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MyOwnSling
Gallente RONA Corporation FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.21 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: ForumPosterAlt Of course the game will go south from there. Everyone will do level 4s in their tech 2 ravens even faster than before, isk will flood the market at a faster pace than ever before, and anyone flying anything less than a battleship will get left in the isk dust.
Somehow, I doubt this. If they are going to be an anti-capital/POS platform (as many people think), there will likely be a a limited number of turret/missile slots and the ability to fire a single capital weapon (or whatever the anti-capital feature is) will not help in lvl4 missions, capital weapons won't do crap to a BS (generally). ------------- Stop whining.
Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face...
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Linavin
Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.21 17:45:00 -
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The inherent problem with tech II BS is if they can do everthing their tech 1 counterpart can and a little more from the tech II (it dosen't really matter how little) then they will replace tech 1 BS, plain and simple. T2 BS need to differ significantly from T1, or they need to get nerfed considerably in regular stats to make up for the T2 boost. Take jumpdrives, if T2 BS get short range ones, then CCP would need to severly curtail the offensive and defensive abilities of these ships, otherwise its just everyone flying T2. There needs to be a reason besides cost, which isn't a real reason in the wealth of eve today, to keep flying the T1 versions once Tech II comes out. ---
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TimMc
The Caldari Confederation
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Posted - 2007.07.21 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: MyOwnSling
Originally by: ForumPosterAlt Of course the game will go south from there. Everyone will do level 4s in their tech 2 ravens even faster than before, isk will flood the market at a faster pace than ever before, and anyone flying anything less than a battleship will get left in the isk dust.
Somehow, I doubt this. If they are going to be an anti-capital/POS platform (as many people think), there will likely be a a limited number of turret/missile slots and the ability to fire a single capital weapon (or whatever the anti-capital feature is) will not help in lvl4 missions, capital weapons won't do crap to a BS (generally).
I doubt it will be anti-capital, capitals are so expensive and are becoming more and more fragile lately.
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Rafein
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Posted - 2007.07.21 18:53:00 -
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Honestly, with invention allowing anyone to build their own, i would not mind them introducing a somewhat improved BS with T2. Honestly, it would not be nearly as unbalancing as HAC/AF/Inties were before invention.
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Not Bait
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Posted - 2007.07.21 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Templer Relleg Hammerhead stated that they wont just be wtfpwnage ships like HAC's
So they'll be that and more?
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Murehz
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Posted - 2007.07.21 19:10:00 -
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I don't get the arguments as to they can't do everything a BS can do and more because no-one will fly BS apart from money issues.
I mean if you look at every other t2 ship, if you have the skills and the money why would you fly its T1 varient (if they are being using in their intended role... I know some T1 ships can do a few odd ball things better than T2).
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Jacob Castillo
Caldari Copperhead Inc. Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.21 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rafein Honestly, with invention allowing anyone to build their own, i would not mind them introducing a somewhat improved BS with T2. Honestly, it would not be nearly as unbalancing as HAC/AF/Inties were before invention.
A Tech 1 BS with all the bells and whistles of a HAC (aka more bonuses & resists) would become the new solo pwn mobile. You would need a gang of T1 BS to take it down or another T2 BS. ------ Nerf Nos! |
Daelin Blackleaf
No Joy Corp Pride - Honor - Duty
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Posted - 2007.07.21 19:30:00 -
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Interesting news, be nice to see if any of the ideas myself and others have been suggesting on the forums have been used. Either way I'll reserve judgement for now but it is exciting to hear... lots of possibilities.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.21 19:44:00 -
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No T2 BS will note simply7 replace T1 BS. If they die as easily in blbo warfare as T1 BS, you wont see people throwing money for nothing on those.
Peopel worring about solo uber machine.. wtf.. there is no solo combat in eve for ages. Nothign to screw up there.
Simply make them unable to use mission gates if peopel fear they will pown missions.
People moaning are just loosers that can 't accept changes on the game that might affect them. It will introduce more stuff for people to train and that is good.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.21 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Murehz I don't get the arguments as to they can't do everything a BS can do and more because no-one will fly BS apart from money issues.
I mean if you look at every other t2 ship, if you have the skills and the money why would you fly its T1 varient (if they are being using in their intended role... I know some T1 ships can do a few odd ball things better than T2).
and what is the difference between that and BC vs CS .. ? Stop complainign and adapt.. fly one yourself
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Ferocious FeAr
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.21 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Atius Tirawa In either case, they are going to take tons of minerals and components to build. As it stands, Tier-3 BBs are expensive enough, the last thing anyone needs is a 400 mil BB. . . Is it me, or are things in eve getting more and more expensive.
Expensive? Ships are cheaper, t2 is cheaper, I think the opposite.
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Murehz
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Posted - 2007.07.21 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Murehz I don't get the arguments as to they can't do everything a BS can do and more because no-one will fly BS apart from money issues.
I mean if you look at every other t2 ship, if you have the skills and the money why would you fly its T1 varient (if they are being using in their intended role... I know some T1 ships can do a few odd ball things better than T2).
and what is the difference between that and BC vs CS .. ? Stop complainign and adapt.. fly one yourself
I don't think you quite got what I was saying.
I was trying to say I don't see why people are complaining because its already happened and no-one cares.
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Lord Loom
Loom Service
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Posted - 2007.07.21 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Templer Relleg
Originally by: Zkillz kun T2 bs's are either gonna be wtf pwn or they are going to be useless special ops ships. neither of which will add to the game
just my opinion :\
Hammerhead stated that they wont just be wtfpwnage ships like HAC's
Hmm, that reminds me of the pre-release chatter on command ships
oh sh...
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Nian Banks
Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir
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Posted - 2007.07.21 21:28:00 -
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My vote would be to have all the tier1 battleships become Escort Carriers. These are a good size smaller than regular carriers. For the basic stats, do a vanilla boost to HP/Resists and fittings however the turret/missile hardpoints should be reduced.
Allow for 5 frigate sized fighters (as opposed to the capital carrier that has cruiser sized fighters). For the two t2 bonuses have, 3% bonus to effectiveness of **** Warfare Links and a +XX% drone control range bonus per level. Add a Role Bonus: 99% reduction in Warfare Link module CPU need.
The fighters can not be assigned to other players.
That to me would be fitting. That is my dream t2 battleship. Something that doesn't replace fleet command ships, doesn't replace carriers or battleships but does its own thing.
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KD.Fluffy
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.07.21 21:37:00 -
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Edited by: KD.Fluffy on 21/07/2007 21:37:19
Quote: My vote would be to have all the tier1 battleships become Escort Carriers. These are a good size smaller than regular carriers. For the basic stats, do a vanilla boost to HP/Resists and fittings however the turret/missile hardpoints should be reduced.
Allow for 5 frigate sized fighters (as opposed to the capital carrier that has cruiser sized fighters). For the two t2 bonuses have, 3% bonus to effectiveness of **** Warfare Links and a +XX% drone control range bonus per level. Add a Role Bonus: 99% reduction in Warfare Link module CPU need.
The fighters can not be assigned to other players.
That to me would be fitting. That is my dream t2 battleship. Something that doesn't replace fleet command ships, doesn't replace carriers or battleships but does its own thing.
Thats all fine and dandy till you consider gallente is the drone race and you know ccp would giv gallente the best ship in this class if this was the nature of them
I'd rather see each race get something unique to its race, for example.
Caldari get a t2 scorp that can fit a cov ops cloak, and gets a damage bonus. Gallente get a megathron with another damage bonus, and a fall off bonus. amarr get a apoc wiht an energy vampire/neut bonus. or maybe a geddon with a damage bonus and a range bonus. minmatar: get a typhoon with a speed bonus and an agility bonus?
Pretty much all of those boats would be solo own mobiles but it seems the mega might be over the top doing im guessing 1800 dps or osmething stupid like that?
edit: Maybe caldari could have a raven with a shield recharge rate bonus allowing a passive tank?
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Nian Banks
Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir
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Posted - 2007.07.21 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: KD.Fluffy Thats all fine and dandy till you consider gallente is the drone race and you know ccp would giv gallente the best ship in this class if this was the nature of them
If that was the case then everyone who intended to fly a carrier would go gallente. As this is obviously not true then your statement is wrong and your argument is moot.
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webby
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Posted - 2007.07.21 22:12:00 -
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Edited by: webby on 21/07/2007 22:12:35
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtAYjpvshVM
[url=http://killboard.rionnagalba.org.uk/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=57] [/url]
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webby
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Posted - 2007.07.21 22:13:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtAYjpvshVM
[url=http://killboard.rionnagalba.org.uk/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=57] [/url]
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Abye
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.21 23:25:00 -
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They'll be pretty specialized in something, but NOT pewpew since he stated they won't be bigger HACs. ___
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
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Posted - 2007.07.21 23:49:00 -
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I bet logistics - but then they have to think about carriers... - I'm a nice guy!! and OMG I love Team Tuxford for the speedbalancing... |
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KD.Fluffy
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.07.22 00:16:00 -
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Quote: If that was the case then everyone who intended to fly a carrier would go gallente. As this is obviously not true then your statement is wrong and your argument is moot.
Funny because gallente does have some of the best carriers......
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lofty29
Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2007.07.22 00:19:00 -
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I bet they'll have very handy tools, much like the jump bridge is a very handy tool (won't have jump-bridges tho) Things like...AOE repairers? I dunno. But knowing CCP, they're not gonna fux balance like everyone is saying. ---
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Madcat Adams
Romulan Technologies Limited
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Posted - 2007.07.22 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: KD.Fluffy
Quote: If that was the case then everyone who intended to fly a carrier would go gallente. As this is obviously not true then your statement is wrong and your argument is moot.
Funny because gallente does have some of the best carriers......
Lets not forget the Curse, or the rest of the Arbitrator line. Gallente are not the only race that uses drones well.
The ideal of an escort carrier is excellent. I do hope that at least each race shall gain a ship with unique purpose. Another ideal is some type of Capital defense ship. Specialized in smart bombs or something that gives it a real edge against smaller ships.
Not suplanting Stealth bombers, rather a sturdy ship desighned to wade into small fleets or form a defensive perimeter. They would have bonus to SB range and damadge, forcing small fleets to take them out before swarming capitals. Wouldn't impact missions much, unless CCP finially made SB's smart, so you could avoid friendly targets.
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Stakhanov
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.07.22 03:45:00 -
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Balancing T2 BS with T2 resists will be tricky , but this won't be a problem at all for the T2 mega. Just have it remove the stacking penalty on magstabs , for a double damage 8x neutron blaster IIs setup... pretty please ?
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Benn Helmsman
Caldari Helmsman Engineering Company
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Posted - 2007.07.22 04:42:00 -
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Hm, a t2 scorp, with t2 resistances, but no turret/launcher hardpoints, rook-like ecm, able to fit 5 gang assist modules... muahaha that would be sweet
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Futher Bezluden
Minmatar ORIGIN SYSTEMS Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.22 05:27:00 -
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I'm betting the T2 Battleships are a combination Logistics/CommandShip with area affect logistics and combat gang assist modules for Damage, RoF, Optimal, Falloff, Cap Use, Tracking, Missile Flight Speed, Missile Exp Velocity...
One can dream, right? THUKKER -Be Paranoid
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Nian Banks
Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir
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Posted - 2007.07.22 07:56:00 -
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Originally by: Futher Bezluden I'm betting the T2 Battleships are a combination Logistics/CommandShip with area affect logistics and combat gang assist modules for Damage, RoF, Optimal, Falloff, Cap Use, Tracking, Missile Flight Speed, Missile Exp Velocity...
One can dream, right?
Somehow I can't imagine CCP making a battleship that makes Logistics Cruisers, Fleet Command Ships and the Carriers Logistics/Command bonuses obsolete. Just wouldn't happen as they want more small craft in fleet engagements.
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Akiman
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Posted - 2007.07.22 08:43:00 -
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every job is filled what will they do?...we got command ships for gang assist...carriers for repairers and support...got T2 and T1 ewar ships...interdictors and so on...and T2 bss will be heavier than other bss...will be tricky. and pleeeasee add some mesh models just not repaint them...plsss???
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.22 09:34:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 22/07/2007 09:34:51
Originally by: Jacob Castillo I can't say I'll be terribly surprised if something goes horribly wrong with game balance when they come out.
Well, with conventional fleet attacking POS's in systems with Cyno jammers now, I guess there is a need for stronger, non-capital ships.
I am, personally, waiting to see what kind of a joke they are going to play on a Amarr T2 BS. Probebly something silly like an extra slot which turns out to be wased because you lose a rig slot. Ack its all speculation atm. --
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.22 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Akiman every job is filled what will they do?...we got command ships for gang assist...carriers for repairers and support...got T2 and T1 ewar ships...interdictors and so on...and T2 bss will be heavier than other bss...will be tricky. and pleeeasee add some mesh models just not repaint them...plsss???
there is already a movie in internet.. look in youtube for eve T2 battleships. THey are slightly modified meshes, liek every other T2 ship. In my opinion the Tempest T2 is the most amazing.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
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