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Voltairia	Posted - 2007.07.21 23:53:00 - [31] Easy way to do fix this is have a docking point and an undockign point in a different area. If you unock you have ot make it say 2km to the other ****ing section to redock, so you cant play jump in and out of station all day long. A fairly small little trip unless your targets get you en route, then you just needed to scout better.
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.22 01:40:00 - [32] Originally by: Voltairia Easy way to do fix this is have a docking point and an undockign point in a different area. If you unock you have ot make it say 2km to the other ****ing section to redock, so you cant play jump in and out of station all day long. A fairly small little trip unless your targets get you en route, then you just needed to scout better. That sounds like a good idea. But lets make it 5-10k.
FarScape III	Posted - 2007.07.22 02:21:00 - [33] I do not think it is a good idea to create Artificial ways to make people PvP in a game. The pos wars is a great start to giveing real reasons to PvP and not run away. If I could afford a BS as easily as a cruiser then i would PvP in the BS all the time but only for a real reason not just for the heck of it, unless it was a competition. A Minmater City... Cool! My Skills
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2007.07.22 02:26:00 - [34] It is lame like zone camping and zoning bhack and forth. If you shot back you should be locked out period. If you are so stupid that you need more ammo you deserve to die. you should not be able to gank and then run and hide in a station or use a jump gate. Eve is consequences. you want war you want danger you got it lock those suckers out for 5 minutes. I am tired of the multitude of pussified players in eve who exploit every dam loop hole so they are never at risk. Camp station kill and dock... yawn time to put your ball on the table and try to avoid the axe coming down on you for once.
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.07.22 02:28:00 - [35] Edited by: DubanFP on 22/07/2007 02:30:55 Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 It is lame like zone camping and zoning bhack and forth. If you shot back you should be locked out period. If you are so stupid that you need more ammo you deserve to die. you should not be able to gank and then run and hide in a station or use a jump gate. Eve is consequences. you want war you want danger you got it lock those suckers out for 5 minutes. I am tired of the multitude of pussified players in eve who exploit every dam loop hole so they are never at risk. Camp station kill and dock... yawn time to put your ball on the table and try to avoid the axe coming down on you for once. LOLOLOL. Exploit, using successful tactics, it's all the same in the end... Least from what you're saying anyways. Sounds more like sour grapes from getting your ass handed to you from people who know game mechanics and can assess the situation better then you to me. Oh and EVE doesn't have Zones or zone camping, any experienced player would be glad to whack you over the head for saying stuff like that. ______________________ DubanFP> I stopped capitalizing the g in goonswarm a little while back. I find they no longer deserved the little bit of extra effort required to press the shift key.
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.07.22 02:39:00 - [36] Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Bryce Bolz Please dont make this into another nerf that ruins the game play thanks. signed - oh wait its this guy again - he hates the way CCP handles things and hes still in the game a healthy dose of skeptacism is better than yer lips grafted to their [Roosters] IMHO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Im taking my stuff to oblivion with me :p
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.07.22 02:42:00 - [37] Originally by: FarScape III I do not think it is a good idea to create Artificial ways to make people PvP in a game. CCP disagrees... read: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=480019 specifically around the Quote: Slowly involves the "PvE" player in more "PvP" EVE activity area >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Im taking my stuff to oblivion with me :p
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.07.22 02:43:00 - [38] Edited by: DubanFP on 22/07/2007 02:43:39 Originally by: Richard Aiel Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Bryce Bolz Please dont make this into another nerf that ruins the game play thanks. signed - oh wait its this guy again - he hates the way CCP handles things and hes still in the game a healthy dose of skeptacism is better than yer lips grafted to their [Roosters] IMHO There's people who are somewhat skeptical, and look to improve EVE as a whole. Then there's idiots that go about whining every time EVE doesn't personally cater to their own need. To which group do you belong? ______________________ DubanFP> I stopped capitalizing the g in goonswarm a little while back. I find they no longer deserved the little bit of extra effort required to press the shift key.
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.07.22 02:53:00 - [39] Edited by: Richard Aiel on 22/07/2007 02:54:41 Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 22/07/2007 02:44:42 Originally by: Richard Aiel Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Bryce Bolz Please dont make this into another nerf that ruins the game play thanks. signed - oh wait its this guy again - he hates the way CCP handles things and hes still in the game a healthy dose of skeptacism is better than yer lips grafted to their [Roosters] IMHO There's people who are somewhat skeptical, and look to improve EVE as a whole. Then there's idiots that go about whining every time EVE doesn't personally cater to their own private needs. To which group do you belong? None of the above in T minus 10 days and counting because of the general unplayability of any mission higher than lvl 3... You lose 3 Ravens on 3 missions in a couple hours, petition them and get them back less than three minutes after you petition them, you begin to realize that youre not the only one that knows theres sonmething wrong. Im actually hoping that between the time that I leave, and the eventual time that I come back, this desynch thiong will have been hammered out and the game will be fun again. If not, then Ill pop back in to change a skill, and go back into hibernation in hopes that it GETS fixed in the future. Guessing im in the first category as I lie the game even if m skeptical of the company that creates and maintains it. Hey, Ive been downright hostile towards CCP in the past but they are beginning to act like they care about us nowadays. An most of those that whine about ppl that dock or logoff fall under the "they cant run from me!!! I fired my guns at them they should go POP for I am the almighty Pi-Wate!!!!" category :p >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Im taking my stuff to oblivion with me :p
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.07.22 02:57:00 - [40] Edited by: DubanFP on 22/07/2007 03:04:05 Edited by: DubanFP on 22/07/2007 02:57:49 Originally by: Richard Aiel Hey, Ive been downright hostile towards CCP in the past but they are beginning to act like they care about us nowadays. If i had to listen to you complain about level 4s and 5s not suiting to your needs "rather then you suiting to EVE" every day i would stop caring too. I What you have to realize and respect is that no matter what they do SOMEONE is not going to like it. And it's just selfish-stupid to think then you should NEVER be that someone. EVE isn't going to suit YOUR needs all the time, every time. Those that fail to adapt die "Darwinism". Don't complain, adapt. ______________________ DubanFP> I stopped capitalizing the g in goonswarm a little while back. I find they no longer deserved the little bit of extra effort required to press the shift key.
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.07.22 03:21:00 - [41] Edited by: Richard Aiel on 22/07/2007 03:23:30 Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 22/07/2007 03:05:57 What you have to realize and respect is.... No I Dont... after 10 almost 9 days now, none of this will matter except maybe cruising by the forum once a week or less to see if theres any talk about how much better the server performance is Originally by: DubanFP But most of the changes I didn't like were the ones brought on by the senseless whining of the masses who whined rather then adapted. ...and I dont know about you but I think its a rather bad sign that the company running the game has adapted the game to the whiners rather than TELLING THEM to adapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Im taking my stuff to oblivion with me :p
Caligulus Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.07.22 04:03:00 - [42] I agree with this, if you don't own the station you shouldn't have the ability to duck into it if you agress. On a similar note, if you steal ore in high sec you shouldn't be able to dock at a station for the 15 min duration of your criminal flag. That's total BS. At the very least the timer should be paused while your docked.
xeom Coagulated	Posted - 2007.07.22 04:17:00 - [43] I say dock timer should be 10 days minimum.Stop being such a f*ing tool. Sorry you can't get all your buddy's in for the gank.As you tackle the guy in your god like tanking rohk.If anything this would reduce pvp because people would just assume everything is a gank. Seriously this complaint is so stupid.It basically gets reduced to "I like to fake a good fun fight and then bring in 20 people in for a gank" Learn to PVP out of groups of 30+ eh? People dock on me constantly hell the other day i was fighting 2 Armageddons both managed to dock.But in all truth i won that fight. I don't need some **y killmail telling me. "OMG YOU ROCK NOW GO POST ME ON YOUR KILLBOARD AND STRETCH THAT E-PEEN O YEA BABY!!1" Hell docking has saved my life so many times from blobs.But thats not something you probably care about its important to "asses" weather its really a 50 man gang waiting 2 jumps out. At most because all the buffs to tanking redock and ONLY redock timer should be bumped up to 45 seconds and 1 minute MAX. --- Coagulated -Videos- Viciously Delicious New! Non-Entity
SonOTassadar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.07.22 04:22:00 - [44] Flat out 100 seconds. Less than two minutes, but still a big enough boost to take out battleships. Now, where's the real exploit? Capital Ships. Simply put, if a pilot is in a capital ship and aggresses, the timer should be 5 minutes or more. They are the ultimate docking game ship. ----- Griffin -- 100,000 ISK ECM - Multispectral Jammer Is -- 20,000 ISK Standard Missile Launcher Is -- 10,000 ISK War target sobbing over losing a fight in his T2 fitted Battleship -- priceless
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.22 04:24:00 - [45] Quote: Hell docking has saved my life so many times from blobs. use a scout
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.22 04:26:00 - [46] Quote: Learn to PVP out of groups of 30+ eh? if they lose they dock doesent matter if you blob or solo them..
xeom Coagulated	Posted - 2007.07.22 04:37:00 - [47] Originally by: d026 Quote: Learn to PVP out of groups of 30+ eh? if they lose they dock doesent matter if you blob or solo them.. I find that in good fight things don't look totally one sided to the very end. Lets take for instance 4BS vs 4 BS it would be very hard to call the fight.Even if the opposing side lost a ship first they might still push on. This even applys in cases of 1v1's.Well unless you flew one of those i dunno 4 nos 4 siege super tanking rohks that slowly drill you away and take ages to kill anything.Or a spec ECM scorp,nonono you would never do those would ya do26? --- Coagulated -Videos- Viciously Delicious New! Non-Entity
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.22 13:02:00 - [48] Originally by: xeom Originally by: d026 Quote: Learn to PVP out of groups of 30+ eh? if they lose they dock doesent matter if you blob or solo them.. I find that in good fight things don't look totally one sided to the very end. Lets take for instance 4BS vs 4 BS it would be very hard to call the fight.Even if the opposing side lost a ship first they might still push on. This even applys in cases of 1v1's.Well unless you flew one of those i dunno 4 nos 4 siege super tanking rohks that slowly drill you away and take ages to kill anything.Or a spec ECM scorp,nonono you would never do those would ya do26? no i would fit 4nos 1 heavy neut and 3 sieges:)
Lrrp Minmatar Gallente Mercantile Exchange	Posted - 2007.07.22 13:29:00 - [49] 5-10 minutes to re-dock? Hey, really great idea. Guess no one has ever undocked from a station, remembered they forgot something, and re-docked to get it. Really, really great idea.
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.22 14:54:00 - [50] Originally by: Lrrp 5-10 minutes to re-dock? Hey, really great idea. Guess no one has ever undocked from a station, remembered they forgot something, and re-docked to get it. Really, really great idea. only if you got agression timer.
ForumPosterAlt	Posted - 2007.07.22 17:21:00 - [51] Originally by: Shenko Minara So when I kill your Raven in my Rifter, I have to wait 15 minutes before I can refit/rearm to kill your next battleship? I sympathis that it's tough to take someone down in 30 seconds, but you have to look at it from the other perspective as well, not just the losers Whats the point of an aggression timer if you can safely wait it out? You took his raven by surprise, he was risking it, cause he didn't know you were comming and was fitted for missions. (comparing ship vs ship is meaningless, its what its fit for that counts) And so if he goes to retaliate, you are just docked la la la, waiting out the timer under your blanket of protection. Leave a secure can with ammo and charges in it out in some safe spot, not that hard.
CarIito Brigante	Posted - 2007.07.22 20:09:00 - [52] I think they should change the docking time to 1 minute as another poster said anything more than this is silly BUT you should also be able to see outside of the station before you can undock this will solve many problems.
Big Al The Aftermath	Posted - 2007.07.22 20:19:00 - [53] Edited by: Big Al on 22/07/2007 20:20:42 Shockingly enough if you don't camp the station they won't play dock tag. 15 minute timer with sub 30s cov ops scans... PREPARE THE BEDPANS. The only change that needs to be made is the size of certain stations, Caldari stations are impossible to bump people off of unless they are a complete moron. we ran outta cowbell.
Deros Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.22 21:15:00 - [54] ignore changing the docking timers. make it so that you cannot undock and travel for 5-10s at 500m/s and still be 0m from the station. make it so that you cannot aggress within 5k of a station. either or both together work. also remove 30s timer for invuln when undocking. as soon as that player loads space, he should be fair game. D
Murukan Minmatar Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2007.07.22 21:54:00 - [55] lol you know how many of your alliance m8's would die even more if this was implemented Manlove by Zaphod Jones
Lord Evangelian Gallente LEAP Corp United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.07.22 22:11:00 - [56] man look at the nubs flame a perfectly reasonable game discussion. He has got a point, the only reason why you want it not to be changed is because you no doubt one of the turds who dock after stealing your ore, or after destroying your shuttle, knowing full well that if you couldn't you would loose what ever ship you are in to the guy you cowardly poped... ------------------------------------------ One day I'll show you...and then you will bow down...
Willow Whisp Sadist Faction	Posted - 2007.07.22 22:35:00 - [57] The day you let me "Look out the window" of a station so I can actually see what's outside, and also "See" a scan of what's within 15AU, is the day i will be ok with the timer increased on stations. Half the "undock, fight, redock" fights happen with the campers aggressing 1st, THEN the person playing with them a little bit, then un-aggressing and redocking when it starts getting a bit too hot. Of that 1 minute of "redock" time, you have 30 seconds outside invulnerable, provided you don't do anything. But again, you can get bumped off the station, and then you're SOL anyway. So undock point combat mecanics are funny enough as they are, and that's without even counting for increased dock timers. I say dock timers are fine as they are. Stations are boring to fight around anyway, and I find "undock camping" to be just as lame as the "undock/redock" trick. Why is it not ok for a Battleship of sufficient tank to unagress and redock if overwhelmed, but it is perfectly OK for 6 or 7 battleships to camp a lone station and try to catch an undocking ship before it's able to do anything anyway? More than anything, the dock/undock game to me seems like a way to pass the time while bored, or to actually see if it's safe to move on to another system if the particular station is no longer camped. So, i'd say the undock/dock wars are more of a symptom of a problem (inability to request a status of the station & surrounding areas), rather than a problem itself. ... Sadist Faction is recruiting
Ryum852	Posted - 2007.07.22 23:06:00 - [58] If you undock and someone is shooting at you then I think you should be able to dock right away. If you shoot back, then you have made the choice to fight... I don't think you should be able to dock then right away. As for the amount of time, and the details I leave to the devs.
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.22 23:13:00 - [59] If you can't kill the target in 60 seconds, then clearly you need a larger hammer. - Recruitment open again-
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.22 23:37:00 - [60] Edited by: d026 on 22/07/2007 23:37:50 Quote: If you undock and someone is shooting at you then I think you should be able to dock right away. i actually agree with that to a extent. on the other hand.. once in space you should use the tools given by the game like mwd/ecm/damps to escape a nasty situation as you have deal with in every other situation in the game. why is it that cnr's camp jita 4/4 23/7 but i never see them in low/0.sec trying to pwn the **** out of me?

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