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Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.07.13 10:17:00 -
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Buy and sell off station you don't even have access to.
I have made 100's of millions in the past few weeks buying stuff with regional buy orders and selling goods back to my enemies. (ESPECIALLY minerals!)
It is amazing (to me) how CCP can allow you to trade at player owned stations you don't have the right to dock at.
Oh well... this (coding quirk?) game design is my boon.
Now yours if you can find the right things to speculate on.
Happy trading.
Taikun
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2007.07.13 12:16:00 -
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That post per day suggestion is starting to look mighty fine now |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.07.13 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria That post per day suggestion is starting to look mighty fine now
With some people you have to resort to what I think is the most horrible of tactics. Absolute ignoring of the person. Any thread they start simply dies from lack of participation. Any post additions they make treat as if they do not exist. Period. The community has been pretty unanimous in their displeasure with him. He is well within his rights to continue his defiance and ongoing visual graffiti. In equal measure we have this last option before us: Shunning. The person in question simply does not exist. Perhaps I'll start a thread, like his, complaining that because CCP has not instituted a forum poster blocking feature they are guilty of encouraging visual defecation by the members of our community with the lowest IQ's.
Quote: The Eve-Online forums may not have invented whining, but they sure have perfected it.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.13 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun Buy and sell off station you don't even have access to.
I have made 100's of millions in the past few weeks buying stuff with regional buy orders and selling goods back to my enemies. (ESPECIALLY minerals!)
It is amazing (to me) how CCP can allow you to trade at player owned stations you don't have the right to dock at.
Oh well... this (coding quirk?) game design is my boon.
Now yours if you can find the right things to speculate on.
Happy trading.
Taikun
it isnt a - coding quirk - you incompetent wannabe trader the market is fully anonymous ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore
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Macon Squaredealer
Squaredeal Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.07.13 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria That post per day suggestion is starting to look mighty fine now
I didn't think it was needed when it was suggested, but now I'm starting to think I was wrong.
BTW, does this forum not have an "ignore" feature? I can't seem to find one. ___________________________________________ Watch for the Squaredeal Enterprises IPO in the coming months. |
Cherybol
Caldari Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.07.13 14:22:00 -
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Ok, you did find some quirks with CCP's trading mechanics and I support the shenanigans then. But this isn't a bug/sploit. Its a feature.
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Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.07.13 14:33:00 -
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Does anyone have a comment that petains to the topic?
I have made alot off of T2 rig stuff and reselling ships. What about you if you have used this tactic?
Taikun -----------------------------------
For lack of a better word ladies and gentlemen... Greed is good. |
Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.07.13 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 13/07/2007 15:02:36
Originally by: Cherybol But this isn't a bug/sploit. Its a feature.
I agree.
If it was a bug/exploit I wouldn't be allowed to post about it according to the rules of this forum. I'd be forced to report it via a different process.
Unless I am advised otherwise about this 'feature' you are free to use it. Otherwise... don't read the OP. It's (OMG) top secrert!
Taikun -----------------------------------
For lack of a better word ladies and gentlemen... Greed is good. |
Mr Broker
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.07.14 09:02:00 -
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Love your posts Taikun, the trade secrets you reveal bring more competition and that is sure to make you enemies.
Most of these "respectable" eve market giants are scammers anyhow, so I won't cry over their loss of some of the advantages they have been quietly enjoying for along time.
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bogir
War And Peace Construction
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Posted - 2007.07.14 10:09:00 -
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This is one of the oldest tricks / ways to trade in the book --- BUY low whit Region range buy orders.. RESELL again whit profit on SAME station as you buy whit out even moveing the stuff.. OLD news - fun WAY TO trade. so you are not that smart sins you first try playing smart on it now..
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Daeva Vios
Ardent Adversary Anvil.
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Posted - 2007.07.14 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Broker Love your posts Taikun, the trade secrets you reveal bring more competition and that is sure to make you enemies.
Most of these "respectable" eve market giants are scammers anyhow, so I won't cry over their loss of some of the advantages they have been quietly enjoying for along time.
Oh noes, all teh sekrits is escapingz.
Or not.
He hasn't even scratched the surface. The fact is, every trader has their own secrets. What Taikun's doing is making public things that you could notice within a week of watching the market and a little bit of thinking.
He's not shutting anyone down, nor really even inconveniencing anyone. What he is doing is posting non-stop things that should be placed in one thread which could then be stickied. Instead of being informative and insightful, his habit of attacking anyone who expresses anything but awe and admiration leaves him looking like a putz.
But everyone has their fanbase, I suppose
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La'yla
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Posted - 2007.07.14 21:48:00 -
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I thought the skill to create remote sell orders was bugged?
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Shin Ra
Origin Unknown.
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Posted - 2007.07.14 22:22:00 -
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I still maintain that in the long run, reselling is good for the market, thus I don't see a problem with this.
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thetwilitehour
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2007.07.15 01:11:00 -
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This will only work in a sellers market where players are pricing goods "for alliance mates" and you buying and then reselling the goods at a price the market is able to bear. Its a simple example of how altruism is in fact not a good way to run an economy. Why? Because if the seller wants to get rid of a good for less than its worth, and the buyer wants to pay more, the market is then unable to arrive at an efficient pricing schedule for goods.
You also rely of course on the market not being well serviced. If someone is making regular supply runs and you buy everything up from them at a rate above empire but below "what the market will bear" in that particular 0.0 region, they will simply start moving goods in bulk, and you'll end up with a lot of crap you can't even pick up and move.
I appreciate you trying to share your experiences, but rather than these flighty posts which seem somewhat self aggrandizing and are all over the forum, why not just put together a well edited single post/topic with trading "secrets" or experiences you have had. I think you'll get more of the respect you seem to crave, as well as not requiring people to argue or debunk or flame you in several different topics each day.
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Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.07.15 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: thetwilitehour This will only work in a sellers market where players are pricing goods "for alliance mates" and you buying and then reselling the goods at a price the market is able to bear.
It is called the market 'smash and grab'. Most stations in 0.0 have a side market where corporations sell goods and stuff to other corporations and don't really want to 'over charge' too much their alliance mates.
Many assume that marking up 100-150% over empire prices is 'unfair' to their brothers in arms. This is where I come in and snaffle up the entire market of an item. i.e Tech 2 armor repairs etc and flog em off for a decent price increase.
If it gets replaced/market restocked... oh well. I stil lhave a stack I can sell there in the future and usally already made my money back on it. All profit from that point on.
Play the market, speculate on goods because the upside pans out more often than any losses I have experienced.
Originally by: thetwilitehour I appreciate you trying to share your experiences, but rather than these flighty posts which seem somewhat self aggrandizing and are all over the forum, why not just put together a well edited single post/topic with trading "secrets" or experiences you have had.
Because I don't want to.
1. I post these for my own reasons and pleasure. 2. If others benefit so be it. That's a good thing. 3. If my posts annoy you or others. I don't really care. See points 1 and 2.
Do me a favour. I won't comment on your style and reasons for your posts and you can keep your opinions about mine to yourself. They have NOTHING to do with the topic at hand. Deal?
Taikun -----------------------------------
For lack of a better word ladies and gentlemen... Greed is good. |
Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.07.15 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun Deal?
No.
You posted this on a forum.
Forum, n., a public meeting or assembly for open discussion
Note the last two words. They cut both ways. You came into our common area and shat on the grass. We point out that, while we appreciate the fertilizer, it would be much better if you shat where the rest of us shat, so it could be applied every Thursday, when we tell people not to walk on the lawn for a day.
This is basically where a lot of us live in Eve. At least a little lip service to our ideals and standards would be appreciated. Though you are, of course, free to continue to **** where you please.
MP --
Proud steward of 47 billion isk in public money, and counting. Ask me about mineral compression! |
Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.07.15 05:46:00 -
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People in 0.0 are sometimes too lazy (and granted, interface is a bit uncomfortable to use) to keep stuff 'for alliance' in contracts where you can control who gets to get your 'alliance priced' gadgets with prices you have set to them.
Not perfect solution ofc as contracts are a lot more awkward to use than market system. In my opinion it would be good if alliances could limit market use in their controlled stations. But CCP has tried to do something on those lines and failed (like only gallente outpost having market, but in the end all had acsess to market so it's kinda hard to disable acsess to market).
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Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.07.15 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Motivated Prophet You came into our common area and shat on the grass.
I'd appriciate knowing how you you consider my original post to be 'shatting' on on grass so to speak in these forums.
I started a topic on how to use the market to make money using the current state of affairs. Some would get value from this in their particular circumstances. How many I don't know but I'd hardly call my original post to be offensive, aggressive or destructive in any way.
This is an open forum I agreee but only if posters address the topic at hand. The second you or others start attacking the poster,it becomes off-topic and you lose the right to post. (IMO) Please consider that next time you inject your commentary in my posts.
Further de-railment of this topic will result in nothing more than me unfortunately being forced to report this thread and request mod intervention to tidy it up.
Taikun -----------------------------------
For lack of a better word ladies and gentlemen... Greed is good. |
Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.07.15 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun
Originally by: Motivated Prophet You came into our common area and shat on the grass.
I'd appriciate knowing how you you consider my original post to be 'shatting' on on grass so to speak in these forums.
I started a topic on how to use the market to make money using the current state of affairs. Some would get value from this in their particular circumstances. How many I don't know but I'd hardly call my original post to be offensive, aggressive or destructive in any way.
You responded badly to thetwilitehour's request that you tidy up your own posts and put them in a single, reference-able post. You'll note quite a few of the market regulars here have done something similar, and we've aggregated them into a post of links that's stickied at the top. As it stands now, your many posts on various ways of manipulating the market will reach fewer people, because they'll keep dropping further and further into the forum, while those who followed the community's suggestions will have a far-wider audience well into the future.
Basically, you're undermining your own stated goal by spreading everything out like this. And if you seriously want to report me to the moderators for responding to a question ("I'd appreciate knowing") posted by the OP of the thread (that's you, BTW), knock yourself out.
MP --
Proud steward of 47 billion isk in public money, and counting. Ask me about mineral compression! |
Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive Animal.
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Posted - 2007.07.16 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: La'yla I thought the skill to create remote sell orders was bugged?
It is, everyone knows it is and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Originally by: Motivated Prophet You came into our common area and shat on the grass.
Priceless.
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Bailey Banks
Caldari Feet Of Clay Inc
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Posted - 2007.07.17 05:42:00 -
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If the market is deep (multiple providers for every common item) this doesn't work well, but very few 0.0 markets have any depth to them at all (most don't even have any width, not that many regions where you can buy and fit a ship from soup to nuts without bringing stuff from Empire). The real "spot value" of a module that doesn't drop locally is about 50-150% over Empire (depending on how deep in 0.0), but most alliances start having a cow and threatening to boot people if someone from their own alliance is charging them even 20% over Jita price (even though the nearest Empire market may be even higher). The pain threshold on ships is much lower, many people will fly to Empire to save 10% on the hull, but won't blink at paying double to fit it. I've been known to sell ships at cost just so I could sell the buyers the fittings at a decent markup (can you say "Loss Leader"?).
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Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.07.17 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: Bailey Banks I've been known to sell ships at cost just so I could sell the buyers the fittings at a decent markup (can you say "Loss Leader"?).
Heh.. I know what you mean. I carrier jump a whole can up of T2 playthings for my own personal use... but when I check the local market... I end up selling most of it and have to bring another can up to keep me in fittings.
So much $$ to be made... so little time...
Taikun -----------------------------------
For lack of a better word ladies and gentlemen... Greed is good. |
Liquid Vision
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2007.07.17 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun
Originally by: Bailey Banks I've been known to sell ships at cost just so I could sell the buyers the fittings at a decent markup (can you say "Loss Leader"?).
Heh.. I know what you mean. I carrier jump a whole can up of T2 playthings for my own personal use... but when I check the local market... I end up selling most of it and have to bring another can up to keep me in fittings.
So much $$ to be made... so little time...
Taikun
The most money would be made supplying war zones. . .where there are nothing but conquerable stations. . .which you don't have docking rights at. . .
So, in reality, this only works if you're selling to an NPC station (not much action) or to your own alliance/crew/whatever (in which you're effectively screwing them, right?). If this isn't the case someone show me where I'm getting this wrong.
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Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.07.17 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Liquid Vision If this isn't the case someone show me where I'm getting this wrong.
What about stations your alliance has docking rights to but doesn't actually own?
If there is nothing on the market for sale, then are you screwing friends by supplying it for a true market clearing price given 0.0 space??
Imagine if I lower my price... and enemies buy it off me and put it right back up for sale at double or triple the price. Who then is responsible for:
A: denying alliance mates of a resonably priced item? B: providing a enemy with a market based profit opportunity?
Yup... me.
The free market extends to all according to CCP dynamics. Prices in 0.0 on the market MUST reflect the actual cost of the item in 0.0 irrespective of whether you have docking rights or not. If it doesn't, it will be capitaised upon by our enemies. (Read my OP on how to make coin doign this)
That is the state of affairs in 0.0.
Taikun -----------------------------------
For lack of a better word ladies and gentlemen... Greed is good. |
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