd Carrier cannot be affected by EW.
mm tought that was only siege.. mmm
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
NoNah
Marzipan Monkeys Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.12 16:22:00 -
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Anyone with ingame access at the moment care to compare 15 and 25 maintenance drones to a capital remote repper, at various skill levels and in/out of Triage?
Wouldnt be to suprised if 15(14?) maint. drones and a capital remote repper compares quite nicely to a cap remote rep in triage. Even more so with 25 on a ms.
Of course this is all theorietical calculations for fun, as it lacks any real practical use. *snip* Your signature was not EVE related. Contact [email protected] if you want to know more. (Include a link to your signature) -Wachtmeister Post count: 603333
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Christopher Dalran
Gallente Deadly Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.12 17:11:00 -
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As far as I know the + fighter control bonus on a carrier only applies to fighters and not any other drones. I could be wrong but can anyone confirm? So you can use 5 repair drones + fighters. ------------------------------- C.D's Formula for success ------------------------------- Credit Card = Game Time Card Gametime Card = ISK Therefore Credit Card = ISK.
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GC13
Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.12 17:15:00 -
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The deploy +1 fighter bonus counts for all drones, not just fighters.
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Captain carebare
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Posted - 2007.07.12 18:31:00 -
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To be honest im back in the game after a break, got myself a carrier and im sort of having a hard time understanding the point of triage mode, as you cant remote rep a dread in siege and from what I have read in this thread you cant rep another carrier thats in triage, plus triage seems to kill your speed as well so as soon as your target leaves range its all a bit pointless.
I see also a -100% max active drone mod on the items description, i take it that means you cant control any fighters when in triage, but can you assign fighters to other ppl?
oh and needing logistics 5 for this is just
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epic113
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.07.12 18:34:00 -
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stupid bloody forums, forgot it did that, yes im captain carebare^^
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NoNah
Marzipan Monkeys Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.12 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Captain carebare To be honest im back in the game after a break, got myself a carrier and im sort of having a hard time understanding the point of triage mode, as you cant remote rep a dread in siege and from what I have read in this thread you cant rep another carrier thats in triage, plus triage seems to kill your speed as well so as soon as your target leaves range its all a bit pointless.
I see also a -100% max active drone mod on the items description, i take it that means you cant control any fighters when in triage, but can you assign fighters to other ppl?
oh and needing logistics 5 for this is just
Well, see, there are non-capital ships and non-ship objects you might want to rep up. Nothing does that better than a triaged carrier. And its a last exit.
Speaking of which, I'd like to see an overheated triage module. =) *snip* Your signature was not EVE related. Contact [email protected] if you want to know more. (Include a link to your signature) -Wachtmeister Post count: 531000
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Valandril
Caldari Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2007.07.12 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
Originally by: Captain carebare To be honest im back in the game after a break, got myself a carrier and im sort of having a hard time understanding the point of triage mode, as you cant remote rep a dread in siege and from what I have read in this thread you cant rep another carrier thats in triage, plus triage seems to kill your speed as well so as soon as your target leaves range its all a bit pointless.
I see also a -100% max active drone mod on the items description, i take it that means you cant control any fighters when in triage, but can you assign fighters to other ppl?
oh and needing logistics 5 for this is just
Well, see, there are non-capital ships and non-ship objects you might want to rep up. Nothing does that better than a triaged carrier. And its a last exit.
Speaking of which, I'd like to see an overheated triage module. =)
Lag anyone ? Remote repping with current lag, desync yadda yadda is not possible, targets pop faster than it takes u to lock (lag included). And logi 5 is **** ---
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epic113
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.07.12 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
Originally by: Captain carebare To be honest im back in the game after a break, got myself a carrier and im sort of having a hard time understanding the point of triage mode, as you cant remote rep a dread in siege and from what I have read in this thread you cant rep another carrier thats in triage, plus triage seems to kill your speed as well so as soon as your target leaves range its all a bit pointless.
I see also a -100% max active drone mod on the items description, i take it that means you cant control any fighters when in triage, but can you assign fighters to other ppl?
oh and needing logistics 5 for this is just
Well, see, there are non-capital ships and non-ship objects you might want to rep up. Nothing does that better than a triaged carrier. And its a last exit.
Speaking of which, I'd like to see an overheated triage module. =)
thats sort of why i made the point about it killing your speed, if your trying to rep ppl in a fleet fight(even if lag would let you) all your gangs bs will be alligned and at full speed, and as your stuck in place, in any decent fight it will not be long before your out of range.
all that while taking away all the carriers firepower, i just cant help but think that putting 15 fighters in the mix would be of far more use, than trying to get a lock on your m8 before the enemy insta pop him
fair point about structures and stuff, i suppose reping a pos shields could be handy but if thats the only good point it just seems a bit
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Vmir Gallahasen
Gallente Omniscient Order Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.07.12 19:19:00 -
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At L4 repair drone operation and t1 repair drones:
-- No Triage Mode -- Carrier
14 Armor bots = 201.6 armor hp/s 1 Capital Remote Armor Repairer = 300 hp/s
Carrier with 14 bots and a remote repairer = 501.6 armor hp/s
Mothership 25 Armor Bots: 360 armo hp/s 1 Capital Remote Armor Repairer = 300 hp/s
Mothership with 25 bots and a remote repairer = 640 armor hp/s
-- Triage Mode -- (Carrier or Mothership): No fighters or bots of any kind. 1 Capital Remote Armor Repairer = 1200 hp/s
1200 > 501.6 comparing against a carrier 1200 > 640 comparing against a mothership
Conlusion:
Originally by: NoNah Wouldnt be to suprised if 15(14?) maint. drones and a capital remote repper compares quite nicely to a cap remote rep in triage. Even more so with 25 on a ms.
Not even close
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