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slothe
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.28 09:20:00 -
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as i keep saying, something has to be done about cloaking farmers, you can find one in almost every system in 0.0 for many jumps in different directions.
the problem imho is that there is NO risk for these farmers as they chain npc in 0.0. the ravens, even on a low skill character can easily kill the npc.
solutions are as follows imho-
1. make npc harder (but increase bounties) including increasing the amount of warp scrambling npc (there used to be more).
2. Make npc's give aggro for 10 mins.
3. Stop aggro clearing in next system.
4. increase penalties for cloaks - suggested has been a multipler signature radius that increases decloak range. but make fitting requirements harder.
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Bu Jinkan
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.07.28 09:32:00 -
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Who cares? The farmers aren't really hurting you.
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slothe
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.28 11:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Bu Jinkan
Who cares? The farmers aren't really hurting you.
they ruin the game experience.
eve is risk v reward. there is no risk for the farmers, they dont adhere to the rules.
i care out of principle.
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Skorg
Gallente
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.28 11:17:00 -
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Edited by: Skorg on 28/07/2007 11:17:06
Originally by: slothe
Originally by: Bu Jinkan
Who cares? The farmers aren't really hurting you.
they ruin the game experience.
eve is risk v reward. there is no risk for the farmers, they dont adhere to the rules.
i care out of principle.
Just admit it, all of outbreak are carebears and these farmers are ratting where you want to :P
Just kidding
tbh you have a point, it is a problem with a simple answer:
Make BC, CS and BS not be able to cloak, and then risk is given back untill they set up poses which they will run too.
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Anemus Thuella
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.07.28 11:24:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Anemus Thuella on 28/07/2007 11:24:49
I don't get it. The farmers are taking the same risk as anyone else in 0.0. They have to do the diplomacy thing to get into alliances and even then they get shot at. The only way to end isk-farming is to shutdown the demand. If CCP starts going after people who buy isk then the problem will be solved. I know RL parallells are a no-no but just look at the way the yanks go after coca-farmers and tell me that has been effective. |
slothe
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.28 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Skorg
Just admit it, all of outbreak are carebears and these farmers are ratting where you want to :P
Just kidding
tbh you have a point, it is a problem with a simple answer:
Make BC, CS and BS not be able to cloak, and then risk is given back untill they set up poses which they will run too.
well tbh we do npc so i dont deny this.
i think your suggestion is viable.
if they setup pos these can be attacked and at least they will have to set it up so they have to invest in time and isk doing this.
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slothe
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.28 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: slothe on 28/07/2007 11:29:34
Originally by: Anemus Thuella
Edited by: Anemus Thuella on 28/07/2007 11:24:49
I don't get it. The farmers are taking the same risk as anyone else in 0.0. They have to do the diplomacy thing to get into alliances and even then they get shot at. The only way to end isk-farming is to shutdown the demand. If CCP starts going after people who buy isk then the problem will be solved. I know RL parallells are a no-no but just look at the way the yanks go after coca-farmers and tell me that has been effective.
the risk they face is minimal. they go into 0.0 in stabbed ravens. switch fitting at local npc stations. go a few jumps out. once they are in position they are there to stay.
to quote a corp mate on our forums....
"Took a roam in wicked creek, about 40j in total.
13 Ravens cloaked on me.
3 Drakes warped out stabbed.
1 Ibis killed.
I love this game."
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.28 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron
I been trying to convince my alliance mates to set IAC to neutral because they support isk farmers. I guess it's not necessary, but I still have no respect for IAC.
I have encountered many corps such as buescrew. Some even form alliances like Soul of Fountain. They are the lowest form of scum in 0.0. I hate them all and can't wait for local nerf so I can murder them
Strangly i agree with ya 
TBH any alliance or corp that harbours isk farmers are just scum and idiots sicne they are seriously ruining the game for ppl who actualy log on to have fun . I wonder when will CCP actualy gonna take more serious approache to investigate those players and permma ban them 
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Orange Species
Minmatar
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.28 14:06:00 -
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bring back where every npc scrambles (or at least every frigate) and make agro 5mins not 2.
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tigress
Gallente
Genco
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.28 14:10:00 -
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This has been said numerous times; it is not our end to ban or decide who gets banned in this game. It is CCP's.
If anything and these guys are doing something against the EULA or by breaking some other rule, we accually help CCP by creating a buzz and _make_ them investigate them.
But I guess it is easier seeing it the other way around if you're bob and they rat in your systems and pay us.
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Del369
Caldari
Office linebackers
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.28 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Actually they're back in ! 
I just booted them out because they hadn't talked to me or paid in a week or so 
Apparently CCP then unbanned their CEO so he could start paying again \o/
They have no effect at all on my losses from the imperial geddon (70+ bil) or IAC's loss of the egg (25 bil?)
They pay a decent amount, but it's nothing that spectacular or relevant in the greater scheme of things.
Originally by: Saladin
Edit: I never post disclaimers in any of my more contrversial posts because I think anyone who thinks I am speaking for anyone other than myself is a muppet anyways.
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Talen Reaper
O.R.C. Outrage Compliant
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.28 14:52:00 -
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why do people / players buy isk ? ...its to get them high priced toys its the same in wow Or lineage 2 eq2 0r any other game were the toys make a deference ...maby ccp should increase the drop rate from all t1 crap to some of the better stuff every body wants
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.07.28 15:10:00 -
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Why buy isk when you can just extort it out of them for free by letting them rat in systems you don't own?
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CardboardSword42
Applied Eugenics
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Posted - 2007.07.28 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: CardboardSword42 on 28/07/2007 15:13:16
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Originally by: Ephemeron
I been trying to convince my alliance mates to set IAC to neutral because they support isk farmers. I guess it's not necessary, but I still have no respect for IAC.
I have encountered many corps such as buescrew. Some even form alliances like Soul of Fountain. They are the lowest form of scum in 0.0. I hate them all and can't wait for local nerf so I can murder them
Strangly i agree with ya
TBH any alliance or corp that harbours isk farmers are just scum and idiots sicne they are seriously ruining the game for ppl who actualy log on to have fun . I wonder when will CCP actualy gonna take more serious approache to investigate those players and permma ban them
I'd hardly call it "harboring" isk farmers when they pay IAC to rat in Delve or Venal :rolleyes:. Oh well express over reactionary shock and disgust at an opponent so you can look like the white knight as if you'd refuse a billion isk a week to let some stupid corp join a pet alliance and rat in scalding pass.
This isn't a defense of isk farmers, but rather I don't see why not skim a billion isk of a group of players too dumb to realize they're renting space from an alliance that doesn't even live close to the region.
As for fixing the isk farming problem, from a PvP standpoint I like Orange Species' idea. Will certainly make them easier to catch in belts, though maybe make it so you can't cloak after you've been NPC agro'd for the length of the npc aggro (only for proto/improved cloaks not covert ops)
I'm Ex-Biomass, that makes me cool
But now I'm KOS and that makes me cooler 8)
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Clean
Acceptable Losses
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Posted - 2007.07.28 15:16:00 -
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Edited by: Clean on 28/07/2007 15:19:58
Ok i normaly dont post much in this forum but this cloaking raven issue definetly has to be adressed !
I am roaming around in Scalding Pass, Wicked Creek and Insmother every day cuz my main target in eve is atm besides the goons to get as many of those isk farmers/sellers as i can
Wicked Creek alone has 30+ of em all working together getting supplied by haulers with torps. Its funny seeing peeps from Noobcorps, IAC, KOS, Goonswarm and Goonpets working together that close in the same systems with the same setups.
And Alliances like IAC or KOS lamely claiming they would just rip those farmers off is a poor lie. They offer standings so there is less risk for traveling and docking rights for ammo and fitting in exchange of some little money. Its a symbiouse of lameness no ripoff excuse works here.
I am specialized on those farmers but no matter how good and fast you are with the scanner it still works like this:
Jump load sys = 3 - 5 sec
Scan belts in average= 10 sec
Warp in average 20au (sometimes 1 sometimes 60+) = 10 - 15 sec
Lock target and or get in range = 2 - 5 sec
A raven on 0 speed to warp out max 20 sec
So u need to be very very quick and even than u need luck to get one ( thats for the average :P )
On 30 Ravens i try on i get one or two, 10 warp out when i come into the belt the rest is just on scanner until cloak
And this spending all playtime and focusing only on those suckers
Over 80% of those Ravens are for sure not making money to buy ships to pvp for thier alliance!
When u focus on making RL money via EVE u would be totaly stupid running missions.
Rattign in 0.0 is very much profit and very low risk. They are not alone but work in very organized teams.
They destroy the eve market additionaly to those marcominers with a lot of more isk input ! I have a list of over 70 ravens from just 3 Regions in the south ...i mean come on. I dont whine cuz my 0.0 life is to unfair i whine cuz it hurts me deep to see such a good game falling so deep with each user highpeak we had...who needs 30k players when the server lags out and 5k+ of those players dont play a game but focus on rl money on the expance of the peeps who actualy pay the game, cuz no isk farmer organization pays a single dime !
0.0 is not risk land where u need to teamplay with scouts and escortes,its a JOKE. Where every1 useing stabbed cloaked crap + logoffsky has allmost ZERO risk !
I do play eve for the pvp, eve is supposed to offer me this pvp when i search for it cuz this is what CCP shouts out loud where ever they can. So i spend my freetime to search for targets and try to get them ...now imagine you are a carebear (miner) warping into a belt where u scanned out some nice roids and over half of em are allready gone b4 you get visual and another 49% disapear right infront of your eyes cuz ur riods just loggoff cloak and such and all that is left is a 233 untis veldspar point ....hf.
Cloak is ok on ships like covops, stealthbombers and recons but come on a battleship or even something more like a capship can cloak and no one can detect it.
Local needs to go, chat is ok but local as intel is crap and cloaking on non cloak specialized ships needs to be nerfed ( non cloaked spec. ship cant fit other than prototype and that one needs fuel, cap or something for example so is limited)
Ok that was basicly it sry for the textwall and hell yeah u can have my stuff when you can kill me bugger :P
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Tetsujin
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.07.28 15:20:00 -
[46]
wait wait wait you can buy isk?!
for real money?!!?
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tigress
Gallente
Genco
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.28 15:20:00 -
[47]
Oh, and for the record. I totally agree that cloaks in the current incarnation is pretty bad. Risk vs reward should be CCP's motto, and they seem to slack off.
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Del369
Caldari
Office linebackers
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.28 15:20:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Clean
Ok i normaly dont post much in this forum but this cloaking raven issue definetly has to be adressed !
I am roaming around in Scalding Pass, Wicked Creek and Insmother every day cuz my main target in eve is atm besides the goons to get as many of those isk farmers/sellers as i can
Wicked Creek alone has 30+ of em all working together getting supplied by haulers with torps. Its funny seeing peeps from Noobcorps, IAC, KOS, Goonswarm and Goonpets working together that close in the same systems with the same setups.
And Alliances like IAC or KOS lamely claiming they would just rip those farmers off is a poor lie. They offer standings so there is less risk for traveling and docking rights for ammo and fitting in exchange of some little money. Its a symbiouse of lameness no ripoff excuse works here.
I am specialized on those farmers but no matter how good and fast you are with the scanner it still works like this:
Jump load sys = 3 - 5 sec
Scan belts in average= 10 sec
Warp in average 20au (sometimes 1 sometimes 60+) = 10 - 15 sec
Lock target and or get in range = 2 - 5 sec
A raven on 0 speed to warp out max 20 sec
So u need to be very very quick and even than u need luck to get one ( thats for the average :P )
On 30 Ravens i try on i get one or two, 10 warp out when i come into the belt the rest is just on scanner until cloak
And this spending all playtime and focusing only on those suckers
Over 80% of those Ravens are for sure not making money to buy ships to pvp for thier alliance!
When u focus on making RL money via EVE u would be totaly stupid running missions.
Rattign in 0.0 is very much profit and very low risk. They are not alone but work in very organized teams.
They destroy the eve market additionaly to those marcominers with a lot of more isk input ! I have a list of over 70 ravens from just 3 Regions in the south ...i mean come on. I dont whine cuz my 0.0 life is to unfair i whine cuz it hurts me deep to see such a good game falling so deep with each user highpeak we had...who needs 30k players when the server lags out and 5k+ of those players dont play a game but focus on rl money on the expance of the peeps who actualy pay the game, cuz no isk farmer organization pays a single dime !
0.0 is not risk land where u need to teamplay with scouts and escortes,its a JOKE. Where every1 useing stabbed cloaked crap + logoffsky has allmost ZERO risk !
I do play eve for the pvp, eve is supposed to offer me this pvp when i search for it cuz this is what CCP shouts out loud where ever they can. So i spend my freetime to search for targets and try to get them ...now imagine you are a carebear (miner) warping into a belt where u scanned out some nice roids and over half of em are allready gone b4 you get visual and another 49% disapear right infront of your eyes cuz ur riods just loggoff cloak and such and all that is left is a 233 untis veldspar point ....hf.
Cloak is ok on ships like covops, stealthbombers and recons but come on a battleship or even something more like a capship can cloak and no one can detect it.
Local needs to go, chat is ok but local as intel is crap and cloaking on non cloak specialized ships needs to be nerfed ( non cloaked spec. ship can fit other than prototype and that one needs fuel cap or something for example)
Ok that was basicly it sry for the textwall and hell yeah u can have my stuff when you can kill me bugger :P
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Apparently CCP then unbanned their CEO
 Ding Ding
Originally by: Saladin
Edit: I never post disclaimers in any of my more contrversial posts because I think anyone who thinks I am speaking for anyone other than myself is a muppet anyways.
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Pandi
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.07.28 15:57:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Actually they're back in !
I just booted them out because they hadn't talked to me or paid in a week or so
Apparently CCP then unbanned their CEO so he could start paying again \o/
They have no effect at all on my losses from the imperial geddon (70+ bil) or IAC's loss of the egg (25 bil?)
They pay a decent amount, but it's nothing that spectacular or relevant in the greater scheme of things.
not suprising to me i have a lot of freinds in iac who tell what a downward sprial this guy is taking it. The way i hear a lot of iac is upset with the way he is running it. But on the other hand he is renting out HOSTILE space to this farmers and i find that kinda ammusing renting out space he has no control over. Plus we shoot busrew on sight lol.
http://sigs.griefwatch.net/?howto=1&kb=collect&template=stargaze&name=pandi |
Bakajarou
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Posted - 2007.07.28 16:00:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Bakajarou on 28/07/2007 16:01:37
Originally by: Tetsujin
wait wait wait you can buy isk?!
for real money?!!?
at least you tried it Goon ?!
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.28 20:53:00 -
[51]
Taking in downward spiral ? Your friends in IAC must be idiots, suggest you recruit them to your corp.
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BuIIseye
Amarr
Pax Amarria Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.28 22:21:00 -
[52]
So what about h-y corp?
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Yes i am hax0r
Because of the name I have a higher chance of a wrecking shot, please don't tell the GM's or they'll nerf me =/ |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.28 22:26:00 -
[53]
H-Y corp paid for 2 week trial period up front.
There have been some... Issues..... But they're really active fighting and dying in Querious and there might be benefits to being able to control where they farm, f.i. they've been forbidden NPCing in Catch.
Might keep them in just to save our closest allies from having them crapping up their space
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Del369
Caldari
Office linebackers
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.28 22:42:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Pandi
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Actually they're back in !
I just booted them out because they hadn't talked to me or paid in a week or so
Apparently CCP then unbanned their CEO so he could start paying again \o/
They have no effect at all on my losses from the imperial geddon (70+ bil) or IAC's loss of the egg (25 bil?)
They pay a decent amount, but it's nothing that spectacular or relevant in the greater scheme of things.
not suprising to me i have a lot of freinds in iac who tell what a downward sprial this guy is taking it. The way i hear a lot of iac is upset with the way he is running it. But on the other hand he is renting out HOSTILE space to this farmers and i find that kinda ammusing renting out space he has no control over. Plus we shoot busrew on sight lol.
Say ufw ? IAC's never been better m8, Internet Spaceships r us and all that, and we like the hippy, no really we do 
Originally by: Saladin
Edit: I never post disclaimers in any of my more contrversial posts because I think anyone who thinks I am speaking for anyone other than myself is a muppet anyways.
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EquitaS
Gallente
Office linebackers
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.28 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Talen Reaper
why do people / players buy isk ? ...its to get them high priced toys its the same in wow Or lineage 2 eq2 0r any other game were the toys make a deference ...maby ccp should increase the drop rate from all t1 crap to some of the better stuff every body wants
Well, maybe its because you can either npc for 50 hours or go to your real life work for 4 hours and then buy isk for the money you made, both ways you make 1b isk.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.29 00:02:00 -
[56]
MAKE CLOAKING USE FUEL (HEAVY WATER IS GOOD).
That is the only suggestion / objection I have to "farmers" (whatever reason they do it for).
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tigress
Gallente
Genco
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.29 00:50:00 -
[57]
Yup, make cloaking use fuel, and depending on mass..
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.29 01:06:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Dianabolic
MAKE CLOAKING USE FUEL (HEAVY WATER IS GOOD).
That is the only suggestion / objection I have to "farmers" (whatever reason they do it for).
Paging doctor TomB, obey your BoB masters sir !
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M Inger
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Posted - 2007.07.29 01:29:00 -
[59]
Edited by: M Inger on 29/07/2007 01:28:54
Oops
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Doc Br0wn
Caldari
11th Hussars
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Posted - 2007.07.29 01:31:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Clean
Poor BoB alt post waffle
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