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Spinnukur Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:07:00 - [1] I'm going to post this in as many sub topics on the forums as possible. This is directly to the devs at CCP: First off, I don't know what in world is happening but this crap has got to stop with the servers crashing for three hours every night, or huge desynch happening when large gangs are engaged with only handful of hostile ships. Is this your answer to lag, desynch? I read the next rev patch notes and noticed a little thing about memory leakage and EVE crashing, don't you think it would be smarter to release that patch early so to try and get these problems fixed? I know I/we are not the only ones having problems with desynch, our friends, and enemies are also having the same problem. This needs to stop, and NOW! Otherwise, I would suggest to all pilots in EVE that if they die, and others in their gang desynch after them, that those pilots who died converge on sending huge amounts of petitions to the deves and flood them with complaints to not only request their ships back but to also petittion the desynch! This is not a hostile thread, and therefore should not be deleted by any moderator, and fyi this is a general discussion topic also
Zingo Aleig	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:11:00 - [2] omg hostage, quick someone, care
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:12:00 - [3] I still haven't desynced, even in a 20 man fleet mission running escapade (long story) Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon
bluechimera D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:12:00 - [4] Yes, fix it, and fix it right. Tired of losing kills to this crap.
VoYvod Murder-Death-Kill Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:13:00 - [5] would of been 1 less mothership in eve , but ofc , thank you ccp for desyncs for ruining my eve-online experience....
Imperius Blackheart Caldari Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:15:00 - [6] You do know this is being fixed on tuesday right?

Deckard Bishop Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:15:00 - [7] please read this thread and these patch notes for tuesdays patch. a fix is there for the desync issue forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website Contact Support - Report Bug - Join ISD - Watch EVE TV

Ex0101 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:17:00 - [8] Edited by: Ex0101 on 21/07/2007 21:16:53 Theyve announced the python update coming this week which should help with the desync issue, cross your fingers :) EDIT : ooo mod beat me to it :P --
Spinnukur Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:18:00 - [9] Originally by: Deckard Bishop please read this thread and these patch notes for tuesdays patch. a fix is there for the desync issue And if you read my whole statment, I asked why CCP hadn't released the patch early because of these issues...

Deckard Bishop Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:21:00 - [10] Originally by: Spinnukur Originally by: Deckard Bishop please read this thread and these patch notes for tuesdays patch. a fix is there for the desync issue And if you read my whole statment, I asked why CCP hadn't released the patch early because of these issues... i did read it... but i dont have the answer i would think its because of staff, planning and giving notice to the players.... but thats just a guess EDIT: the devs are monitoring the thread i linked above, it may be worth you asking in there forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website Contact Support - Report Bug - Join ISD - Watch EVE TV

Dave White coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:22:00 - [11] Edited by: Dave White on 21/07/2007 21:23:52 Deckard's right tbh. It takes time to see what exactly causes it and then implementing several fixes on SISI to test if they actually work. As stated in the patch notes, this desynch fix is expermental and isn't 100% assured to work. click away
Spinnukur Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:27:00 - [12] Edited by: Spinnukur on 21/07/2007 21:29:10 Originally by: Deckard Bishop Originally by: Spinnukur Originally by: Deckard Bishop please read this thread and these patch notes for tuesdays patch. a fix is there for the desync issue And if you read my whole statment, I asked why CCP hadn't released the patch early because of these issues... i did read it... but i dont have the answer i would think its because of staff, planning and giving notice to the players.... but thats just a guess EDIT: the devs are monitoring the thread i linked above, it may be worth you asking in there A problem as big as this, CCP shoud not just cordially thrust it aside, and say "Tuesday" for patch because of the notice to players, this should have been taken care as soon as CCP knew it was a problem. I certainly hope CCP when problems first arise, think about the potential long term effects on the game, instead of just saying 'meh'...
Brunswick2 coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:27:00 - [13] Originally by: Imperius Blackheart You do know this is being *"fixed"* on tuesday right? O RLY? - Kreul
The Pointless Gallente Plastic Toys	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:30:00 - [14] Originally by: Spinnukur Originally by: Deckard Bishop Originally by: Spinnukur Originally by: Deckard Bishop please read this thread and these patch notes for tuesdays patch. a fix is there for the desync issue And if you read my whole statment, I asked why CCP hadn't released the patch early because of these issues... i did read it... but i dont have the answer i would think its because of staff, planning and giving notice to the players.... but thats just a guess EDIT: the devs are monitoring the thread i linked above, it may be worth you asking in there A problem as big as this, CCP shoud not just corgily thrust it aside, and say "Tuesday" for patch because of the notice to players, this should have been taken care as soon as CCP knew it was a problem. I certainly hope CCP when problems first arise, think about the potential long term effects on the game, instead of just saying 'meh'... Chances are, if they rush out the patch as soon as it 'seems' ready, they'll run into unexpected problems that could have been avoided by planning ahead ergo the Tuesday deployment. Think! ----------------------------------------------- "Breaking News! The Pointless hates GIFs!"
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:31:00 - [15] Edited by: MotherMoon on 21/07/2007 21:31:00 :P you can't rush patches, as much as we wish they could. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Dave White coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:32:00 - [16] Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 21/07/2007 21:31:00 :P you can't rush patches, as much as we wish they could. Nice edit
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:32:00 - [17] Edited by: MotherMoon on 21/07/2007 21:33:24 Edited by: MotherMoon on 21/07/2007 21:32:18 Originally by: Dave White Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 21/07/2007 21:31:00 :P you can't rush patches, as much as we wish they could. Nice edit ha thx ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Spinnukur Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:37:00 - [18] Originally by: The Pointless Originally by: Spinnukur Originally by: Deckard Bishop Originally by: Spinnukur Originally by: Deckard Bishop please read this thread and these patch notes for tuesdays patch. a fix is there for the desync issue And if you read my whole statment, I asked why CCP hadn't released the patch early because of these issues... i did read it... but i dont have the answer i would think its because of staff, planning and giving notice to the players.... but thats just a guess EDIT: the devs are monitoring the thread i linked above, it may be worth you asking in there A problem as big as this, CCP shoud not just corgily thrust it aside, and say "Tuesday" for patch because of the notice to players, this should have been taken care as soon as CCP knew it was a problem. I certainly hope CCP when problems first arise, think about the potential long term effects on the game, instead of just saying 'meh'... Chances are, if they rush out the patch as soon as it 'seems' ready, they'll run into unexpected problems that could have been avoided by planning ahead ergo the Tuesday deployment. Think! And like CCP hasn't done immediate patches before??? If I remember right, unless I'm developing alzheimers, desynch has been an issue for quite some time...is it not better to have desynch fixed and maybe have your portrait picture not load??
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:40:00 - [19] maybe the dev are betting on the number of whines before the patch goes live? I mean hell, if they released the patch right away what would they get to bet on? by the way I think it's just because people are still on vacation and are just getting back, so they need people in case of 10,000 bugs form CHANGING the CODE of the CLIENT. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:41:00 - [20] Originally by: Spinnukur Edited by: Spinnukur on 21/07/2007 21:15:15 I'm going to post this in as many sub topics on the forums as possible. This is directly to the devs at CCP: First off, I don't know what in world is happening but this crap has got to stop with the servers crashing for three hours every night, or huge desynch happening when large gangs are engaged with only handful of hostile ships. Is this your answer to lag, desynch? I read the next rev patch notes and noticed a little thing about memory leakage and EVE crashing, don't you think it would be smarter to release that patch early so to try and get these problems fixed? I know I/we are not the only ones having problems with desynch, our friends, and enemies are also having the same problem. This needs to stop, and NOW! Otherwise, I would think that alot of pilots in EVE that if they die, and others in their gang desynch after them, that those pilots who died might converge on sending huge amounts of petitions to the deves and flood them with complaints to not only request their ships back but to also petittion the desynch but thats just my opinion. This is not a hostile thread, and therefore should not be deleted by any moderator, and fyi this is a general discussion topic also, and if you read it carefully at no time did I ask for mass petitions I'm getting sick of seeing posts like this,... What is with all this whinning, Nerf this, fix this or I'll leave, buff this or I'm gone, "Fix MY favorite thing or your prove yourself worthless.
Spinnukur Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:43:00 - [21] Originally by: MotherMoon maybe the dev are betting on the number of whines before the patch goes live? I mean hell, if they released the patch right away what would they get to bet on? by the way I think it's just because people are still on vacation and are just getting back, so they need people in case of 10,000 bugs form CHANGING the CODE of the CLIENT. 1.True, I know I'm betting on myself. 2.Chicken fights? I don't think they take two month vacations, if so maybe I need to think about changing fields....
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:45:00 - [22] Originally by: Spinnukur Originally by: MotherMoon maybe the dev are betting on the number of whines before the patch goes live? I mean hell, if they released the patch right away what would they get to bet on? by the way I think it's just because people are still on vacation and are just getting back, so they need people in case of 10,000 bugs form CHANGING the CODE of the CLIENT. 1.True, I know I'm betting on myself. 2.Chicken fights? I don't think they take two month vacations, if so maybe I need to think about changing fields.... no but I think they go on vaction in shifts. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Spinnukur Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:45:00 - [23] Originally by: Kil'Roy Originally by: Spinnukur Edited by: Spinnukur on 21/07/2007 21:15:15 I'm going to post this in as many sub topics on the forums as possible. This is directly to the devs at CCP: First off, I don't know what in world is happening but this crap has got to stop with the servers crashing for three hours every night, or huge desynch happening when large gangs are engaged with only handful of hostile ships. Is this your answer to lag, desynch? I read the next rev patch notes and noticed a little thing about memory leakage and EVE crashing, don't you think it would be smarter to release that patch early so to try and get these problems fixed? I know I/we are not the only ones having problems with desynch, our friends, and enemies are also having the same problem. This needs to stop, and NOW! Otherwise, I would think that alot of pilots in EVE that if they die, and others in their gang desynch after them, that those pilots who died might converge on sending huge amounts of petitions to the deves and flood them with complaints to not only request their ships back but to also petittion the desynch but thats just my opinion. This is not a hostile thread, and therefore should not be deleted by any moderator, and fyi this is a general discussion topic also, and if you read it carefully at no time did I ask for mass petitions I'm getting sick of seeing posts like this,... What is with all this whinning, Nerf this, fix this or I'll leave, buff this or I'm gone, "Fix MY favorite thing or your prove yourself worthless. Did I say I'm going to leave...um NO! I'm venting my anger Kil'Roy which I'm allowed to do, don't mess up my chi more then it already is!
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:46:00 - [24] I called the waahmbulance for you, but they said they were too busy working the cloaking threads Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:47:00 - [25] haha it's ok to whine and be frustrated, but isn't it ok for us to be frustrated too? ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:47:00 - [26] Then unplug yourself from the "Matrix", go outside and realize there is blue sky out there and it is not falling.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:48:00 - [27] the sky is grey here.... Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:49:00 - [28] Originally by: Kil'Roy Then unplug yourself from the "Matrix", go outside and realize there is blue sky out there and it is not falling. the problem is EvE is the matrix, and is full of bugs, and in a way, the sky outside IS falling. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
The Pointless Gallente Plastic Toys	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:50:00 - [29] Edited by: The Pointless on 21/07/2007 21:51:09 Originally by: Spinnukur I don't think they take two month vacations, if so maybe I need to think about changing fields.... You act as if these issues can be solved in a couple of hours or a week or something. They can't. I've seen problems, not with EVE, but they've taken more than a month to knock on the head. Solved with a constant effort to solve it, amid several whingbags screaming "What's being done about it??????????". ----------------------------------------------- "Breaking News! The Pointless hates GIFs!"
Spinnukur Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:51:00 - [30] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Kil'Roy Then unplug yourself from the "Matrix", go outside and realize there is blue sky out there and it is not falling. the problem is EvE is the matrix, and is full of bugs, and in a way, the sky outside IS falling. I <3 you!
Spinnukur Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:55:00 - [31] Edited by: Spinnukur on 21/07/2007 21:55:21 Originally by: The Pointless Edited by: The Pointless on 21/07/2007 21:51:09 Originally by: Spinnukur I don't think they take two month vacations, if so maybe I need to think about changing fields.... You act as if these issues can be solved in a couple of hours or a week or something. They can't. I've seen problems, not with EVE, but they've taken more than a month to knock on the head. Solved with a constant effort to solve it, amid several whingbags screaming "What's being done about it??????????". Actually no I didn't that is why I said this problem has been has been going on for quite some time! Read, before you open your mouth, words only mean one thing, not twenty!
NeoTech Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:56:00 - [32] Originally by: Tortun Nahme I still haven't desynced, even in a 20 man fleet mission running escapade (long story) EVEN in? You make it sounds like 20 man gangs are real fleets. :S fofofo
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:58:00 - [33] Originally by: Spinnukur Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Kil'Roy Then unplug yourself from the "Matrix", go outside and realize there is blue sky out there and it is not falling. the problem is EvE is the matrix, and is full of bugs, and in a way, the sky outside IS falling. I <3 you! yeah everything is bugged :P but you know what? those are the breaks ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.21 22:01:00 - [34] Originally by: NeoTech Originally by: Tortun Nahme I still haven't desynced, even in a 20 man fleet mission running escapade (long story) EVEN in? You make it sounds like 20 man gangs are real fleets. :S have you EVER taken a 20 man fleet into a mission zone? you think lag is bad with just 200 ships try 200 ships 500 asteroids and a whole buttload of structures Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon
The Pointless Gallente Plastic Toys	Posted - 2007.07.21 22:02:00 - [35] Originally by: Spinnukur Edited by: Spinnukur on 21/07/2007 21:55:21 Originally by: The Pointless Edited by: The Pointless on 21/07/2007 21:51:09 Originally by: Spinnukur I don't think they take two month vacations, if so maybe I need to think about changing fields.... You act as if these issues can be solved in a couple of hours or a week or something. They can't. I've seen problems, not with EVE, but they've taken more than a month to knock on the head. Solved with a constant effort to solve it, amid several whingbags screaming "What's being done about it??????????". Actually no I didn't that is why I said this problem has been has been going on for quite some time! Read, before you open your mouth, words only mean one thing, not twenty! You're still acting like you know how fast this could have been solved and the patch rolled out though. Which you don't. ----------------------------------------------- "Breaking News! The Pointless hates GIFs!"
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.07.21 22:10:00 - [36] Originally by: The Pointless Originally by: Spinnukur Edited by: Spinnukur on 21/07/2007 21:55:21 Originally by: The Pointless Edited by: The Pointless on 21/07/2007 21:51:09 Originally by: Spinnukur I don't think they take two month vacations, if so maybe I need to think about changing fields.... You act as if these issues can be solved in a couple of hours or a week or something. They can't. I've seen problems, not with EVE, but they've taken more than a month to knock on the head. Solved with a constant effort to solve it, amid several whingbags screaming "What's being done about it??????????". Actually no I didn't that is why I said this problem has been has been going on for quite some time! Read, before you open your mouth, words only mean one thing, not twenty! You're still acting like you know how fast this could have been solved and the patch rolled out though. Which you don't. No pointless, let's here him out. I'm sure the OP knows the source of the desync problem because he's been working with CCP and testing their fixes along with many other helpful players. He's probably very qualified regarding network infrastructure, Stackless Python, and locking issues involving massive concurrent threads. Well OP, why don't you explain it for us? If not, I direct you to my signature. ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION IBTL! IBDS/DC! IBTC! 1st in a BoB post! And other such forum tom-foolery.
Spinnukur Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.21 22:17:00 - [37] Originally by: The Pointless Originally by: Spinnukur Edited by: Spinnukur on 21/07/2007 21:55:21 Originally by: The Pointless Edited by: The Pointless on 21/07/2007 21:51:09 Originally by: Spinnukur I don't think they take two month vacations, if so maybe I need to think about changing fields.... You act as if these issues can be solved in a couple of hours or a week or something. They can't. I've seen problems, not with EVE, but they've taken more than a month to knock on the head. Solved with a constant effort to solve it, amid several whingbags screaming "What's being done about it??????????". Actually no I didn't that is why I said this problem has been has been going on for quite some time! Read, before you open your mouth, words only mean one thing, not twenty! You're still acting like you know how fast this could have been solved and the patch rolled out though. Which you don't. I'm not acting like anything, CCP, multi million dollar company, a few hundred employees at its disposal if not more, thats my general observation! At no time did I say it only takes a few hours, you said that my friend!
The Pointless Gallente Plastic Toys	Posted - 2007.07.21 22:21:00 - [38] Edited by: The Pointless on 21/07/2007 22:21:48 Originally by: Spinnukur I'm not acting like anything, CCP, multi million dollar company, a few hundred employees at its disposal if not more, thats my general observation! At no time did I say it only takes a few hours, you said that my friend! I also said "Or a week or something". And what are you trying to say with that "CCP, multi million dollar company, a few hundred employees at its disposal if not more" 'observation'? ----------------------------------------------- "Breaking News! The Pointless hates GIFs!"
Spinnukur Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.21 22:22:00 - [39] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: The Pointless Originally by: Spinnukur Edited by: Spinnukur on 21/07/2007 21:55:21 Originally by: The Pointless Edited by: The Pointless on 21/07/2007 21:51:09 Originally by: Spinnukur I don't think they take two month vacations, if so maybe I need to think about changing fields.... You act as if these issues can be solved in a couple of hours or a week or something. They can't. I've seen problems, not with EVE, but they've taken more than a month to knock on the head. Solved with a constant effort to solve it, amid several whingbags screaming "What's being done about it??????????". Actually no I didn't that is why I said this problem has been has been going on for quite some time! Read, before you open your mouth, words only mean one thing, not twenty! You're still acting like you know how fast this could have been solved and the patch rolled out though. Which you don't. No pointless, let's here him out. I'm sure the OP knows the source of the desync problem because he's been working with CCP and testing their fixes along with many other helpful players. He's probably very qualified regarding network infrastructure, Stackless Python, and locking issues involving massive concurrent threads. Well OP, why don't you explain it for us? If not, I direct you to my signature. Maybe you should read all my posts, in which I 'clearly' state that I do not know these things, but problems like this in the past have been taken care of with immediate fixes, or maybe thats because those problems caused ppl to not play the game at all, and this time you can still play, but it just craps out sometimes...think and read before you post my friend!
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.07.21 22:28:00 - [40] Originally by: Spinnukur Maybe you should read all my posts, in which I 'clearly' state that I do not know these things, but problems like this in the past have been taken care of with immediate fixes, or maybe thats because those problems caused ppl to not play the game at all, and this time you can still play, but it just craps out sometimes...think and read before you post my friend! Except you don't know exactly what "problems like that" entail because we don't know the exact nature of the problems, and therefore cannot know the amount of effort required to fix it. This bug is, without a doubt, the highest priority bug that CCP is attempting to fix due to the sheer number of players it affects and the fact that it's having a negative impact on alliance warfare of all sizes. ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION IBTL! IBDS/DC! IBTC! 1st in a BoB post! And other such forum tom-foolery.
Spinnukur Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.21 22:38:00 - [41] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Spinnukur Maybe you should read all my posts, in which I 'clearly' state that I do not know these things, but problems like this in the past have been taken care of with immediate fixes, or maybe thats because those problems caused ppl to not play the game at all, and this time you can still play, but it just craps out sometimes...think and read before you post my friend! Except you don't know exactly what "problems like that" entail because we don't know the exact nature of the problems, and therefore cannot know the amount of effort required to fix it. This bug is, without a doubt, the highest priority bug that CCP is attempting to fix due to the sheer number of players it affects and the fact that it's having a negative impact on alliance warfare of all sizes. Your right I don't know the exact details of the problem, buts what I do know. When RMR first came out, CCP released an emergency patch within 24 hours because so many ppl's clinet was crashing, an error that did not on happen on the test server, yet when ppl can play the game but theirs still problems, CCP always takes it's time on fixing these problems....any other player who paid attention to these things will tell you the exact same thing!
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.07.21 22:43:00 - [42] Originally by: Spinnukur Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Spinnukur Maybe you should read all my posts, in which I 'clearly' state that I do not know these things, but problems like this in the past have been taken care of with immediate fixes, or maybe thats because those problems caused ppl to not play the game at all, and this time you can still play, but it just craps out sometimes...think and read before you post my friend! Except you don't know exactly what "problems like that" entail because we don't know the exact nature of the problems, and therefore cannot know the amount of effort required to fix it. This bug is, without a doubt, the highest priority bug that CCP is attempting to fix due to the sheer number of players it affects and the fact that it's having a negative impact on alliance warfare of all sizes. Your right I don't know the exact details of the problem, buts what I do know. When RMR first came out, CCP released an emergency patch within 24 hours because so many ppl's clinet was crashing, an error that did not on happen on the test server, yet when ppl can play the game but theirs still problems, CCP always takes it's time on fixing these problems....any other player who paid attention to these things will tell you the exact same thing! Except without evidence to support that the client crashing bug and the desync bug take the same amount of time to solve, we have no idea of the difference in effort needed. So unless you can provide that information, you have no grounds on which to make the assumption that the difference in fixing time was due to any preference on CCP's part. ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION IBTL! IBDS/DC! IBTC! 1st in a BoB post! And other such forum tom-foolery.
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2007.07.21 22:48:00 - [43] Edited by: Washell Olivaw on 21/07/2007 22:47:52 Originally by: Spinnukur Your right I don't know the exact details of the problem, buts what I do know. When RMR first came out, CCP released an emergency patch within 24 hours because so many ppl's clinet was crashing, an error that did not on happen on the test server, yet when ppl can play the game but theirs still problems, CCP always takes it's time on fixing these problems....any other player who paid attention to these things will tell you the exact same thing! Client code is a heck of a lot simpler than server code. It's a dumb terminal with a graphics and sound engine. 2nd, Microsoft is a multi-billion dollar company with 1000's of employees and a problem will have to be mighty serious to divert them from their regular once a month patch schedule. So that's a silly statement to make. You don't just roll back a cluster of servers like Eve is running on when you find out your patch doesn't entirely work as expected. So unless a problem is really serious, it goes through the normal, perhaps somewhat accelerated procedure. And like it not, desynch is extremely annoying but not yet over the limit of absolutely gamebreaking. And as someone who knows what havoc emergency patches can cause, I'm mighty glad CCP takes their time to fix things. Quote: Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Zkillz kun Beets and Gravy Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.21 22:57:00 - [44] spinnukur you seem to be the only person not seeing the reason that other players are laying infront of you. let me reiterate it once more for you. You don't know the exact nature of the problem, the steps necessary to solve it, or even if is a problem cause by ccp's code. You present no viable solution or any evidence to ccp's action or non-action in the matter. All you are doing is making groundless claims about the speed at which the patch is being put just because you want to play the game. If this is such a problem why don't you suspend your account and wait untill these desync issues have been resolved(and as a player with sub-par wireless i haven't noticed any lag beyond normal) that way ccp doesn't get any money for wasting your obviously precious time.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.21 23:51:00 - [45] if you still have this problem come wednesday take my advice and fix your computer already ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
PanzerGrenadier Caldari Target Practice Inc. Frontline.	Posted - 2007.07.21 23:57:00 - [46] Originally by: Ex0101 Edited by: Ex0101 on 21/07/2007 21:16:53 Theyve announced the python update coming this week which should help with the desync issue, cross your fingers :) EDIT : ooo mod beat me to it :P Right, just like Dragon fixed the lag too.
Spinnukur Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.22 00:17:00 - [47] Originally by: SiJira if you still have this problem come wednesday take my advice and fix your computer already I more then assure you its not my computer, why don't you post with your main???
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.22 00:20:00 - [48] Originally by: Spinnukur Originally by: SiJira if you still have this problem come wednesday take my advice and fix your computer already I more then assure you its not my computer, why don't you post with your main??? if its not then i better see you coming down and getting show by me on wednesday ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Trak Cranker Serenity Inc	Posted - 2007.07.22 00:59:00 - [49] Originally by: Spinnukur Your right I don't know the exact details of the problem, buts what I do know. When RMR first came out, CCP released an emergency patch within 24 hours because so many ppl's clinet was crashing, an error that did not on happen on the test server, yet when ppl can play the game but theirs still problems, CCP always takes it's time on fixing these problems....any other player who paid attention to these things will tell you the exact same thing! Spin, can you lay out for us, how you know that CCP has not given this the outmost of attention? Can you lay out for us, how you know that they have not migrated this fix as fast as they think a safe and secure migration of the fix can be done? Can you lay out for us, how the fixes you mention can be compared, in terms of what needed to be changed to fix the problem, to the desync problem? Please?
C601	Posted - 2007.07.22 02:15:00 - [50] Edited by: C601 on 22/07/2007 02:15:01 My problem is with desync is your petition a loss of a ship only gets you the copy and paste reply .. sorry we saw no issues with the server at that time. Thanks come again. Tri will remember 2 weeks ago @ ROIR .. massive sync and lag. @ the gate. Lots of ships lost b/c of it. I know CCP are working on it, but I am not holding my breath on a total fix.
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.07.22 03:14:00 - [51] Ive desynched 3 times, losing a Raven each time, in what Im told is a "really easy combat mission" I petitioned and got the ships back, but wtf is the point of trying to run a mission where you dont even see your shields go down till yer in a pod, or you try to warp out (like 6 times) and your ship just sits there - not turning, not moving, nothing at all, until pop, or everything goes slideshow till it all stops and you cant do anything and after a while, you are again in a pod? Im not fighting against the enemies in the mission anymore, Im apparently fighting against the stability of the server and the server is winning. Ive decided that for the time being, I am going to take a break from EVE. Ill put on a nice, really long skill, and let the time on my sub run out. Ill watch the forums every so often to watch and see if this problem goes away, if they ever fix it. No, Im not going to go play WoW or anything stupid like that, I think Im gonna spend some time playing lag-free single player games, and give the MMO genre a break for now. Hopefully, some day they will fix this problem, but until then, I dont see the point in paying for/trying to play a game where I cant advance because the stability of the server is broken. As far as the recent downtime goes, downtime is to be expected in a MMO and, another reason why Im gonna avoid them for a while. My last reason for avoiding these games is that the computer rarely cheats. Fly safe, and have fun >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Im taking my stuff to oblivion with me :p
Manic Smile Tau Ceti Global Production Angels Of Discord	Posted - 2007.07.22 04:32:00 - [52] Originally by: Richard Aiel Ive desynched 3 times, losing a Raven each time, in what Im told is a "really easy combat mission" A few weeks back or so nearly lost a faction fitted Raven and a friend his faction booster hawk to a lvl 4 mission that I've done many times before easily. Suffice to say I don't run missions in Dodixie any longer and I've sold the Raven for a much sturdier Drake. Relying on petitions are nice and all but I almost lost a Domi a week back or so to Fisty because my drones went all funny and CCPs response was 'no bug' so I'll pass on taking chances with this bs. I have to say I sympathize with the OP, I heard it said it's fixed now and I'll withhold my worries till someone says otherwise but for a major gamebreaking bug for many people, it sure took CCP a while to fix it. And frankly it's the lack of response by CCP and it's usual ostrich in the dirt behavior that's the real annoyance. *courtesy of www.flickr.com I hate the jpeg format.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.07.22 06:25:00 - [53] I really like this thread. "I don't know what's causing the desynch bug or how to fix it, but CCP clearly could have fixed it sooner if they wanted." I used to get It. Then It changed. Now I don't even know what It is.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.07.22 06:59:00 - [54] Originally by: Richard Aiel Ill watch the forums every so often to watch and see if this problem goes away, if they ever fix it. Originally by: Deckard Bishop please read this thread and these patch notes for tuesdays patch. a fix is there for the desync issue Maybe you should stop pretending that you are actually reading anything.
Ryum852	Posted - 2007.07.22 07:53:00 - [55] Originally by: Tortun Nahme I called the waahmbulance for you, but they said they were too busy working the cloaking threads a serious lol.. that and your sig... Awesome. Nerfageddon pretty much sums up all the MMOs I have played before. On topic, I don't like it when my ship blows up when I am already a few seconds into warp, or finished warping then BOOM. But has only happened twice so far(I think), and were frigates so didn't feel compelled to petition.
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.07.22 07:59:00 - [56] Originally by: F'nog I really like this thread. "I don't know what's causing the desynch bug or how to fix it, but CCP clearly could have fixed it sooner if they wanted." I do too cause the problem didnt exist till now but they already have a fix for it TBH Ill believe that theres a fix when the patch comes and things DONT go to hell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Im taking my stuff to oblivion with me :p
Cletus Graeme Caldari Bladerunners Mordus Angels	Posted - 2007.07.22 08:28:00 - [57] Edited by: Cletus Graeme on 22/07/2007 08:29:23 Originally by: Zkillz kun spinnukur you seem to be the only person not seeing the reason that other players are laying infront of you. let me reiterate it once more for you. ... spinnukur = pwned
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.07.22 08:44:00 - [58] Originally by: Richard Aiel Originally by: F'nog I really like this thread. "I don't know what's causing the desynch bug or how to fix it, but CCP clearly could have fixed it sooner if they wanted." I do too cause the problem didnt exist till now but they already have a fix for it TBH Ill believe that theres a fix when the patch comes and things DONT go to hell I'm confused by your first sentence. This problem isn't exactly new. It's been around since Rev2 came out, so that's over a month, I think. That's plenty of time to find a fix for it, in theory. It's not like desynching started suddenly this week. But I agree, I'll believe it when the patch is out and there is proof that it works. I used to get It. Then It changed. Now I don't even know what It is.
Ssoraszh Tzarszh Minmatar Grumpy Old Farts Gruntfuttocks	Posted - 2007.07.22 09:00:00 - [59] OMG THE SKY IS FALLINK!!!!111ONEONEELEVEN CCP is fixing it noobs, try to be somewhat active in teh comunity and actualy help out when they (CCP) as you to and log on to testserver or run the logserver and upload logs with a bugreport to give them information in stead of whining like this. You might have found out that there will be a patch on Tuesday with a 'possible fix' as CCP are testing that right now.

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