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Todd Jaeger
BLOOM. 0ccupational Hazzard
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Posted - 2012.01.11 11:44:00 -
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earlier i jumped in 0.0 and there was a cormorant at 100km,he locked me and start shooting.
heres the damage
11:39:17 Combat 150mm Railgun II belonging to megalow blackstar hits you, doing 201.3 damage.
39:19 Combat 150mm Railgun II belonging to megalow blackstar heavily hits you, inflicting 244.5 damage.
11:39:21 Combat 150mm Railgun II belonging to megalow blackstar heavily hits you, inflicting 236.8 damage.
seems a little bit too much. |
Aamrr
210
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Posted - 2012.01.11 11:59:00 -
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...Context? What were your resists? Signature radius? Transversal? What was he fitting? How many magstabs? What quality? What ammunition was he using? What were his skills? Engineering 4 and Destroyer 2? Or something a little more impressive?
You've given us three data points. I may not be a huge fan of Hybrid ships, but even I'm not going to make a judgment on ground that shaky. |
Todd Jaeger
BLOOM. 0ccupational Hazzard
3
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Posted - 2012.01.11 12:01:00 -
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Aamrr wrote:...Context? What were your resists? Signature radius? Transversal? What was he fitting? How many magstabs? What quality? What ammunition was he using? What were his skills? Engineering 4 and Destroyer 2? Or something a little more impressive?
You've given us three data points. I may not be a huge fan of Hybrid ships, but even I'm not going to make a judgment on ground that shaky.
doesnt seem a bit too much for a destroyer to snipe for a ton of damage from 100km? |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
53
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Posted - 2012.01.11 12:06:00 -
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But damage always looks high if you have no resist and are sitting there. |
Todd Jaeger
BLOOM. 0ccupational Hazzard
3
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Posted - 2012.01.11 12:07:00 -
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Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:But damage always looks high if you have no resist and are sitting there.
i was running with 4km/s |
DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
758
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Posted - 2012.01.11 12:18:00 -
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Todd Jaeger wrote:Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:But damage always looks high if you have no resist and are sitting there. i was running with 4km/s Running towards him with 0 angular velocity? With an active hull tanking setup with no damage control?
With CN AM he'll still only get 223dps. That's with a magstab rather than DCU. Also, he won't be able to fit a prop mod or tank with railguns that size. Also, he can't lock out to 100km without 2 range-scripted sebos. Also, at 100km he'll be dealing 10dps with Spike (With tracking enhancer fitted, 0dps with magstab fitted). 10dps is 32 damage volleys.
You're a terrible liar. |
Valea Silpha
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
12
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Posted - 2012.01.11 12:19:00 -
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Quickly slapping together some EFT numbers seems to show that to get those kinda hits on base resist at 100km needs a gimped fit (1x magstab, 2x TC, 2x SeBo... NOTHING else)
That nets 2.7s rof, 354 volly before resists/hit quality. Basically to do what happened to you a cormerant can do literally nothing else.
So no, thats not really unfair. Its like 100 dps at 100km. *gasp*. How shocking. |
Todd Jaeger
BLOOM. 0ccupational Hazzard
3
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Posted - 2012.01.11 12:19:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:Todd Jaeger wrote:Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:But damage always looks high if you have no resist and are sitting there. i was running with 4km/s Running towards him with 0 angular velocity? With an active hull tanking setup with no damage control? With CN AM he'll still only get 223dps. That's with a magstab rather than DCU. Also, he won't be able to fit a prop mod or tank with railguns that size. Also, he can't lock out to 100km without 2 range-scripted sebos. Also, at 100km he'll be dealing 10dps with Spike (With tracking enhancer fitted, 0dps with magstab fitted). 10dps is 32 damage volleys. You're a terrible liar.
really? |
Todd Jaeger
BLOOM. 0ccupational Hazzard
3
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Posted - 2012.01.11 12:21:00 -
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Todd Jaeger wrote:DarkAegix wrote:Todd Jaeger wrote:Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:But damage always looks high if you have no resist and are sitting there. i was running with 4km/s Running towards him with 0 angular velocity? With an active hull tanking setup with no damage control? With CN AM he'll still only get 223dps. That's with a magstab rather than DCU. Also, he won't be able to fit a prop mod or tank with railguns that size. Also, he can't lock out to 100km without 2 range-scripted sebos. Also, at 100km he'll be dealing 10dps with Spike (With tracking enhancer fitted, 0dps with magstab fitted). 10dps is 32 damage volleys. You're a terrible liar. really?
ccp can check logs. |
DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
758
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Posted - 2012.01.11 12:23:00 -
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Todd Jaeger wrote:Todd Jaeger wrote:DarkAegix wrote:Todd Jaeger wrote:Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:But damage always looks high if you have no resist and are sitting there. i was running with 4km/s Running towards him with 0 angular velocity? With an active hull tanking setup with no damage control? With CN AM he'll still only get 223dps. That's with a magstab rather than DCU. Also, he won't be able to fit a prop mod or tank with railguns that size. Also, he can't lock out to 100km without 2 range-scripted sebos. Also, at 100km he'll be dealing 10dps with Spike (With tracking enhancer fitted, 0dps with magstab fitted). 10dps is 32 damage volleys. You're a terrible liar. really? ccp can check logs. The logs show nothing. Unless of course, they do. If you're sure of what you saw, then he's a dirty cheater and you should petition.
EDIT: This fit will be able to deal 288 damage volleys at 100km, assuming 0 resists: [Cormorant, 150mm]
150mm Railgun II, Spike S 150mm Railgun II, Spike S 150mm Railgun II, Spike S 150mm Railgun II, Spike S 150mm Railgun II, Spike S 150mm Railgun II, Spike S 150mm Railgun II, Spike S [Empty High slot]
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
[Empty Rig slot] [Empty Rig slot] [Empty Rig slot] |
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Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
53
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Posted - 2012.01.11 12:25:00 -
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Or you can not run a MWD one being sniped. Just saying. |
Todd Jaeger
BLOOM. 0ccupational Hazzard
3
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Posted - 2012.01.11 12:25:00 -
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that pilot is not a cheater,ccp did the mistake of buffing hybrids too much.maybe people dont realize it yet but hybrids are overpowered. |
Mercury Maken
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.11 12:34:00 -
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The first response to your post asked for you to give specifics about the situation that the damage was done to you in but you refused to give it.
The more people question your story the more you argue their assertions with more aspects to your story that were not revealed before hand.
Just answer the first person's response to your original post and people here can better determine if what you are claiming "hybrids and destroyers buff is too strong" is in fact true. |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
53
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Posted - 2012.01.11 12:35:00 -
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Well one i see rail geddons Ill consider that statement. In the mean time Im far more conserned with them beeing underpowered. |
Todd Jaeger
BLOOM. 0ccupational Hazzard
3
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Posted - 2012.01.11 12:37:00 -
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Aamrr wrote:...Context? What were your resists? Signature radius? Transversal? - its a slicer What was he fitting? How many magstabs? What quality? - how should i know? What ammunition was he using? how should i know? probably spike What were his skills? Engineering 4 and Destroyer 2? Or something a little more impressive? how the hell should i know??
You've given us three data points. I may not be a huge fan of Hybrid ships, but even I'm not going to make a judgment on ground that shaky.
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Mereden
Space Lizards
1
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Posted - 2012.01.11 12:46:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:Todd Jaeger wrote:Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:But damage always looks high if you have no resist and are sitting there. i was running with 4km/s Running towards him with 0 angular velocity? With an active hull tanking setup with no damage control? With CN AM he'll still only get 223dps. That's with a magstab rather than DCU. Also, he won't be able to fit a prop mod or tank with railguns that size. Also, he can't lock out to 100km without 2 range-scripted sebos. Also, at 100km he'll be dealing 10dps with Spike (With tracking enhancer fitted, 0dps with magstab fitted). 10dps is 32 damage volleys. You're a terrible liar.
You're terrible at EFTing sniper fits.
[Cormorant, Sniper] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
150mm Railgun II, Spike S 150mm Railgun II, Spike S 150mm Railgun II, Spike S 150mm Railgun II, Spike S 150mm Railgun II, Spike S 150mm Railgun II, Spike S 150mm Railgun II, Spike S [empty high slot]
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator II Small Ancillary Current Router I [empty rig slot]
It's not a good fit, no tank, no prop mod, relatively expensive t2 rig, but it will do 147 EFT dps with an optimal of 95k and lock range of 110k if that's your thing. |
Mercury Maken
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.11 12:54:00 -
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Maybe I should have been clearer in my post and I apologize for that.
I don't expect you to know what he was fitting and or his relevant skills, but you should know what you were doing and what you were fitting and your relevant skills.
By the speed you said you were going at I would assume you were using your microwarpdrive, did you approach him?
What was your fit?
These questions would help people understand your situation better.
The questions about the cormorant's fittings have already been speculated on by others in this thread.
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Duchess Starbuckington
Starbuckington Manor
78
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Posted - 2012.01.11 13:11:00 -
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So basically: A sniping destroyer fitted for sniping at the expense of everything else manages decent DPS vs a target that obviously has terrible kinetic resistance - and you see a problem with this? Wow you fail at EVE.
Also if you think that's absurd damage, well, obviously you've never been on the business end of a Coercer or Thrasher. |
vorneus
Hub2
54
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Posted - 2012.01.11 15:43:00 -
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Duchess Starbuckington wrote:So basically: A sniping destroyer fitted for sniping at the expense of everything else manages decent DPS vs a target that obviously has terrible kinetic resistance - and you see a problem with this? Wow you fail at EVE. Also if you think that's absurd damage, well, obviously you've never been on the business end of a Coercer or Thrasher.
He's lucky it wasn't a Tier3 BC.
There's nothing wrong with a max-skilled Cormorant hitting out to 100km with good damage. Particularly given, as others have pointed out, it can't do anything else when fitted to do so.
Besides, instead of MWD'ing towards it in a straight line did you try just warping out? Or did they also buff Destroyer point range by 4x.
(that wasn't serious, OP needs to learn to play)
-Ed |
Duchess Starbuckington
Starbuckington Manor
81
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Posted - 2012.01.11 16:02:00 -
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I really do hope the OP runs into an alpha Thrasher or something soon, I estimate the whine post will be at least 2 or 3 times the size of this one. |
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Biced
Retaliation Nation
2
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Posted - 2012.01.11 19:41:00 -
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wow a rail cormorant being called overpowered after the rail buff....
priceless. |
Mavnas
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.01.11 20:44:00 -
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Todd Jaeger wrote:that pilot is not a cheater,ccp did the mistake of buffing hybrids too much.maybe people dont realize it yet but hybrids are overpowered.
If he's at 100km, you can just warp out you know. Or you know... be able to survive 100 dps |
Leonova Klystra
Disingenuous Duality
30
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Posted - 2012.01.12 00:43:00 -
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Todd Jaeger wrote:that pilot is not a cheater,ccp did the mistake of buffing hybrids too much.maybe people dont realize it yet but hybrids are overpowered.
Overpowered? Rails? A single ship does decent in it's role, and poof, it's op. Maybe you should watch a Rokh, Moa, and others of the hybrid gene still suck at their duties in comparison to projectiles or lasers. |
Cormallin
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.01.12 08:30:00 -
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I do so hope this is a troll thread, if it aint? well its a bit embarrassing. |
Ancy Denaries
Frontier Venture
134
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Posted - 2012.01.12 09:06:00 -
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Todd Jaeger wrote:*stuff* I am ashamed to have been in the same corp as you.
Duchess Starbuckington wrote:So basically: Also if you think that's absurd damage, well, obviously you've never been on the business end of a Coercer... I had great fun flying an anti-inty Pulse Coercer even pre-buff. It was hilarious. One volley was usually enough to discourage further engagement and if they didn't press that warp out button fast enough, the second and third volley quickly sealed the deal.
Best response I ever got was when I was baiting in a belt and a Crusader came zooming in. First volley stripped his shields and armor and left him in deep hull. He quickly warped out, unfortunately. But local: "Hooooooooly ssshhhh!" I laffed :P
It could, of course, not do much else than obliterate frigs, but it was damn good at it.
"Shoot at anything that moves. If it doesn't move, shoot it anyway, it might move later."
"Do not be too positive. The light at the end of the tunnel could be a train." - Franz Kafka |
Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Psychotic Tendencies.
156
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Posted - 2012.01.12 09:26:00 -
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Mavnas wrote:Todd Jaeger wrote:that pilot is not a cheater,ccp did the mistake of buffing hybrids too much.maybe people dont realize it yet but hybrids are overpowered. If he's at 100km, you can just warp out you know. Or you know... be able to survive 100 dps
I want to like this post 10 times.....
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vorneus
Hub2
55
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Posted - 2012.01.12 12:56:00 -
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Ris Dnalor wrote:Mavnas wrote:Todd Jaeger wrote:that pilot is not a cheater,ccp did the mistake of buffing hybrids too much.maybe people dont realize it yet but hybrids are overpowered. If he's at 100km, you can just warp out you know. Or you know... be able to survive 100 dps I want to like this post 10 times.....
Like mine instead. It says the same thing on the first page :D
-Ed |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
357
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Posted - 2012.01.12 20:03:00 -
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Todd Jaeger wrote:that pilot is not a cheater,ccp did the mistake of buffing hybrids too much.maybe people dont realize it yet but hybrids are overpowered.
either 1/10 troll, or "Y SO SRS?"
no, really. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Garmon
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
33
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Posted - 2012.01.12 20:21:00 -
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The OP was the reason his corp got kicked from Hydra, he really is as bad as it seems |
m0cking bird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
90
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Posted - 2012.01.12 20:34:00 -
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BOSS THREAD! |
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