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Aubrey Addams
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.09 14:42:00 -
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Hi !
I'm thinking about developing the fastest method to farm lvl 4 missions.
Atm I have a Paladin, and my alt comes with me with a support dps fitted Raven with T2 cruise missiles.
Now I'm thinking of traning the Raven alt char for the Golem with siege missiles, but i'm not sure if it is the best thing I choose.
So what is your advice guys for a support dps ship?
Thank you for your help!
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Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.09 14:58:00 -
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Two navy scorpions with cruise missiles. No need to run around, just sit there and blast everything to smithereens. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat desert first! |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.01.09 15:51:00 -
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Golem requires a lot TP juggling to be effective, and the torps have range issues. I doubt it would be fun to have to constantly bounce back and forth between the accounts.
A sentry domi with the sentries assisting the Paladin might require the least micro management.
You can tell me what is and isn't true when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Aubrey Addams
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.09 16:18:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Golem requires a lot TP juggling to be effective, and the torps have range issues. I doubt it would be fun to have to constantly bounce back and forth between the accounts.
A sentry domi with the sentries assisting the Paladin might require the least micro management.
How big is the torpedo range?
I can play with 2 clients windowed mode easyly, cause i have a big monitor. |
tofucake prime
The Hatchery Team Liquid
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Posted - 2012.01.09 16:37:00 -
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Use a Mach on one and then on the other use a Mach. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.01.09 16:48:00 -
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Aubrey Addams wrote: How big is the torpedo range?
With Missile Projection and Missile Bombardment at V, a 5% missile velocity implant, and two Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II rigs, you reliably get 40km with t1 torps and 60km with javelin torps. (Also, the Golem is a bit too skill and hardware intensive for the level of DPS you get for it, IMO.)
Quote:I can play with 2 clients windowed mode easyly, cause i have a big monitor. It's not a question of big monitors, it's a question having to micro-manage 3+ Target Painters with 10 second cycles, swapping ammo, waiting on reloading (either from swapping to Javelins or from only having 20 volleys in the launchers,) volley counting to avoid overkill, etc.. All of which cuts into the Golem's DPS.
If you don't want to use the sentry Domi, then you would probably get more effective applied DPS by using a Tengu instead of the Golem. Have the Tengu orbit your Paladin and spam HMLs.
You can tell me what is and isn't true when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Spineker
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Posted - 2012.01.09 18:15:00 -
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Too me Machs are way too active and time consuming targetting and keeping optimal and all of that to run two of them I find it annoying just trying to tag team with, you are almost always doing something. |
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
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Posted - 2012.01.09 18:29:00 -
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Fastest way? Run thousands of nullsec recon 1/3 with fast ships.
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Archa4 Badasaz
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:42:00 -
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I've seen people run Nightmare + Domi very successfully. But as an alternative to Domi - what about Rattlesnake? |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:43:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Golem requires a lot TP juggling to be effective, and the torps have range issues. I doubt it would be fun to have to constantly bounce back and forth between the accounts.
A sentry domi with the sentries assisting the Paladin might require the least micro management.
golem shoots bs/bc, paladin shoots anything smaller at range, the two ships should actually work pretty well together. the only annoyance is the golem's limited range, might be more worthwhile to just get a cnr for that reason. |
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Jeicam Mmis
Nyan-straction Extract.
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Posted - 2012.01.09 21:55:00 -
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tofucake prime wrote:Use a Mach on one and then on the other use a Mach.
+1 |
Jeicam Mmis
Nyan-straction Extract.
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Posted - 2012.01.09 21:55:00 -
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Spineker wrote:Too me Machs are way too active and time consuming targetting and keeping optimal and all of that to run two of them I find it annoying just trying to tag team with, you are almost always doing something.
OP asked for fastest, not least-clicks (AFK) |
Doracos
Teylas Inc.
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Posted - 2012.01.09 23:21:00 -
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Jeicam Mmis wrote:Spineker wrote:Too me Machs are way too active and time consuming targetting and keeping optimal and all of that to run two of them I find it annoying just trying to tag team with, you are almost always doing something. OP asked for fastest, not least-clicks (AFK) two RR AC machs 4w |
Elindreal
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.10 17:37:00 -
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tengu + noctis |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.01.10 17:51:00 -
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There's no "best" (EvE philosophy and all) but depending on the NPCs distances you could use several configurations.
Multibox configurations I used (I fly minnie ships):
1) Mach or BabyVarg mael + arty mael
2) 1 - 2 Mach or BabyVarg + arty mael + SEBO Noctis
3) 2 arty maels + SEBO Noctis
Noctis is used to make locks faster and / or suppress dampeners / and / or web and so on. |
Borun Tal
Cubicle Warriors from 'merica
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Posted - 2012.01.10 18:56:00 -
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Tengu + SNI (Noctis cleanup) works great. |
Spineker
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Posted - 2012.01.10 19:36:00 -
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Jeicam Mmis wrote:Spineker wrote:Too me Machs are way too active and time consuming targetting and keeping optimal and all of that to run two of them I find it annoying just trying to tag team with, you are almost always doing something. OP asked for fastest, not least-clicks (AFK)
It is not faster. That is the point. I can run faster with two tengus with 1/10th the clicks. Mach is over rated |
agrajag119
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2012.01.10 22:31:00 -
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Spineker wrote:Too me Machs are way too active and time consuming targetting and keeping optimal and all of that to run two of them I find it annoying just trying to tag team with, you are almost always doing something.
Why are you giving two hoots about optimal in a Mach? Your optimal is absolutely unimportant for that ship. It is *all* about falloff.
Missioning in a mach involves:
a) Warpin b) Target thing c) hit f1 d) Go back to b) until there are no more things
I found running machs to be by far the *least* work of any missioning boats. With a proper fit you can kill anything right out to your lock range and it's fast enough that gated missions aren't horrible if you forgot to fit an AB.
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Jeicam Mmis
Nyan-straction Extract.
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Posted - 2012.01.11 00:46:00 -
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Spineker wrote:Jeicam Mmis wrote:Spineker wrote:Too me Machs are way too active and time consuming targetting and keeping optimal and all of that to run two of them I find it annoying just trying to tag team with, you are almost always doing something. OP asked for fastest, not least-clicks (AFK) It is not faster. That is the point. I can run faster with two tengus with 1/10th the clicks. Mach is over rated
How do you get 1/10th? I get two clicks per target for both tengu and mach. One to lock, one to start firing. And with your DPS, I'm done in 1/2 the time. |
Argaral
Obstergo NEM3SIS.
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Posted - 2012.01.11 01:33:00 -
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Currently I run a sentry rattlesnake and paladin. You get the best of everything, Rattlesnake tanks any spawns, spits decent DPS due to sentry rigs and cruise missiles. Paladin adds t2 tachs as well as salvaging on the go. You get increased DPS, a salvager to pair with a ship that can afk due to drones and a HUGE tank.
Saying that, it cost's 2 bill combined due to faction hull, marauder hull and 2 t2 rigs on the rattlesnake. |
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Spineker
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Posted - 2012.01.11 19:10:00 -
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Jeicam Mmis wrote:Spineker wrote:Jeicam Mmis wrote:Spineker wrote:Too me Machs are way too active and time consuming targetting and keeping optimal and all of that to run two of them I find it annoying just trying to tag team with, you are almost always doing something. OP asked for fastest, not least-clicks (AFK) It is not faster. That is the point. I can run faster with two tengus with 1/10th the clicks. Mach is over rated How do you get 1/10th? I get two clicks per target for both tengu and mach. One to lock, one to start firing. And with your DPS, I'm done in 1/2 the time.
My DPS Is near 800 with Tengu my targets are mostly 60+% kinetic. With Tengu you orbit something that is it can blast **** at 120KM way with the same damage as if they are 1km. My DPS is just fine with Tengu actually over all it is better, no drones, no optimal, no consideration for distance et al.
I understand people love the Mach and love to pretend it is Far superior to the Tengu but that is just a fantasy. Me and my alt put about 1500 to 1600 sustained and constant DPS in missions. No misses etc. Even with standard 40isk missiles with my alt he can kill any frigate spider or anything in a couple hits.
I fly the Mach it is fun sometimes but this fanboy club for the ship really is rather interesting to watch. Obviously you don't fly the tengu though. Mach is fine in some missions and sucks in some missions just like every other ship. |
Aubrey Addams
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.12 13:33:00 -
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Hi guys!
I just wanted to thank you for your helping answers, they helped me a lot.
Cheers!
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myFORUMalt alts
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.13 19:48:00 -
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Sentry rattlesnake.
I find it best to divide roles, have one ship be a heavy dps ship, and obviously focus on big targets, and have the other pick of frigates and smaller ships. Sentry rattlesnake properly fitted can pick of frigs and elite frigs in single shots and still lay a bit of damage to the larger targets with the 3 slots of cruise missiles to help take out larger targets, or two targets simultaneously. Yes, I complain about things I don't like. |
Spineker
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Posted - 2012.01.14 07:01:00 -
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O and for those hard core Mach lovers I was just trolling the ship. It is beautiful and deadly. Mach is a great ship no doubt about it. It is the best single account ship in the Universe or Galaxy etc. :) |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.01.14 12:49:00 -
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Spineker wrote:O and for those hard core Mach lovers I was just trolling the ship. It is beautiful and deadly. Mach is a great ship no doubt about it. It is the best single account ship in the Universe or Galaxy etc. :)
Actually, I checked some mission times for the Tengu and the MWD Mach, and... for level 4s in high-sec Minnie space, there's some truth to the Mach not being all that and a box of chips.
You can tell me what is and isn't true when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.14 17:21:00 -
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Mach and Tengu are boring and lame, Go Paladin and Rattler imo 5 Senses In A Person... 4 Seasons In A Year... 3 Colors In A Stoplight... 2 Poles On The Earth... ONLY 1-UP MUSHROOM!!!-á If You Like My Sig, Like Me!-áRemember EVE is EVErything! |
Spineker
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Posted - 2012.01.15 05:52:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Spineker wrote:O and for those hard core Mach lovers I was just trolling the ship. It is beautiful and deadly. Mach is a great ship no doubt about it. It is the best single account ship in the Universe or Galaxy etc. :) Actually, I checked some mission times for the Tengu and the MWD Mach, and... for level 4s in high-sec Minnie space, there's some truth to the Mach not being all that and a box of chips.
Yeah it is good sometimes but not all the time and not even 50% of the time. |
Spineker
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Posted - 2012.01.15 05:52:00 -
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1-Up Mushroom wrote:Mach and Tengu are boring and lame, Go Paladin and Rattler imo
Because a Rattler is not boring exactly.... Think I sold my Golem a month ago and Paladin was far short of it. |
VC General
No Baals Inc
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Posted - 2012.01.15 09:50:00 -
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Spineker wrote:My DPS Is near 800 with Tengu my targets are mostly 60+% kinetic. With Tengu you orbit something that is it can blast **** at 120KM way with the same damage as if they are 1km. My DPS is just fine with Tengu actually over all it is better, no drones, no optimal, no consideration for distance et al.
800 dps with a heavy missile tengu? So you use what, Scourge fury missiles, implants, T2 rigs, and navy BCU's? Using T2, you get about 600 dps from that setup, so I assume you have some 4+ bil lolfit with half of it in your clone to make your cruiser do what a BS already does better. By that same logic, I could take a nightmare and make it do 1400 dps. You can't even claim the missile advantage of cherry picking damage types, since the kinetic bonus on tengus means you always use kinetic unless your skills are below 5. Not to mention you have to worry about reloading, wasting millions on T2/faction ammo, defender missiles, and wasted volleys due to flight time, especially if you snipe mission rats from 120km. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2012.01.15 11:05:00 -
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Argaral wrote:Currently I run a sentry rattlesnake and paladin.
Note that you'll get slightly more drone DPS out of the Dominix, since it can fit 2 x sentry damage rigs, and it uses armour tank so it has mid slots free for OTLs (and cap mods to keep its overwhelming tank running). |
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