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Dukath Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.23 18:08:00 - [61] I have a year long subscription to the theaters. Do you really think it would be allowed to share my 'account' there and let a friend go in my place? Why would it be different for an online game? You pay for a service, not your friend. You have absolutely no right to give someone else access to CCPs services.
Ftang Ftang	Posted - 2007.07.23 18:09:00 - [62] End User License Agreement 1. The first rule of the EULA is, we don't talk about the EULA. 2. The second rule of the EULA is, we DO NOT TALK ABOUT THE EULA. 3. If someone says stop, goes limp, taps out, the EULA is over. 4. Two guys to a EULA. 5. One EULA at a time. 6. No shirts, no shoes, no EULA. 7. The EULA will go on as long as it has to. 8. If this is your first night at the EULA, you have to RTFEULA.
Nobues Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.23 18:31:00 - [63] Edited by: Nobues on 23/07/2007 18:32:21 Edited by: Nobues on 23/07/2007 18:31:18 You answered your own question in your topic This isnt a "gray area" as you call it. Its simple you can't not share your account username or password, or you can be baned. Not just you, but the person who you share your account with also could be baned. This is very simple the first time you started eve, you agree to this. If you downloaded eve, you agreed to this. You do not pay to have an account, you only pay to the right to play the game, you own nothing else beyond this point. YOU do not own your account or anything on it. CCP does they have the right to ban, disable, delete, or in other words what ever they wish to do. This rule has ALWAYS, and I MEAN ALWAYS been here and its ALWAYS!!! been this way. I think the ELUA hasn't been edited for what 4 or 5 years now. So please do not say its just got added. Again to quote you "I pay for the account, this account is mine to do as i wish,". You do not pay for the account you pay for the right to play the game simple as that. Nothing more to end. MOD! Requesting lock. Webhosting & Killboard for you, your corp, and your Alliance Click me for more info
Kruel Blunt Force Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.23 18:44:00 - [64] "Drugs and alcohol are bad, mmmkay?" Does that stop us from doing them? No! But they have to say it anyway (disclaimer).
Shadowrunner99	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:09:00 - [65] Originally by: Kruel "Drugs and alcohol are bad, mmmkay?" Does that stop us from doing them? No! But they have to say it anyway (disclaimer). One is legal (if your of age) and one isnt, thats what stops most people.
Saul E'ssiar Amarr AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.07.23 23:52:00 - [66] Originally by: Nobues Edited by: Nobues on 23/07/2007 18:32:21 Edited by: Nobues on 23/07/2007 18:31:18 This rule has ALWAYS, and I MEAN ALWAYS been here and its ALWAYS!!! been this way. I think the ELUA hasn't been edited for what 4 or 5 years now. So please do not say its just got added. MOD! Requesting lock. This was not in the Eula when i started it, it was added in a little over 2 or 3 months ago...also, this is not your thread to ask for lock.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.23 23:56:00 - [67] Originally by: Saul E'ssiar This was not in the Eula when i started it, it was added in a little over 2 or 3 months ago...also, this is not your thread to ask for lock. Oh well in that case, I am sure they will be willing to bend the rules for you. Send me you account details and I will change your skill for you. My email address is [email protected] I, erm, like kill things and stuff
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:03:00 - [68] Originally by: Bimjo Originally by: baaaaal Originally by: Tortun Nahme Originally by: Gutsani eula isnt worth anything in court anyway .. only 1 or 2 coutnries on the planet have EVER overturned an eula. Furthermore, it doesn't matter if it holds up in court because no court can FORCE ccp to let you play if they choose to deny you service (ie ban) proof or stfu. you won't get any, this guy is a forum troll,especially in threads where people ask for advice proof or stfu, you call me a troll after a statement like that? I have one 1 case where the EULA was overturned, and was upheld on appeal, and ONLY 1, so please, go ahead spew the media line about how unbinding eula's are whilst the rest of the world laughs at you for being a tool http://www.fairterms.org/pdf/EULAcases.pdf Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon
Saul E'ssiar Amarr AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:14:00 - [69] I can see a lot of you guys lived behind closed doors and had a sheltered life believing everything you read as facts. Some of you might even think the police could never commit a crime... Just so you know, I am not banned, I am not sharing an account, The main reason I posted about this is I take offence to someone telling me what I can do with my account and who I can have connect and use it. Basicly it is not allowed to sell your char for real money, this is the only real rule thats been enforced. I have seen isk farmer's, macro miners banned, then see them back after a short amount of time, I see people in empire blowing up newbs and haulers, then being smart enough to dock or get away from concord (witch is a bannable offence for some reason), get warned 3 times, banned, then account reinstated. Eve_online is an investment of time and can be argued just as much as a devorce in todays world. Both Eve-Online and myself as well as everyone on here invests time and energy into this game. It is full of emotions, lots of ups and downs. This is why I am here to play just as most everyone else is. I do not think in a lot of ways CCP is unfare, I just protest to the line in the topic.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:17:00 - [70] protest all you want, but don't think for a moment they will change it Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.24 00:24:00 - [71] Originally by: Saul E'ssiar I can see a lot of you guys lived behind closed doors and had a sheltered life believing everything you read as facts. Some of you might even think the police could never commit a crime... Oh dear, the condescending has started. Yes I have lived a sheltered life oh wise one, you are so much superior to us all. No one can tell you what to do as you are ....oh wait...you are just a little boy who can't have their way Stamp your foot a bit harder and swear some more, it will work for sure I, erm, like kill things and stuff
Manta Avoid	Posted - 2007.08.17 01:56:00 - [72] Originally by: Leandro Salazar You know, an EULA violation means they CAN ban. Not that they HAVE TO or WILL. Damned straight. Look at all the macro miners still out there. Banning isn't first priority for CCP, it's keeping the server stable and playable for all you paying customers. And secondly - if you can't deal with the terms specified in the EULA, buy the card game and play that. No-one's stopping u from sharing ur deck.
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.08.17 06:22:00 - [73] Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 17/08/2007 06:22:07 I had this issue some months ago, and had long conversations with some GM:s. You can and will be banned for breaking the EULA, especially consciously. I couldn't disagree any more with the damn EULA, but I had to yield. What frustrates me the most is that people share capitals all over EVE, and I know people who have shared capital accounts since the beta-days and never got as much as a warning. Gotta love it when the rules aren't really enforced, just examplified. - Recruitment open again-
Cutie Chaser Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.17 08:33:00 - [74] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin What frustrates me the most is that people share capitals all over EVE, and I know people who have shared capital accounts since the beta-days and never got as much as a warning. Your friends had capital accounts since beta? I somehow doubt it :P *** Thats a Templar, the amarr fighter. Its a combat drone used by carriers.
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.17 09:26:00 - [75] Edited by: Jaikar Isillia on 17/08/2007 09:27:05 DO share your account and let other people change skills etc w/e DO NOT get caught. Life's quite simple.
heheheh Singularity. Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.08.17 09:31:00 - [76] Its not right you aggreed to the EULA when in fact you didnt aggree.
Mashie Saldana Hooligans Of War	Posted - 2007.08.17 09:43:00 - [77] Originally by: baaaaal eula doesnt stand up in most courts outside of america because its like a binding contract that you can not see when you purchase the non refundable game. care to sign a contract before you can see what your agreeing to? lawsuits against mmo's are being taken far more serious recently as well with all the stuff going on around second life people seem to understand them more. Except you don't as EVE is a free download that you can install, after reading and agreeing to the EULA, without having an account. Now if you managed to buy a PC with EVE preinstalled you will still be able to read the EULA at the login screen so yet again no need for an account before reading the EULA.
Imhothar Xarodit Minmatar Wolverine Solutions Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.17 09:51:00 - [78] Edited by: Imhothar Xarodit on 17/08/2007 09:52:43 I will only give a few links here which may explain some of the phrases mentioned in this thread: Software License Software License Agreement Enforcability Basically it all depends on the country and law base you live in. EULAs don't have any legal implications in Germany as they don't make a contract, neither are mentioned in our law books as parts of contracts and they aren't formal agreements. One thing stil holds true: Each subscription of EVE is a servicing contract. You accept to pay for a service and not for physical objects. Your account (in electronical form on CCP's servers), basically all forms of computer software, are legally considered intellectual property (IP), as it is not physically manifest (i.e. the electrons on CCP's harddrive or the sinks on a CD), in contrary to so called "movable objects". Therefore, you have no right, whatsoever, on your account's ownership. You pay for the service of using it and as such (as it is CCP's IP) have to obey by the rules CCP states in order to be allowed to use it. This is real law, and no court will ever agree with you that you have any right of ownership on your account, your characters or the items inbound. Note the term "your" is used in form of seisin, not ownership. It is also real law, that CCP are not forced to offer you their service. A "ban" is therefore their way of saying "we don't want business with you anymore" and nobody can force them otherwise if they give proper reason (which I'm not sure if it's really required). Hope this makes soe things a bit clear.

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.08.17 09:59:00 - [79] Originally by: Saul E'ssiar Remember, sharing your username and password is a EULA violation. What is this ? I pay for the account, this account is mine to do as i wish, you might own the chars but the account should be mine. I would like this explained to me more why you (CCP) think this is legit and in anyway could stand up in court. It is not right that I can not have someone log in for me to change skills or set up a ship, it is not right of you to tell me I can not do the same for someone else. I can understand you not allowing someone else to play someones char but there needs to be lines drawn and not the way you have gone. Since playing this game its really gone downhill in a lot of areas, the forums are so guarded now compared to where they were when eve was released, you just can't speak you mind.that was a big gripe for me and still is, but this added into the ELUA is not right in any shape or form IMHO and I would like this explained as a paying member of this community. * Please do not flame this thread and do not lock it, I am not fishing as Flame bait, I want answers.* When you pay for software you generally don't own it, you just pay for the privilege of using it according to certain rules, such as the EULA etc. This is really true for all software like Windows, Outlook and so on, not only EVE. I'm not a legal expert, but it's more like renting than owning and the EULA states what you're allowed to do with the rented product. You're basically paying for one person to use one account and no one else. A lot of cases where stuff or even the whole account has been stolen has started with account sharing. I saw some example where someone used an internet friend yopu've known for 2 weeks as an example, but don't think your childhood friend that you've known for most of your life and lives in the same town as you wouldn't do it, we've seen plenty of those cases too. Wrangler Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

Patricia Bateman	Posted - 2007.08.17 10:57:00 - [80] zezima
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.08.17 11:30:00 - [81] well i can understand why they do it, but they could have just turned it into ' ccp takes no responsibility whatsoever when u share ur account' offcourse if u don't tell them then they don't know do they? but if u get screwed over by your friend then don't go running to ccp to whine CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Fry Cook	Posted - 2007.08.17 11:42:00 - [82] For the sake of argument lets say for a moment that it was actually an invalid clause in the EULA. What do you think you could actually get if you sued them over it? Free game time? The first legal consultation would cost more than you you will probably ever spend on subscription fees anyhow. stupid thread.
Alesha Kalishi	Posted - 2007.08.17 11:51:00 - [83] Wrangler - before you lock this. :) what are the rules regards family members using your account? am i allowed to let my little brother use the alt? (its not quite slave labor) also, why isnt there a simple 'if you let someone use your account, and it gets robbed. its your own fault' clause? Would seem simpler? thanks
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.17 11:56:00 - [84] I really wish anyone who is logged in 23/7 would be summarily banned, especially if logs showed them actually doing stuff for almost all of that time except for periods where they log in and out briefly Originally by: Khavi Vetali Oh don't worry, the goons are just as suicidal with their battleships as they are with their frigates.
Shurikane	Posted - 2007.08.17 12:18:00 - [85] Originally by: Alesha Kalishi why isnt there a simple 'if you let someone use your account, and it gets robbed. its your own fault' clause? People wouldn't even begin to read this clause. The way the world is shaped is if good things happen, it's because the community requisitioned it. If bad things happen, it's CCP's fault. Therefore, right now, CCP says "no sharing accounts!" and everybody goes "OMFG CCP IZ LIEK MEGA CONTROLLIN" But if CCP had said "account sharing is all right", community would go "OMFG KOREANS PLAYIN THIS GAME AND RUININ IT CCP LIEK DOESNT CARE BOUT ITS PLAYAS" Damned if you do, damned if you don't. The way it is right now, is that it makes things easier on their side because if someone *****es and whines about getting his account stolen, they can just tell him he did a bannable offense and suffered exactly the consequences CCP were trying to avoid by enforcing the rule.
Altaree Red Frog Investments	Posted - 2007.08.17 13:52:00 - [86] The real question is: Does CCP hunt down account sharing pro-actively or do then use this EULA clause as a club against those who share an account and then get burned. I am guessing the second one, but I don't want to try to prove the first. I only say this because I have seen hints of things called Cyno networks that lead me to believe that people do share accounts and aren't banned for this action.
Cutie Chaser Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.18 00:16:00 - [87] Originally by: Altaree The real question is: Does CCP hunt down account sharing pro-actively or do then use this EULA clause as a club against those who share an account and then get burned. A silly question to ask :P Either way there is no chance that a CCP employee is going to answer you and say "Feel free to violate the EULA, we just won't help yopu if you get screwed". If you ask they are sure to say that they will punish those who share accounts. And if you admit to such a thing, you'll surly eat the appropriate punishment. A more diplomatic phrasing of the question that is asked: Does CCP actively hunt down, script for, or review logs to search for account sharing? *** Thats a Templar, the amarr fighter. Its a combat drone used by carriers.
Barlaka Amarr	Posted - 2007.08.18 02:18:00 - [88] Originally by: Saul E'ssiar What is this ? I pay for the account, this account is mine to do as i wish, you might own the chars but the account should be mine. I would like this explained to me more why you (CCP) think this is legit and in anyway could stand up in court. Originally by: EULA The sole and exclusive forum for resolving any controversy, dispute or claim arising out of or relating to the EULA, or otherwise relating to any rights in, access to or use of the Software, System, Game, Game Content, User Content and/or the rights and obligations of the parties hereto, shall be the District Court of Reykjavfk, Iceland, (HTra=sd=mur Reykjavfkur). You hereby expressly waive and agree not to raise any and all objections based on personal jurisdiction, venue and/or inconvenience of such forum and agree to the jurisdiction of the District Court of Reykjavfk, Iceland. Every time i read a post and see the word legal it *****s me up. It's the funniest thing thinking about some pale gamer flying to Reykjavfk to demand there lost ship, waving a killmail about as they rave on about jita or something. Catch the bullet or carry the gun The choice is yours

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